Tonga - Most PhD per capita - So What?

MOST Ph.Ds - Awesome to hear! But what has that done for Tonga?

Honestly ask yourself - With The amount of Doctorate degrees Tonga has, Has it LIFTED THE STATE OF LIVING IN TONGA?

Yes?...No?...How?....Where?

In my opinion - Its VERY hard to see any improvement. Every trip to my beautiful Kingdom I see a part of its beauty and culture deminish.

The answer should be YES!!!.

But actually it's a NO and that is caused by the current SYSTEM.

There must be a system revolution!

Unless the monarch rule changes the system the Kingdom will be run down to Nothing!

The people need to demand the change continously.

I feel so sorry the kingdom and THE PEOPLE - everytime I go back it has less for the people and more for certain people.

ipouono wrote:

There must be a system revolution!
Unless the monarch rule changes the system the Kingdom will be run down to Nothing!
The people need to demand the change continously.
I feel so sorry the kingdom and THE PEOPLE - everytime I go back it has less for the people and more for certain people.

Don't worry that's life especially for the "CONDOM of Tonga na'e tuku ki Langi" hahaahha!!!!, that's Manu'an (Samoan) way of life bahahahah!!. You are RIGHT! only if it is SYSTEMTICALLY ("scientific" to be step by step) witzzzzzzzz wiuuuuu

Hey!!!, ipouono will you meet me either Leimatu'a or ????? ONLY if you come Xmas holidays?

The system that you want to change is the system that create those PHD!!
So what would you like change?
Would your system work better?
Have you done it before?

houmapolo wrote:

<quoted text>Don't worry that's life especially for the "CONDOM of Tonga na'e tuku ki Langi" hahaahha!!!!, that's Manu'an (Samoan) way of life bahahahah!!. You are RIGHT! only if it is SYSTEMTICALLY ("scientific" to be step by step) witzzzzzzzz wiuuuuu
Hey!!!, ipouono will you meet me either Leimatu'a or ????? ONLY if you come Xmas holidays?

Hey I'd Love to meet you! Actually any1 here aye?? Im not coming to tonga this xmas we will be down sth of Nz for xmas. I will be in tonga for 3days in January 2010 for Hon. Kalaniuvalus wedding then I have to be back in NZ for the Siu'a'alo nationals here in Cambridge, NZ. I was actually born in Neiafu. LOL Are you on Facebook or bebo?

Moana-a-Maui wrote:

The system that you want to change is the system that create those PHD!!
So what would you like change?
Would your system work better?
Have you done it before?

Thats a good proposal for discussion.

And good questions to consider.

For me, I dont think the current system has anything to do with the Ph.Ds that have been produced?
Proof of this would be, the number of PH.Ds recieved outside of Tonga with those who identify themselves as Tongans!
Put that against the numbers of international/scholarship students from Tonga that have recieved Ph.Ds - It is very low!! In which case those getting Ph.Ds the most has been family orientated rather than Tonga govt/system produced.
If the current system was producing most of the Ph.Ds, All govt and educational departments would have a clear occupation turn over rather than the one person sitting in a position for 40years?? LOL Where is the desire or drive to improve in those cases?
It would be good for the current system TO ALLOW changes and proposal to happen. Otherwise, Its like playing snakes and ladders:

You go so high, then you go down the snake back to square one again. Proposal for changes is just the luck of the dice? You might get to the end? maybe not?? The BIG question is, Who is making up the rules for the Board game???

The current system is the result of thousand of years of existence in Tonga through cultural development of rulers with various ways of administering order and prosperity of our little tiny country

Pre European contact it was a powerful dynasty..with control North as far as Tikopia and Uvea to Samoa etc

Late 1880's a Country with a Consitution ( 1875) unique in the World that allow us to avoid colonisation with US determenining which path to take according to US ...

Education started by missionaries expanded by Government...

