Turkish bank opens branches in Macedonia

Hard Turk wrote:

Istanbul Yalilari
Geliyor eyyam-i bahar
etmek ister Gest-ü Güzar
Sahra safhasi hosçadir
cana ferahtir asikar
seyir yerlerin bilelim
Zevk-üsefa eyleyelim
yali seyri müferrihtir
yalilari söyleyelim.....

tra la la
tra la la
geia sou Hard Turk
pustara.......

Hard Turk wrote:

<quoted text>Güfte onun degil eski

Eee? Neyi kanitliyor? Su paralardaki, fermanlardaki Konstantiniyye'ye noldu?
Yine mi siyonist, bop, soroscular vs?

Ay siktir Turk wrote:

<quoted text>tra la la
tra la la
geia sou Hard Turk
pustara.......

&#304;zmir'in daglarinda çiçekler açar
Altin günes orda sirmalar saçar
Bozulmus düsmanlar yel gibi kaçar
Yasa Mustafa Kemal Pasa yasa
Adin yazilacak mücevher tasa

&#304;zmir daglarina bomba koydular
Türk'ün sancagini öne koydular
Sanli zaferlerle dü&#351;mani bogdular
Kader böyle imis ey garip ana
Kanim feda olsun güzel vatana

&#304;zmir'in daglarinda oturdum kaldim
sehit olanlari deftere yazdim
Öksüz yavrulari bagrima bastim
Kader böyle imis ey garip ana
Kanim feda olsun güzel vatana

Peygamber kucagi sehitler yeri
Çalindi borular haydi ileri
Bozuldu çadirlar kalmayin geri
Yasa Mustafa Kemal Pasa yasa
Adin yazilacak mücevher tasa

Türk ogluyum ben ölmek isterim
Toprak diken olsa yatagim yerim
Allah'indan utansin dönenler geri
Yasa Mustafa Kemal Pasa yasa
Adin yazilacak mücevher tasa

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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@hard
thank God not all Turks are animals like you...

Makedonikos Agonas wrote:

@hard
not all Turks are like you...

Makedonikos,

You see that they are Turks and not FYRoMites. I have been trying to tell the forum for quite some time now that some of these FYRoMites who post here are Turks in disguise. I can tell because once you mention Turkey then they all come out of the woodwork. And in Cypriot forums you see FYRoMites who argue the Turkish point of view.

This is to all the Hellenes in this forum, if the name dispute is resolved, dont disappear. There are other issues like the Cyprus problem that need to be discussed.

Mia Zoi Ellada wrote:

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Makedonikos,
You see that they are Turks and not FYRoMites. I have been trying to tell the forum for quite some time now that some of these FYRoMites who post here are Turks in disguise. I can tell because once you mention Turkey then they all come out of the woodwork. And in Cypriot forums you see FYRoMites who argue the Turkish point of view.
This is to all the Hellenes in this forum, if the name dispute is resolved, dont disappear. There are other issues like the Cyprus problem that need to be discussed.

well you can never be sure with these people. unfortunately, dishonesty is a flaw I hate the most.

Hard Turk wrote:

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I love to smooth up your hole ( kefte ) sweetie

Kuzguna yavrusu sahin gorunur.
The raven sees its chickens as falcons.

Selim III wrote:

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Eee? Neyi kanitliyor? Su paralardaki, fermanlardaki Konstantiniyye'ye noldu?
Yine mi siyonist, bop, soroscular vs?

KonstantiniyEVET!!!
Istanbul H A I R!

spartan lacedaemonian wrote:

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The Turkish Casus Belli for that reason it is not serious because the Turkish Generals know that a good outcome of a possible War in Aegean Sea would be extremely difficult for them to achieve despite the "heroic" statements of Politicians and Hysteria that we see sometime from the other side of Aegean.
This is because the only thing Turkey could aim to achieve in that case is the blockade with its Ships of a big Greek Island in Eastern Aegean like Rhodes for instance and preventing Greek reinforcement to be sent there hence both sides supposedly go to the negotiations table with Turkey having an advantage according to this War scenario. All Turkish Generals know very well trust me (all analysts and military analysts and reporters confirm it )that this is an almost impossible task for Turkish Naval and Armed Forces to achieve for many reasons of War Tactics and Strategy in the difficult and demanding Sea of Aegean with other very good Armed and Naval Forces to defend it.

