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Moiz Qidwai
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
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Serkan wrote: <quoted text>
Hey Moiz, why did you betray the Ottomans, which was an Islamic state? Why did you side with the very-same British that now you curse on when they were trying to occupy Muslim lands, Mecca and Medina and while Turks were paying their blood not to let Christians occupy these lands? Why did you let British control Palestine? Yes, now we Turks left and the very-powers you sided with and betrayed Turkish people for never gave you the peace you looked for.
If you wanted Islamic state, you should not have betrayed Ottomans. If you wanted Arabic-nation state, we could just talk about it and dissolve Ottoman empire. But siding with Christians, following Lawrence, the British agent, as if he was a holy person (who was a Christian)?? Why?
You know, now we are in a different era. I don't hate Arabs. I like them. But always keep this in mind: We Turks will never forget what you have done to us in 1st World War. You taught us never to trust an Arab, even if he says he is your muslim brother. First of all let me tell you that I am an Indian Muslim working in Saudi Arabia, so most of your questions do not pertain to me. Indian Muslims never supported the betrayal of Arabs of the Ottoman Empire. But at that time India was under British rule. Indian Muslims did every thing what they could do to help turkey under the circumstances. They collected money for them, they sent medical missions and defended Turkish in Newspapers and every where they could. In fact it was a trick of British people to divide Muslim Nations and they succeeded in it. But the political mistakes of a few individual should not have resulted in Turkey turning its back to Islam and Muslims for all times to come. Empires come and Empires go, but Muslims remain the same. The actions of Ataturk to break Turkey from Islam and Muslim nations was an extreme step, which should have been protested by the Turkish people at large. Rest of your post is fill with hate for Arabs and is uncalled for. They were surviving for 4000 years, Oil or No Oil. They were the first herald of Islam and spread its light to all parts of the world. In our enmity, we should not go to the extremes and use caution. What I have seen, Turkey’s future is linked with Islam and Muslims and not with Christians and Secularism. The earlier Turks realize it the better it is for them.
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Serkan
Pittsburgh, PA
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Moiz Qidwai wrote: <quoted text>
First of all let me tell you that I am an Indian Muslim working in Saudi Arabia, so most of your questions do not pertain to me.
Indian Muslims never supported the betrayal of Arabs of the Ottoman Empire. But at that time India was under British rule. Indian Muslims did every thing what they could do to help turkey under the circumstances. They collected money for them, they sent medical missions and defended Turkish in Newspapers and every where they could.
In fact it was a trick of British people to divide Muslim Nations and they succeeded in it.
But the political mistakes of a few individual should not have resulted in Turkey turning its back to Islam and Muslims for all times to come. Empires come and Empires go, but Muslims remain the same. The actions of Ataturk to break Turkey from Islam and Muslim nations was an extreme step, which should have been protested by the Turkish people at large.
Rest of your post is fill with hate for Arabs and is uncalled for. They were surviving for 4000 years, Oil or No Oil. They were the first herald of Islam and spread its light to all parts of the world. In our enmity, we should not go to the extremes and use caution.
What I have seen, Turkey’s future is linked with Islam and Muslims and not with Christians and Secularism. The earlier Turks realize it the better it is for them. Hey Moiz, First of all, I know that Indian Muslims helped us, especially during our independence war. We appreciate that and we will always keep it in our hearts. That said, I have to say that it is not sthg respectable to declare me being "anti-Arabic". I am not anti-Arab. I have stated that in my earlier post. I would instead expect you to respond me rather than choosing the easy way of professing me as anti-Arab. I see that you advocate the system in Saudi Arabia. So, why not respond my points? Why not explaning why women cannot drive, or why people who want to convert to another faith are punished with dead penalty? Why non-believers are not free to live the way they wanna live? Why do they have to wear top-down even if they don't wanna do so? Why don't women have their civil rights? Why don't the country you praise produce sthg? I am not asking these questions because I have anything against Arabs. I am asking these because these are very valid points which you also know by your heart and that is why you are trying to avoid answering.