The greatest expansion was by Taufa'ahau Tupou 1V when he was the Minister of Education....aiming that all Tongan will all have the opportunity to be educated....building of Primary School (PS) in which all in the country will have access to...

Establishment of the Teachers College to provide teachers for the expanding PS..when there were not enough teachers..Untrain Teacher (UT) were employed till the have the opportunity to go to Teachers college. In the early days people with Lower Leaving Certicate was employed..

In those days if a child of school age is not at school the School Inspector will be looking for those and parent was resposible if kids don't go to school

The result was that Tonga had among the highest literacy rate in the World 99.8%

Tonga High School was established late 1940's still by Tupou1V..so the top brain in Tonga are educated in the NZ syllabus to SC level ( Form5) then continue in NZ for UNI Entrance or colleges

Scholarship was given to those that help serve the country such as Doctors, Nurses, Engineers, Teachers....they return to work in Tonga to serve the people they were trained in warious dicipline for...

The result is now Tonga have the second Highest PHD's per capita in the worlds

Those of US who was educated in Tonga to High School level then have a choice if we want an education overseas to do it ourselves...just like any private sector..its up to US

In the US,you pay for your own Edu unless you have a Scholarship from someone, so is Australia & NZ they have student loans..and work or parent help to go to UNI

In Aust what has been found that the Lower socio-economic are left out from the opportunity to higher Edu as they can't afford it...

What is your Yard-stick to measure the output of the current System...The UN Human Developmnet Index (HDI)...Tonga is the best in the Pacific even comparing Fiji and Samoa we are doing far better then them ..Tonga HDI is same level as Developing country

So what are we going to change...

In Autralia the Indigenous people ( maybe same in US & NZ).. is a total disaster,,socially education & economic...as the European have tried almost everything such as assimilation etc etc

The system we are in in these country..we are mere spectator..are we going to transplant these System to Tonga..as we think its better...will it work

Or we Develop our own System that we know & managed

We are so GOOD at being CRITICAL...but are we good at coming up with Solution..???

If we can'y do it ourself..then maybe it will not work

If we have something take it to Tonga and do it..

Tonga definately need help!!! BUT the ONE that will Work

UMMM, Yeah..After all that??

First of all, You cant compare Tonga to other countires that ARE NOT being ruled by their own indigenous people.eg NZ and AUST, US etc..

2nd. 1940s to pre European days is UNRELATING to this era?? and current system and rule.

Scholarships?? those given to the professions you mentioned - are they in a position to make decisions by govt means?? LOL of course NOT! they're at a desk somewhere in Tonga??[if theyre lucky]

My point is PEOPLE WANT TO IMPROVE TONGA!!!! THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS NOT LETTING THEM!!!! simple!!!!

There's no nonsense quoting history B.S and stats??

It might have looked good a little then?? BUT clearly its not working NOW!

EVERYTHING you have said! IN THE PAST! TONGA can do better NOW!! LET TONGA DO BETTER!!

How can people go to tonga and try everything!!..and still NO... Its no wonder people are getting fustrated?! AT the End..ONLY TONGA AND PEOPLE OF TONGA LOSE OUT!

You said 2nd most PhDs per capita? Whos the 1st? I thought Tonga was?....LOL

Mahalo 'oku sai ange ke vale 'a Tonga kae Moui 'AE TONGA.

ipouono wrote:

MOST Ph.Ds - Awesome to hear! But what has that done for Tonga?
Honestly ask yourself - With The amount of Doctorate degrees Tonga has, Has it LIFTED THE STATE OF LIVING IN TONGA?
Yes?...No?...How?....Where?
In my opinion - Its VERY hard to see any improvement. Every trip to my beautiful Kingdom I see a part of its beauty and culture deminish.

