Armenia terminates Turkey's full influence on South Caucasus

Turkey and Azerbaijan have long extended their hand for peace and friendship. Unfortunately, it is Armenia who wishes to live in the past history of hatred and war, and bloodshed. Armenians have committed many atrocities against Turks both in Turkey and Azerbaijan. But, apparently no one is interested to hear this as if the Turkish victims were an alien species from a different galaxy. This is verification for human ignorance!

Enough blood has been shed from both sides. It is time to move towards peace. Nagorno-Karabakh has never been a territory of Armenia. The Armenians living there cannot make Karabakh a territory of Armenia. In the same way Armenians living in France or America are no excuse to annex these countries to Republic of Armenia. Armenia with the help of Russians has also occupied other territories of Azerbaijan. Some suggest these are compensation for lost territories to Turkey! This is no rationality. If someone kidnaps my child I do not go and kidnap the neighbor’s child. I go to the police. The controversy about Ottomans deliberately massacring Armenians in thousands is a fabricated and lie by certain anti-Turkish groups for well-defined political reasons.

This is a historical matter that must be investigated internationally within academic corridors and not by the political parties, national parliaments and governments. Therefore, instead of this or that government issuing anti-Turkish statement I suggest that an international panel of independent historians who are academically well-established scholars with balanced views on Ottoman period be formed. The expert Ottoman historians who represent formal positions of Armenia and Turkey can also join the panel. The panel investigates all the existing historical documents and other artifacts for as long as it takes. The panel can have formal access to historical archives in all countries especially the countries involved. Turkey has taken a big step in this direction by opening the Ottoman archives.

Hayas wrote:

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OH MY!! My Jaw was open (REALLY!) when I was reading this. What else do they teach you?

What do you want to know?

Kazem Zarrabi wrote:

Turkey and Azerbaijan have long extended their hand for peace and friendship.

Could you provide examples of this "long extended their hand for peace and friendship." Just curious!
Regards17

Avagh! Abaranki me bes medz eir ou shkegh,
ou yes yerticnerout spidag gadaren,
asdghatzolan kishernerou luysin hed,
varen aheghavaz Yepradin gungentrei.

Artzounkov, artzounkov lesetzi
vor averag al averag
ko laynanisd badere irarou vera gordzanetzin.
Sarsapi or me, godoradzi or me,
or me arouni
ezkez yezerogh bardezin dzaggeneroun vera.

Ou mokhratzav ayn senyage gabouyd?
korkeroun vera yev vormeroun yedev
im yerchanig mangoutiuns ge hegchever,
yev gyankes gadjer,
yev hokis ir tevere garner.

Ouremen pshretzav ayn haylin vosgedzir?
voroun yeterayin khorhutiane mech,
yerazneres, huyseres, sereres, yev gamkes garmir,
Darinerov medadzumis hed tzolatzin.

Ou pagin mech yerkogh aghpuire merav?
Goderdetzan bardezin ourin yev tetenin?
Yev ayn arvage vor dzareroun mechen ge hoser;
Tamketzav? Ese oure? Tzamketzav, tzamketzav.

Vooh! Ayt vantagin gerazem hajakh,
voroun mech korshakouin gakaves aravodun,
Arevadzaki yev varti tuperu timatz,
zartnumi jamus hesdag oren ge gargacher.

Hayreni dun havada vor mahes hedo
ku averagnerut sevin vera
im hokis bidi ka
vorbes dadrag me darakir
ir tjpaghti yerkn ou artzounke lalu.

Paytz ov bidi pere, ov bidi pere ese?
Ko serpazan mokhiret ap me mokhir,
mahvanes ore im derdum takaghis mech
hayreniki yerkoghin im adjiunin kharnelu.

Ap me mokhir adjiunis hed hayreni dun,

Ap me mokhir ko mokhiret ov bidi pere?
Ko hishadaget,ko tzavet, ko antzialet,
Ap me mokhir im serdis vera tzanelou.