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Serkan
Pittsburgh, PA
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Moiz Qidwai wrote: <quoted text>
First of all let me tell you that I am an Indian Muslim working in Saudi Arabia, so most of your questions do not pertain to me.
Indian Muslims never supported the betrayal of Arabs of the Ottoman Empire. But at that time India was under British rule. Indian Muslims did every thing what they could do to help turkey under the circumstances. They collected money for them, they sent medical missions and defended Turkish in Newspapers and every where they could.
In fact it was a trick of British people to divide Muslim Nations and they succeeded in it.
But the political mistakes of a few individual should not have resulted in Turkey turning its back to Islam and Muslims for all times to come. Empires come and Empires go, but Muslims remain the same. The actions of Ataturk to break Turkey from Islam and Muslim nations was an extreme step, which should have been protested by the Turkish people at large.
Rest of your post is fill with hate for Arabs and is uncalled for. They were surviving for 4000 years, Oil or No Oil. They were the first herald of Islam and spread its light to all parts of the world. In our enmity, we should not go to the extremes and use caution.
What I have seen, Turkey’s future is linked with Islam and Muslims and not with Christians and Secularism. The earlier Turks realize it the better it is for them. Ataturk was not un-Islamic. He just set people free about their faiths. Do you know that more people pray God regularly in Turkey than the "Islamic" Iran? I have Iranian friends who have become anti-Islamic because of the oppression in their own country. They hate their system, they hate their government, yet they have to live with it. I don't think Prophet Mohammed would be proud of seeing the Arabic World so backwards if he could see these days. Arabs and Islam had a great civilization leading the World in the past. Europeans learnt numbers from Arabs. Harezmi invented the number zero. Al Cebir, due to his contributions to math, is the name father of English World Algebra. Algorith comes from Arabs. I am proud of these. But what now?? Idiocracy, backwardness, oppression, and you call all these the right regime!! I repeat, Prophet Mohammed, who was himself a revolutionary person, would not be very proud of how backward the Muslim lands have become after he died. We Turks never wanna be part of backward system of many Middle Eastern countries. We are the shining star among all muslim countries. You know why, because we had a great leader whose name was Ataturk, and because we are open minded and dynamic people who can adopt the changing World. Please consider what I have written. I would be pleased to see S. Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt and all the Muslim lands prospering. There is nothing wrong with giving women some more freedom, respecting science and mind, respecting other people even if they do not share your faith. This is what Islam is, and when you do that, people will wanna learn about the beauty of our religion. Then, we Turks will be proud to say that we share the same religion as you. Best wishes..
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Moiz Qidwai wrote: <quoted text>
I think brother, you really do not understand what Muslim is and what Secularism stands for? Otherwise you would not have said that I am Total Muslim and Total Secular. That is the misconception people , who have no real knowledge about Either Islam or so called Secularism.
Islam means surrendering your will to Almighty God and live life as per His Instructions given in Quran and Sayings of prophet. The teachings of Quran and prophet are as modern as anything and have complete flexibility to adjust to varying situations. But there are limits and you cannot break those limits and still be a Muslim.
A Secular on the other hand, does not recognize any higher power in making the law. He thinks, humans or Parliaments are Sovereign in making laws. They have full powers to make any law and their laws have superiority over every other law, irrespective of whether it is mentioned in Quran and Sayings of the prophet.
Tell me, how can you be a True Muslim and True Secular at the same time? If you say so, then either you are a hypocrite or do not understand the meanings of Muslim or Secular.
You are wrong that to be modern, you have to become secular. This is a misconception which is propagated by the Western Media. Because in Christianity there is no other choice but to become secular. Their religion is incomplete and has no directions for many areas of life.
Islam is a complete code of conduct. It is the media propaganda, which have demonized Islamic laws as inhuman and against progress.
Most of so called Muslim or Islamic countries have real Islamic governments. Their leaders are in control of Western Powers and their leaders. That is why you see people and Government are following different paths.