What I wrote was ‘’It will mean that all your problems with Turkey IS solved,’’ I did not say ‘’ It will mean that all your problems with Turkey WILL BE solved,’’
If you pay attention to that detail, you will understand what I meant.
Karamanlis made this point very clear in his various declerations. Greek State supports acession of Turkey to EU provided that the pending problems are already solved. He made it very clear.
Although there may be various contrary statements with in Greek Public (sometimes I read posts of Greeks who find him too passive ) IMO he has a very calm and clever policy when it comes to Turkish matters. He says ‘ We are good neighbours , we will wellcome you, but first solve your problems with EU,(and with usd as Greece is a part of it.)
This is neither calming, nor helping as you have mentioned. This is policy, a clever one..
When it comes to 6/12 miles;
12 nautical miles rights are given to the states in 1982 with United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Neither Turkey , nor USA has signed this agreement. So they are not bound with it.
And neither USA nor Turkey is likely to sign in near future. Because if Greek Territorial waters are increased to 12 miles, Aegean Sea will be all Greek national waters, and all ships will need a permission from Greek Gvmnt before passing these waters and sailing to Black Sea..
Turkey will never allow this, as all ships calling Marmara ports, Turkish Black Sea ports and even to some Turkish Aegean coasts will have to navigate through Greek natonal waters and will need a permision.
USA will never sign and allow this as their 6th fleet is always ready to sail to Black Sea where Russians have Access to Mediterranean and a considerable power of Russian Navy lies there.
In case 6th fleet needs to head for Black Sea (see Nato ships sailed for Georgia) and Greece does not allow the same with her known ties to Russia, the things will further complicate.
So I believe that any solution without leaving an international corridor in Aegean Sea will be allowed by Turkey and USA.
For any war scenerio;
IMO the case is far from an attempt to blockade some part of an Greek Island for show off. I am even not mentioning the destructive side effects of such an action on political and public fields.
It is also not about bullying , trying to scare some Islanders or training military pilots with hot weapons.
It is a vital issue of logistics and tactics.
When it comes to war scenerios, it is a fact that Greece invests a lot on its naval forces as well as Turkey does nowaday. It is also a fact that attack /defence loss ratio is 1 to 4 or 1 to 5. And even if I am aware of this reality, the strategists, intelligence services and generals of the army/navy must be living with these facts.

Hard Turk wrote:

Kadifeden kesesi
Kahveden gelir sesi
oturmus kumar oynar
ah cigerimin kösesi
Aman yolla Istanbul'a yolla
Aman yolla Beyogluna yolla
yolla yolla yar yolla

Dedim ya Milli sef yok, zilli tef var,
ister agla ister oyna
Hadi bakalim kocaoglan, goster bakalim kocakarilar hamamda nasil bayilirmis?

In what currency will those funky transactions go down? i have some old greek drachmas i need to offload.

spartan lacedaemonian wrote:

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Don't you think that Turkey is a divided even confused country on many issues already ?
Make up your minds, do you or do you not want to become a full member of EU? But this is not going to happen with your terms and your terms only i believe (so many Europeans and i have resources that prove that). Turkey wants to be treated as a "special case" as Turkish politicians always demanded.
But i am a bit confused with your post: what would you prefer Greece to do at this issue? Blocking and preventing Turkey from entering into EU as it did in the past? You know this don't you? Greece used to follow different Foreign policy towards Turkey 15 years ago and prevented Turkey from entering by imposing silent VETOS for a number of issues that had disagreement with Turkey. Turkish politicians always accused Greece by that time that this was wrong even unethical!
Greece at the late 1990's changed its policy and started to adopt different policy by lifting any VETO or any other objection for Turkey's entrance in EU but not necessarily for the reasons that you mentioned. Do not forget that Turkey is a wide market with prospects for Greek businessman too in many sectors like construction, metals and heavy metals, mining, trade, shipping, cruising, tourism, industrial sectors in general.
There are already 5 or 10 large Greek businesses operate mainly in the construction and mining field that have started profitable business operations in Turkey 10 years now. The ex-president of the Greek Industrial Commerce Board is one of them and his company employs hundreds of workers and creates multiplied economic effects to other sectors of Economy as well as many others.
So make up your minds what do you want from your lives! Greece should implement VETO to Turkey like France might do in future or follow the same policy as far as now?