WEll shut your trap.... I think that Tonga learns something new everyday... but you.... you need to go and get a life!!! State of living in Tonga deals with the Politics not the Smart people.... Tongans are very smart (besides the BLOODY KING) ohh and i forgot.... YOU!!

ipouono wrote:

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Hey I'd Love to meet you! Actually any1 here aye?? Im not coming to tonga this xmas we will be down sth of Nz for xmas. I will be in tonga for 3days in January 2010 for Hon. Kalaniuvalus wedding then I have to be back in NZ for the Siu'a'alo nationals here in Cambridge, NZ. I was actually born in Neiafu. LOL Are you on Facebook or bebo?

HEyyy if u from my mothers land of VAva'u then why u mocking your culture and tradtions and the smart people of TOnga!! If you are Tongan then act it dont try and be a white person or some random AFRICANNN person cause when u born in TOnga u show your PRIDEEE!!!! u usi lemu tapali!!

ipouono wrote:

UMMM, Yeah..After all that??
First of all, You cant compare Tonga to other countires that ARE NOT being ruled by their own indigenous people.eg NZ and AUST, US etc..
2nd. 1940s to pre European days is UNRELATING to this era?? and current system and rule.
Scholarships?? those given to the professions you mentioned - are they in a position to make decisions by govt means?? LOL of course NOT! they're at a desk somewhere in Tonga??[if theyre lucky]
My point is PEOPLE WANT TO IMPROVE TONGA!!!! THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS NOT LETTING THEM!!!! simple!!!!
There's no nonsense quoting history B.S and stats??
It might have looked good a little then?? BUT clearly its not working NOW!
EVERYTHING you have said! IN THE PAST! TONGA can do better NOW!! LET TONGA DO BETTER!!
How can people go to tonga and try everything!!..and still NO... Its no wonder people are getting fustrated?! AT the End..ONLY TONGA AND PEOPLE OF TONGA LOSE OUT!
You said 2nd most PhDs per capita? Whos the 1st? I thought Tonga was?....LOL
Mahalo 'oku sai ange ke vale 'a Tonga kae Moui 'AE TONGA.

Fakaofa pe e tonga ipouono ho'o pehe'i

xxMekkixx wrote:

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HEyyy if u from my mothers land of VAva'u then why u mocking your culture and tradtions and the smart people of TOnga!! If you are Tongan then act it dont try and be a white person or some random AFRICANNN person cause when u born in TOnga u show your PRIDEEE!!!! u usi lemu tapali!!

What THE HELL ARE YOU GOING ON ABOUT???? WHOS MOCKING???YOU clearly dont understand what the post is about!!!

YOUR MOTHER'S LAND???? WHO THE FUCK IS YOUR PEASANT MOTHER!!!!

NOT ONLY WAS I BORN THERE IN VAVA'U BUT I VISIT 6 TIMES A YEAR WITH EDUCATION AND MEDICAL SUPPORT!! FROM MY OWN MONEY AND COMPANY!!

This is what makes one proud of their country - to see it develop DUMBASS!

WHO is trying to be white??? YOU better go back to you"MOTHER" and ask her what you say in public before you start speading your Crap.

This is the last time Im talking to YOU TIME WASTER!!!!

what the wrote:

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Fakaofa pe e tonga ipouono ho'o pehe'i

I LOVE TONGA WITH ALL MY HEART 'What the'. I will never stop giving to 'Her'.

ipouono wrote:

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What THE HELL ARE YOU GOING ON ABOUT???? WHOS MOCKING???YOU clearly dont understand what the post is about!!!
YOUR MOTHER'S LAND???? WHO THE FUCK IS YOUR PEASANT MOTHER!!!!
NOT ONLY WAS I BORN THERE IN VAVA'U BUT I VISIT 6 TIMES A YEAR WITH EDUCATION AND MEDICAL SUPPORT!! FROM MY OWN MONEY AND COMPANY!!
This is what makes one proud of their country - to see it develop DUMBASS!
WHO is trying to be white??? YOU better go back to you"MOTHER" and ask her what you say in public before you start speading your Crap.
This is the last time Im talking to YOU TIME WASTER!!!!