Let me say, the same is true for Turkey also. The people like Islam and Islamic teachings, the Government is bent upon to stop it. dont teach me about Islam and secularism as an arab citizen. I insist on that Islam needs to be modernized. State cannot have religion. Turkey is not an Islamic state but its citizens are MOSTLY muslim. state should be objective. state cannot make pressure on daliy lives of citizens. thanks ataturk we can live in secular way while doing our worship.
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Moiz Qidwai
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
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PeaceInTurkeyPeaceInWorld wrote: <quoted text>
dont teach me about Islam and secularism as an arab citizen. I insist on that Islam needs to be modernized. State cannot have religion. Turkey is not an Islamic state but its citizens are MOSTLY muslim. state should be objective. state cannot make pressure on daliy lives of citizens.
thanks ataturk we can live in secular way while doing our worship. If Islam has to be modernised, then there is a need of a fresh prophet. There are lots of "Modern Prophets" going around in the worls. If you are not happy with them, you should try your own mission. But if you want to live and practice like a Muslim, you will have to support your views from Quran and sayings of the prophet. Islam is more modern than what you could ever think of. It is your misconception that free sex and homosexuality and treating men and women as exact equals is a modern thought. These are as old evils as the humans race. These are not new ideas, these are same old issues but put in a new bottle to confuse the less knowlegeables. I am an Indian citizen working in Saudi Arabia, so I am not an Arab Citizen. But in Islam the country of your birth or your race or your language has no advantages for or against you. Let us discuss the issues and not engage in verbal fights with each other.
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Serkan
Pittsburgh, PA
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Islam does not need to be modernized. If one manages to separate the backwards Arabic culture from Islam, then there won't be any need to modernize anything.
All evils of today's muslim countries come from backward Arabic culture.
Prophet Mohammed, peave be upon him, was a revolutionary person who did all he could to modernize the backwards Arabic people who lived in deserts, who had no respect to women. Arabs were burying their first born female babies to sand. They were killing each other in blood feuds. Rich Arabs were marrying many women. They were bringing slaves from Sudan, modern Ethiopia. They were covering their women top-down, not letting them have any social status.
Then, Prophet Mohammed came, peace be upon him. He tried to bring some freedom to his people, tried to forbid slavery, give some rights to women.
When he died, the dirty Arabic culture prevailed. Islam was not enough to modernize these backwards people.
And when Arabs thought Islam to Turks and Persians, they exported their dirty culture to us as Islamic. We, unfortunately, acquired not only Islam, but also their mistreatment of women, and their language.
Ataturk brought Turkish people back to what they are. We got rid of Arabic words from our language. We have given women the rights they deserve, even before Europeans did it in their own countries.
We Turks are Muslims, but we are not Arabs. We never want to be Arabs. Arabs have an inferior culture. I pity Arabic women. Poor Arabic women tortured by their men.
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SHIRO
New York, NY
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Serkan wrote: Islam does not need to be modernized. If one manages to separate the backwards Arabic culture from Islam, then there won't be any need to modernize anything.
All evils of today's muslim countries come from backward Arabic culture.
Prophet Mohammed, peave be upon him, was a revolutionary person who did all he could to modernize the backwards Arabic people who lived in deserts, who had no respect to women. Arabs were burying their first born female babies to sand. They were killing each other in blood feuds. Rich Arabs were marrying many women. They were bringing slaves from Sudan, modern Ethiopia. They were covering their women top-down, not letting them have any social status.
Then, Prophet Mohammed came, peace be upon him. He tried to bring some freedom to his people, tried to forbid slavery, give some rights to women.
When he died, the dirty Arabic culture prevailed. Islam was not enough to modernize these backwards people.
And when Arabs thought Islam to Turks and Persians, they exported their dirty culture to us as Islamic. We, unfortunately, acquired not only Islam, but also their mistreatment of women, and their language.
Ataturk brought Turkish people back to what they are. We got rid of Arabic words from our language. We have given women the rights they deserve, even before Europeans did it in their own countries.