I have already told you my views regarding the attitude of Greece for EU/Turkey relations in my previous reply so I think there is no need to repeat it here.

In my opinion ,states always act with tactics and rigid policies, stripped from any feelings. They do whatever is good for their benefits and long term policies. So Why would Greece impliment VETO to Turkey? What would be her benefit? To make a few fanatics happy ? I dont think so.. IMO The benefit of Greece passes from a policy by playing the EU card which pushes Turkey to feel obliged to create solutions for the pending problems between two countries.

France impliments VETO due to her reasons, mainly due to the fact that they have just understood their minorities is about to be a major problem (Paris uprising) and their demographics is changing very fast.(If I am not mistaken the minorities will become the majority ith in a few decades if they dont do something to stop it)

For making our minds up, Turkey is close to 80 million. Different voices are quite normal. Especially nowadays.We did not speak almost for 100 years, now everyone started speaking at the same time.

I am aware of greek investments in Turkey and most of us wellcome them. They are coming here for profit,investing drastically and taking their prize.. Money has no nationality. If they believed in a possible war in Turkey, they would definitely be investing to some other emerging market as big capital is never stupid..

Just my thoughts..

Hard Turk wrote:

Istanbul Yalilari
Geliyor eyyam-i bahar
etmek ister Gest-ü Güzar
Sahra safhasi hosçadir
cana ferahtir asikar
seyir yerlerin bilelim
Zevk-üsefa eyleyelim
yali seyri müferrihtir
yalilari söyleyelim.....

Very beautifull , must be belonging to the golden years of the Othman time

Agamemnon wrote:

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Fair enough. I meant friend in the context of this forum. We all deal with our issues in a way we see fit. Again though I reiterate that I have never insulted you nor asked that you behave in a certain way. All I ask is that you extend to me the same courtesy and nothing more.
If those turks that I regard to be sensible and straight with their discussions are being hypocritical or two faced, then more fool me and feel free to gloat. I personally feel its a risk worth taking in the absence of any other alternative. I am still a proud greek with a love for my country and my people.
I hope you find what you are looking for and my regards to you Dander.

Yassou.

Hard Turk wrote:

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Hata yaptigima degil seninle muhattap lmak zorunda kalmaya üzüldüm:
&#304;stanbul'dan Üsküdara Yol Gider
&#304;stanbuldan Üsküdara Yol Gider
Yol Gider Çavus Yol Gider
Han&#305;mlara Deste Deste Gül Gider
Gül Gider Çavus Gül Gider
Yandim Çavus Yandim Senin Elinden
Elinden Çavus Elinden
Çok Sallanma Kasatura Da F&#305;rlar Belinden
Belinden Çavus Belinden
&#304;stanbulla Üsküdar&#305;n Arasi
Arasi Çavus Arasi
Yakti Beni Kaslarinin Karasi
Karasi Çavus Karasi
&#304;stanbuldan Üç Mum Aldim Yakmaga
Yakmaga Çavus Yakmaga
Yakip Yakip Yar Yüzüne Bakmaga
Bakmaga Çavus Bakmaga

Bu sacmaliga gorede senin sky turkler bogazkoprusunu 2000 sene once yapmislar,
Yada konyadan hiyarin biri akli sira istanbulu bildigini kanitlamak icin Gonyalilara hava olsun diye zirvalamis.
Kelek Hardo da bilimsel kanit diye tef elinde, calkaliyorda calkaliyor.
Assagidan Hardo Assagidan
Hoppaaa, yallahhh

Hard Turk wrote:

<quoted text>Güfte onun degil eski

Yahya Kemali bilmeyen Turke suruyum.

both Turkey and FYROM are not democratic countries! That's why they can not become members of EU!

Havlayan kopek isirmaz.

aRMENIAS KEEP BARKING.

Hello friends.. is still greek presence here making everybody nervous or they learn that cannot be assholes all time?( even is it so hard for them -i'll say imposible to be normal)
If somebody here post a topic "Snow falls from the last year an its colour analyze.." we should expect greek to jump like Marvel Comics Heros and kill us everybody screaming "this is greece snow, we invented, death to all!!!"
?
hmm. maybe.. snow is really greek?