Adom Yarjarian

vatchakan wrote:

Avagh! Abaranki me bes medz eir ou shkegh,
ou yes yerticnerout spidag gadaren,
asdghatzolan kishernerou luysin hed,
varen aheghavaz Yepradin gungentrei.
Artzounkov, artzounkov lesetzi
vor averag al averag
ko laynanisd badere irarou vera gordzanetzin.
Sarsapi or me, godoradzi or me,
or me arouni
ezkez yezerogh bardezin dzaggeneroun vera.
Ou mokhratzav ayn senyage gabouyd?
korkeroun vera yev vormeroun yedev
im yerchanig mangoutiuns ge hegchever,
yev gyankes gadjer,
yev hokis ir tevere garner.
Ouremen pshretzav ayn haylin vosgedzir?
voroun yeterayin khorhutiane mech,
yerazneres, huyseres, sereres, yev gamkes garmir,
Darinerov medadzumis hed tzolatzin.
Ou pagin mech yerkogh aghpuire merav?
Goderdetzan bardezin ourin yev tetenin?
Yev ayn arvage vor dzareroun mechen ge hoser;
Tamketzav? Ese oure? Tzamketzav, tzamketzav.
Vooh! Ayt vantagin gerazem hajakh,
voroun mech korshakouin gakaves aravodun,
Arevadzaki yev varti tuperu timatz,
zartnumi jamus hesdag oren ge gargacher.
Hayreni dun havada vor mahes hedo
ku averagnerut sevin vera
im hokis bidi ka
vorbes dadrag me darakir
ir tjpaghti yerkn ou artzounke lalu.
Paytz ov bidi pere, ov bidi pere ese?
Ko serpazan mokhiret ap me mokhir,
mahvanes ore im derdum takaghis mech
hayreniki yerkoghin im adjiunin kharnelu.
Ap me mokhir adjiunis hed hayreni dun,
Ap me mokhir ko mokhiret ov bidi pere?
Ko hishadaget,ko tzavet, ko antzialet,
Ap me mokhir im serdis vera tzanelou.
Adom Yarjarian

how happy is she/he who says I AM TURKISH

Hard Turk wrote:

<quoted text>Do you never feel shame!Lying is more normal then normal speech for Armenian unblushing people?
There are few opinions on where the name Adana comes from.Of course non has got anything to do Armenian which was always small and dependent nation situated very far from Adana.
Some Armenian moved to Adana during Byzantine times and started to live with Arabs,Kurds,romans Turks living there.
In Homers iliada there are people called Danaans.
Their leader is Achilles(Read akilli)
Akilli means Clever in Turkish.
Adana was swamp area then.And there lived many water buffalo.In fact you could see many buffalos when I was a child.The Turkish for buffalo is Dana.See where the name comes from?You people always think in terms of near History.But throughout History Turks moved back and fro to Anatolia many times!
So Adana was a Turkish city right from the start.

turks are mongols they have nothing to do with adana it seems like you have already forgotten your history.

East Roman Empire did not allow Armenians to enter Istanbul till Turks took it. Tashnak terrorists killed 2 millions Turks with tsar's weapons, then Turks killed Armenians and exiled them to Syrian and Lebenon. This is the story. The problem is" armenians never say how many millions of Turkish women and children they killed.

If there is Armenian Bishop in Istanbul that is because of Turkish Tolerance in history,

If there are no Armenians in east Turkey, it is bacause of Turkish Revenge of 2 million innocets babies, women, the elderly as well.

We do not sound as much as Armenian Fasists in Europe, but Turks know very well how many Turks were killed by Armenian tashnaks. Every registration and proves is ready in archives but none of armenians want to read.

PeaceInTurkeyPeaceInWorld wrote:

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how happy is she/he who says I AM TURKISH

I do not see your point???

Ayhan Ozcimbit wrote:

East Roman Empire did not allow Armenians to enter Istanbul till Turks took it. Tashnak terrorists killed 2 millions Turks with tsar's weapons, then Turks killed Armenians and exiled them to Syrian and Lebenon. This is the story. The problem is" armenians never say how many millions of Turkish women and children they killed.
If there is Armenian Bishop in Istanbul that is because of Turkish Tolerance in history,
If there are no Armenians in east Turkey, it is bacause of Turkish Revenge of 2 million innocets babies, women, the elderly as well.
We do not sound as much as Armenian Fasists in Europe, but Turks know very well how many Turks were killed by Armenian tashnaks. Every registration and proves is ready in archives but none of armenians want to read.

u r just a brain washed turk how could small organization like dashnak kill civilians living in ottoman empire, ottoman empire was powerful those days, use your brain if there is any.

vatchakan wrote:

<quoted text>Take your foot out of your mouth before you speak.