We Turks are Muslims, but we are not Arabs. We never want to be Arabs. Arabs have an inferior culture. I pity Arabic women. Poor Arabic women tortured by their men. " All Evil (harms) to islam and to Muslems comes from Arab customs and traditions" Excellent ! I give YOU AAAAA+++. to point out that , few people are intelligent enough to be able to seperate Religion from customs and tradition of the society ,often are mixed and made into one.
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noteverybodysfri end
Varna, Bulgaria
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Serkan wrote: <quoted text>
And your system in your country is absolutely piece of shit. Is it Islamic not to let women drive? Is it Islamic that women do not have any civil rights? Is it Islamic to punish someone with dead penalty because he converts to some other religion?
What will your country do when you run out of oil? How will you feed your people? You have no technology, you don't produce anything, you don't have proper education, you do not create anything. And then how come your "Islamic" state works fine and Turkey's secular system is wrong? We have no oil but we export 130 billion dollar worth goods each year.
A person should live Islam as a person. Trying to impose what you believe in on all people using government IS NOT ISLAMIC. Go, pray yourself. Fasten in Ramadan. Cover your head if u wanna. But forcing others to do the same, that is insane. That is not humane.
I am not an admirer of West. I know how many of them are hypocrites and racists. But don't forget that they created the technology. The very-internet that you now use, the electricity that powers your PC, that is West's invention. Islam is not having-to live in Medieval times. If u wanna do sthg for Islam, show people that being Muslim does not contradict being humane, civilized, and upholding science and rationality. Then people will respect Islam, try to learn it, and will wanna be Muslims. By not letting your women drive or cutting peoples' head, you earn no hearts. I admire you for your strong and honest words!!! Indeed. I am born christian and I also do not like the 'Western standarts' as you call them. If you are turk, you should know very well that there is a 'west' and 'other west'. Same as for europeans there is an 'east' and other east'..It is very pity and sad that guys like this gent from saudi Arabia does not make a simple difference between far west and west. For blind people like him everything which is west of his house, is west. He still lives in 7th century. Even not in 10th century, the years of the Golden Islam. I have said it before, and I shall repeat it - what the Crusades did in the past, the same the radical islamic organisations are doing now. Idiotic things for sure. There is nothing bad in keeping family values and traditions and I also admire this. And finally, whether one understands 'the prophet' or not, is not that a major issue - We have one God and nothing can change this!!!!! We may try to ignore people who do not believe, or live by the rules (believe me they are not so different), but doing this by killing other people is definitely not islamic or christian.
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noteverybodysfri end
Varna, Bulgaria
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Ersel wrote: Hi all,
I am the one who immigrated to Turkıye ın 1989.So it means that I am a Turk of Bulgaria.It is so easy to talk on any subject from miles away.Let me make your confused mind clearer.
Almost 450.000 Turks immigratde to Turkiye in 1989.So have you any postulates or info why that people immigrated to Turkıye even they were born there and had been living since 1600.May be all you inform me and make me learn my own history.
Turks of Bulgaria never had a activity against Bulgarıa and we all still love Bulgaria.cos.it is our motherland.And I thınk that there is no any state which had been founded to make comfortable forigners and to guarantee their rights.Bulgaria tried to to assimilate Turks of Bulgaria changing our Turkish names with Bulgarian names and we did nothing against it was so sımple it was their own country and they could live as they wish,I just respect.We did't try to shoot any or we had no guns holdin against Bulgarians.If you don like what you see you better go on.And we did it.
So where were Kurds while other nations were trying to found a country.Or why were Armenians so weak that they became subject of a genocide.Yes I accept we did it but not in different way that any other nation did.
Armenians tried to kill Turks to get land and they were unable.It is so simple if Armenians were enough they would kill easily many Turks.So we are not stupids to let any to kill us.You are waiting for an excus what we won.I can assure you that it is going to take much time.And it is always nice to win.
Hey men stop trying to shame on Turkiye but we do not really care about it,really.You do not think any you just dream.You all,the ones against Turkiye,offer us to let other nations to kill us.It is not logical.That the true history of the nations not imaginary history full with shit human rights.And if you want to really know much about Turks I advice you to read some on
Gallipoli Wars.
email:ersel_ozgur@hotmail.com Ersel, I had a girlfriend (Bulgarian turk) which had to leave because of her parents. Believe me (well you know it very well)- not normal Bulgarian was happy with what happened; however you should know that unfortunately Turkish people, which were working for the Communistic Governemnt did not leave the country, but stayed and now they stole all the real estates and money of their former compatriots. You should also know that Kemal Ataturk was half Bulgarian half Turkish and he was clear on how we should live. Re the Gallipoli wars - as I lived in London for 7 years - I was surprised to see that some nation (some people call it western nation, altough there is western and western)- the english one has attacked Turkey and now they remember their dead ones on that day... And if you consider the geographic location - where is England and where is Gallipoli?? What are people from the Atlantic Ocean doing in Gallipoli and what they have been doing in Crimean peninsula before??? I am not taking side for the Armenian or Kurdish or Turkish rights, hovewer there is at least one thing for sure - it has been local conflict or dispute between neighbours. Paratroopers form the Atlantic or across the Atlantic have nothing to do with wares on the Balkans...
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noteverybodysfri end
Varna, Bulgaria
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Moiz Qidwai wrote: <quoted text>
If Islam has to be modernised, then there is a need of a fresh prophet.
There are lots of "Modern Prophets" going around in the worls. If you are not happy with them, you should try your own mission.
But if you want to live and practice like a Muslim, you will have to support your views from Quran and sayings of the prophet.
Islam is more modern than what you could ever think of.
It is your misconception that free sex and homosexuality and treating men and women as exact equals is a modern thought.
These are as old evils as the humans race. These are not new ideas, these are same old issues but put in a new bottle to confuse the less knowlegeables.
I am an Indian citizen working in Saudi Arabia, so I am not an Arab Citizen. But in Islam the country of your birth or your race or your language has no advantages for or against you.
Let us discuss the issues and not engage in verbal fights with each other. Moiz, I am born Christian, namely Ortodoxal Christian. I had many chances to learn and study islamic culture and religion, and I can tell you ortodoxal Christianity and Ortodoxal Islam does not differ so much. May be you are blinded but what you see on the TV and as you call it 'western media'. It is not like this. I have lived in western Europe and the problem there is not that people are catholics or christians - the problem there is that they DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD. The problem there is that they believe in money only. Under what I have been told as a christian, women and men are not equal. Homosexuality is a sin and such people must be punished even when they are still alive; not to mention about their punsihment after death. Free sex is a sin; living with somebody without marriage is a sin; living with somebody when you have wife or husband is also a sin. I have to tell you that in places, where the bad 'western' influence has not taken possession, altough we do not kill sinners, we always find ways to exile them form the village they live, together with their lovers. Believe me, I saw the same in Greece this summer - on the island called Patmos - a guy (doctor) has found a lover, and in 2 weeks he was forced to sell everything and leave the island in shame. It is about in what you believe and how you believe. Whether you pray 5 times a day compulsory or 10 times a day because you want it - you still pray and worship same God. If you pray the money, you sell your mother, sister, your traditions, nation, everything. I have personally seen rich people from Qatar (or Katar - dont know how to spell it) paying and using Russian prostitutes after drinking - it is called double standards. In Saudi Arabia you have seen rich people selling oil and enjoying the 'western goods'- does it make sense? I say - no. So, instead of blaming somebody for not being muslim 'on papers', try to admire the God obeying ordinary people. Greetings
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noteverybodysfri end
Varna, Bulgaria
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Moiz, my friendiii,
sorry if I can't spell it well, but these might be useful
Sura Ancabut 466;
3.199
Quran 5.48; 5.82
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As I said, in both religions, one does not have to be necessarily christian or muslim to see God; and one day people will be re-united....