...and shove it in yours??..just a thought!!

vatchakan wrote:

<quoted text>I do not see your point???

how sad is he/she who is starving in Armenia due to closed custom gate!

Ali T wrote:

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...and shove it in yours??..just a thought!!

I can believe that from you AliT. With your iron fist and all.I am glad you do not pretend to be otherwise.

PeaceInTurkeyPeaceInWorld wrote:

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how sad is he/she who is starving in Armenia due to closed custom gate!

I know that there are poor people everywhere, but it is worse to be poor of soul.

Kazem Zarrabi wrote:

Turkey and Azerbaijan have long extended their hand for peace and friendship. Unfortunately, it is Armenia who wishes to live in the past history of hatred and war, and bloodshed. Armenians have committed many atrocities against Turks both in Turkey and Azerbaijan. But, apparently no one is interested to hear this as if the Turkish victims were an alien species from a different galaxy. This is verification for human ignorance!
Enough blood has been shed from both sides. It is time to move towards peace. Nagorno-Karabakh has never been a territory of Armenia. The Armenians living there cannot make Karabakh a territory of Armenia. In the same way Armenians living in France or America are no excuse to annex these countries to Republic of Armenia. Armenia with the help of Russians has also occupied other territories of Azerbaijan. Some suggest these are compensation for lost territories to Turkey! This is no rationality. If someone kidnaps my child I do not go and kidnap the neighbor’s child. I go to the police. The controversy about Ottomans deliberately massacring Armenians in thousands is a fabricated and lie by certain anti-Turkish groups for well-defined political reasons.
This is a historical matter that must be investigated internationally within academic corridors and not by the political parties, national parliaments and governments. Therefore, instead of this or that government issuing anti-Turkish statement I suggest that an international panel of independent historians who are academically well-established scholars with balanced views on Ottoman period be formed. The expert Ottoman historians who represent formal positions of Armenia and Turkey can also join the panel. The panel investigates all the existing historical documents and other artifacts for as long as it takes. The panel can have formal access to historical archives in all countries especially the countries involved. Turkey has taken a big step in this direction by opening the Ottoman archives.

United planet, my foot!You are being blind.

Ayhan Ozcimbit wrote:

East Roman Empire did not allow Armenians to enter Istanbul till Turks took it. Tashnak terrorists killed 2 millions Turks with tsar's weapons, then Turks killed Armenians and exiled them to Syrian and Lebenon. This is the story. The problem is" armenians never say how many millions of Turkish women and children they killed.
If there is Armenian Bishop in Istanbul that is because of Turkish Tolerance in history,
If there are no Armenians in east Turkey, it is bacause of Turkish Revenge of 2 million innocets babies, women, the elderly as well.
We do not sound as much as Armenian Fasists in Europe, but Turks know very well how many Turks were killed by Armenian tashnaks. Every registration and proves is ready in archives but none of armenians want to read.

What are you talking about? Some of the Byzantine most famous and most succesfull emperors were Armenian or Half Armenians. Stop your lies...Please...

vatchakan wrote:

<quoted text>I can believe that from you AliT. With your iron fist and all.I am glad you do not pretend to be otherwise.

my honesty is standard..no pretending, no excuses,and tell it as it is..

Hayas wrote:

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What are you talking about? Some of the Byzantine most famous and most succesfull emperors were Armenian or Half Armenians. Stop your lies...Please...

who cares!!

vatchakan wrote:

<quoted text>I know that there are poor people everywhere, but it is worse to be poor of soul.

yeah...poor souls of armenians everywhere...

Ali T wrote:

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yeah...poor souls of armenians everywhere...

What does that mean?

Ali T wrote:

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who cares!!

We do!