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Serkan
Pittsburgh, PA
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Ersel wrote: Hi all,
I am the one who immigrated to Turkıye ın 1989.So it means that I am a Turk of Bulgaria.It is so easy to talk on any subject from miles away.Let me make your confused mind clearer.
Almost 450.000 Turks immigratde to Turkiye in 1989.So have you any postulates or info why that people immigrated to Turkıye even they were born there and had been living since 1600.May be all you inform me and make me learn my own history.
Turks of Bulgaria never had a activity against Bulgarıa and we all still love Bulgaria.cos.it is our motherland.And I thınk that there is no any state which had been founded to make comfortable forigners and to guarantee their rights.Bulgaria tried to to assimilate Turks of Bulgaria changing our Turkish names with Bulgarian names and we did nothing against it was so sımple it was their own country and they could live as they wish,I just respect.We did't try to shoot any or we had no guns holdin against Bulgarians.If you don like what you see you better go on.And we did it.
So where were Kurds while other nations were trying to found a country.Or why were Armenians so weak that they became subject of a genocide.Yes I accept we did it but not in different way that any other nation did.
Armenians tried to kill Turks to get land and they were unable.It is so simple if Armenians were enough they would kill easily many Turks.So we are not stupids to let any to kill us.You are waiting for an excus what we won.I can assure you that it is going to take much time.And it is always nice to win.
Hey men stop trying to shame on Turkiye but we do not really care about it,really.You do not think any you just dream.You all,the ones against Turkiye,offer us to let other nations to kill us.It is not logical.That the true history of the nations not imaginary history full with shit human rights.And if you want to really know much about Turks I advice you to read some on
Gallipoli Wars.
email:ersel_ozgur@hotmail.com Ersel, my friend. Killing Armenians does not make it a genocide. Many people killed each other in history, and we can name only a few cases as genocide though. That is what I would tell. Armenians were looking for an opportunity to attack Turks. They thought 1st WW was the opportunity. And they did. During the war time where every son of Turkey was figting with the massive Britis-French armies, they attacked Turkish villages, killed people who were defenseless because the abled-men were all at war. Turks were infuriated by this. Young Turkish government was so angry like all Turkish people of Anatolia for this betrayal. And they decided the re-location (tehcir) law. Yes, many Armenians, including innocent ones died. But that does not make it a genocide. So, I advise you to distinguish between genocide and civil conflicts and massacres. Study some more. Don't throw around the word 'genocide' that easily before studying what happened in a cause-and-effect relationship chain. Germans killed Jewish people just because they were Jews. Turks have always been good neighbors of Armenians, and the civil conflict and animosity was two-sided.
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Moiz Qidwai
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
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Serkan wrote: <quoted text>
Hey Moiz,
First of all, I know that Indian Muslims helped us, especially during our independence war. We appreciate that and we will always keep it in our hearts.
That said, I have to say that it is not sthg respectable to declare me being "anti-Arabic". I am not anti-Arab. I have stated that in my earlier post.
I would instead expect you to respond me rather than choosing the easy way of professing me as anti-Arab. I see that you advocate the system in Saudi Arabia. So, why not respond my points? Why not explaning why women cannot drive, or why people who want to convert to another faith are punished with dead penalty? Why non-believers are not free to live the way they wanna live? Why do they have to wear top-down even if they don't wanna do so? Why don't women have their civil rights? Why don't the country you praise produce sthg?
I am not asking these questions because I have anything against Arabs. I am asking these because these are very valid points which you also know by your heart and that is why you are trying to avoid answering. Thanks for breaking the ice. I do not defend or practice Arab way of life. As a Muslim I (try to and defend) practice Islamic way of life. If you are a Muslim, then only authority for you are Quran and sayings of prophet. So I need not answer each of your questions, if you were a Muslim. I will and can answer if these questions were put forward by a Non-Muslim. For a Muslim my answer will be that those points which are confirmed by Quran and authentic sayings of the prophet should be accepted. Any practice for which we do not find clear instructions from Quran or from the prophet could be decided as per local custom or practice. Any practice which is against Quran and prophet’s sayings should be scrapped. This is the simple way in which any Muslim should think or act. Most of the problems in Muslim countries of today is that people do not follow true Islamic teachings. Islamic teachings are best and most suited to human nature. Opponents of Islam present Islamic teachings in distorted and horrible ways, so that less knowledgeable come into their trap. The idea of Secularism, i.e. separating state from religion is foreign to Islam. You cannot be a part time Muslim. When you go to mosque, you are Muslim, when you come out of it, you are free to do whatever you like. In mosque you read, Allah saying Usury is prohibited, Alcohol is prohibited, Homosexuality is prohibited etc and then you come out and start all these activities. This is hypocrisy and not Islam. These days most of the people are really hypocrites than real Muslims and this is the tragedy of our time. In Islam the right of law making for parliament is limited, it can only make laws only where Allah and His prophet have not decided the matters already. The parliament and Assembly work under the superior law of Quran and Hadith. That is why Western Secular model does not go well with Islamic and Muslim countries. This is a big topic, we can discuss it more if you like. Do not think that I believe that Turkish people are Non Muslims. How can I say that when I see many of them when they come for Hajj and Umrah. Turks are some of the most hard working people in Muslim countries. It is our enemies and bad political actions by some, who have put a barrier between us.
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Moiz Qidwai wrote: <quoted text>
If Islam has to be modernised, then there is a need of a fresh prophet.
There are lots of "Modern Prophets" going around in the worls. If you are not happy with them, you should try your own mission.
But if you want to live and practice like a Muslim, you will have to support your views from Quran and sayings of the prophet.
Islam is more modern than what you could ever think of.
It is your misconception that free sex and homosexuality and treating men and women as exact equals is a modern thought.
These are as old evils as the humans race. These are not new ideas, these are same old issues but put in a new bottle to confuse the less knowlegeables.
I am an Indian citizen working in Saudi Arabia, so I am not an Arab Citizen. But in Islam the country of your birth or your race or your language has no advantages for or against you.
Let us discuss the issues and not engage in verbal fights with each other. I still insist on modernization of Islam. We should give more importance to women. In Turkey, there is no important problem in this issue but the rest is catastrophic. your are in the wrong way. In islam there are important quotes for the freedom. Quran-ı Kerim is a quide. all the things are generally explained. Allah give us intelligence, its our business to choice whether going to hell or paradise. No pressure on this.
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Hard Turk
Adana, Turkey
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Moiz Qidwai wrote: <quoted text>
Thanks for breaking the ice. I do not defend or practice Arab way of life. As a Muslim I (try to and defend) practice Islamic way of life. If you are a Muslim, then only authority for you are Quran and sayings of prophet.
So I need not answer each of your questions, if you were a Muslim. I will and can answer if these questions were put forward by a Non-Muslim. For a Muslim my answer will be that those points which are confirmed by Quran and authentic sayings of the prophet should be accepted.
Any practice for which we do not find clear instructions from Quran or from the prophet could be decided as per local custom or practice. Any practice which is against Quran and prophet’s sayings should be scrapped. This is the simple way in which any Muslim should think or act.
Most of the problems in Muslim countries of today is that people do not follow true Islamic teachings. Islamic teachings are best and most suited to human nature. Opponents of Islam present Islamic teachings in distorted and horrible ways, so that less knowledgeable come into their trap.
The idea of Secularism, i.e. separating state from religion is foreign to Islam. You cannot be a part time Muslim. When you go to mosque, you are Muslim, when you come out of it, you are free to do whatever you like.
In mosque you read, Allah saying Usury is prohibited, Alcohol is prohibited, Homosexuality is prohibited etc and then you come out and start all these activities. This is hypocrisy and not Islam. These days most of the people are really hypocrites than real Muslims and this is the tragedy of our time.
In Islam the right of law making for parliament is limited, it can only make laws only where Allah and His prophet have not decided the matters already. The parliament and Assembly work under the superior law of Quran and Hadith. That is why Western Secular model does not go well with Islamic and Muslim countries.
This is a big topic, we can discuss it more if you like. Do not think that I believe that Turkish people are Non Muslims. How can I say that when I see many of them when they come for Hajj and Umrah. Turks are some of the most hard working people in Muslim countries. It is our enemies and bad political actions by some, who have put a barrier between us. So a country should do laws as Allah or prophet tells us? As far as I know Allah says the relatives of the deceased can forgive the Murderer.So we have to let the murderers go free? Do you know what this means to Zionists who has the world's money?They will kill anyone who opposes their plan to rule Saudi Arabia and they will buy the relatives! No wonder the Zionists are trying to spread Islam from NE Africa to SE Asia.That is the easiest way to rule the sheep like you! Moiz you are a disgrace to human reason!Bigot!
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PeaceInTurkeyPeaceInWorld wrote: <quoted text>
I still insist on modernization of Islam. We should give more importance to women. In Turkey, there is no important problem in this issue but the rest is catastrophic.
your are in the wrong way. In islam there are important quotes for the freedom.
Quran-ı Kerim is a quide. all the things are generally explained. Allah give us intelligence, its our business to choice whether going to hell or paradise. No pressure on this. The prime minister of Turkey will be woman when the albanians send mission to Mars
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Huko
Varna, Bulgaria
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Serkan wrote: <quoted text>
Ersel, my friend. Killing Armenians does not make it a genocide. Ha yeah! But killing 1,5 millions Armenians - well that's a genocide! Come on Mongols - recognise the genocide. Next stop is to recognise the Bulgarian genocide.
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Hard Turk
Kamisli, Turkey
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bugarin wrote: <quoted text>
The prime minister of Turkey will be woman when the albanians send mission to Mars The prime minister of Turkey, Tansu Çiller was a woman and had 2 children.That was 10 years ago,idiot
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Serkan
Pittsburgh, PA
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Hard Turk wrote: <quoted text>The prime minister of Turkey, Tansu Çiller was a woman and had 2 children.That was 10 years ago,idiot Don't mind him. He is an ignorant person.
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Moiz Qidwai
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
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noteverybodysfriend wrote: <quoted text>
Moiz,
I am born Christian, namely Ortodoxal Christian. I had many chances to learn and study islamic culture and religion, and I can tell you ortodoxal Christianity and Ortodoxal Islam does not differ so much. May be you are blinded but what you see on the TV and as you call it 'western media'....
.. So, instead of blaming somebody for not being muslim 'on papers', try to admire the God obeying ordinary people. Greetings Thank you brother for your kind words. I know real Christians and Real Muslims will be friends of each other and not enemies. In fact Quran in many places praises Christians and says that those closest to Muslims in love and understanding are those that say ‘We are Christians”? Quran praises Jesus, His mother Mary, His virgin birth, His Miracles, His mission and has many good things to say about his disciples also. So a real Muslim and a real Christian will not be each other’s enemy. In fact Quranic advice to Jews and Christians to practice their religion honestly. Only on the Judgment day God will decide between them as to their point of differences. If Jews followed their books, and Christians followed their books and Muslims followed their books, they will be supporting each other and not be enemies of each other. But we are living in a practical world and things do not happen ideally here. There are extremists on both side, that cause mistrust and enmity between the people. If Muslims, Jews and Christians only agree to the points that are common between all three religions, many of the misconceptions and wrong impression about each other will be removed. The world is in control of those, who do not follow any religion, they ridicule all types of religion. It is therefore utmost duty of all those who are sincere to their religions, to join together, to help each other to defend against this common enemy. I therefore appreciate your comments with open heart and want to extend my greetings of peace to you and your like minded people. Brother the references you are quoted are from Surah MAIDAH (# 5) and the verses are 47 & 82, SURAH ANKABUT verse # 46 is also on the same topic. There are many more verses in Quran on the same subject.
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