I dont give a shit about how you visit Vava'u.... but the way you talk about tongans shows us that oku ke sio la'lo ki he kau tonga.... fk kakau ho atamai tenga ka tuku a ho ngaue aki ho tungaiku ke alu o tata ae lemu moe usi oe kakai e niu sila he koe uhi.... there is gonna be a day teke hange ae kakai i SOMALIA!!

LMAO- TiME WaSTER - NOT WORTH MINE

ipouono wrote:

MOST Ph.Ds - Awesome to hear! But what has that done for Tonga?
Honestly ask yourself - With The amount of Doctorate degrees Tonga has, Has it LIFTED THE STATE OF LIVING IN TONGA?
Yes?...No?...How?....Where?
In my opinion - Its VERY hard to see any improvement. Every trip to my beautiful Kingdom I see a part of its beauty and culture deminish.

It's great to hear this good news, that Tonga has the most PHDs but I was just wondering. Where are they? Do the majority live in Tonga? I have travelled quite a bit here in the U.S. and I only know of 4..tokoua 'oku na faifekau honau siasi, one is unemployed & the other one 'oku o holo mo hono tokoua 'o ngaue 'iate.

If the King was not that corrupt, these educated people would be in a better position. The ambassadors sent to work in other countries, I'm pretty sure they're all related to the king. What I'm trying to say is that... ko hai ia 'e mole lahi hono taimi he ako a'u ki he PHD 'e fie foki 'o ngaue 'i Tonga kapau 'oku te 'ilo'i 'oku kaka'i pe me'a kotoa..kuo 'osi totonu ke fili 'ehe kakai honau fkfofonga,'ikai tonu ke to e fai 'ai ha nopele ta'efa'elu pea 'ikai tonu ke to e 'i ai ha mafai e tu'i ki hono fili e kau minista mo e fklele e fonua..tuku e me'a kotoa ke fai he kau fkfofonga 'oku fili 'ehe kakai pea ka 'oku 'ikai fai lelei honau fatongia, pea 'ai mo ha founga ke lava 'o replace nautolu kapau ko e taimi fili hoko 'oku fu'u mama'o ki hano fili ha fkfofonga fo'ou. Ko e 'ilo ko e he kau fkfofonga 'oku depend e me'a kotoa mei he'enau ngaue lelei,taukei ngaue mo e poto he fkkaukau'i e me'a ke langa hake 'a tonga, tenau feinga leva ke fai honau lelei taha ke fklakalakaange e nofo but if all is dictated by the corrupt king, then tonga will always be defined as corrupt...& having the most PHDs won't do much for the country.

liia wrote:

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It's great to hear this good news, that Tonga has the most PHDs but I was just wondering. Where are they? Do the majority live in Tonga? I have travelled quite a bit here in the U.S. and I only know of 4..tokoua 'oku na faifekau honau siasi, one is unemployed & the other one 'oku o holo mo hono tokoua 'o ngaue 'iate.
If the King was not that corrupt, these educated people would be in a better position. The ambassadors sent to work in other countries, I'm pretty sure they're all related to the king. What I'm trying to say is that... ko hai ia 'e mole lahi hono taimi he ako a'u ki he PHD 'e fie foki 'o ngaue 'i Tonga kapau 'oku te 'ilo'i 'oku kaka'i pe me'a kotoa..kuo 'osi totonu ke fili 'ehe kakai honau fkfofonga,'ikai tonu ke to e fai 'ai ha nopele ta'efa'elu pea 'ikai tonu ke to e 'i ai ha mafai e tu'i ki hono fili e kau minista mo e fklele e fonua..tuku e me'a kotoa ke fai he kau fkfofonga 'oku fili 'ehe kakai pea ka 'oku 'ikai fai lelei honau fatongia, pea 'ai mo ha founga ke lava 'o replace nautolu kapau ko e taimi fili hoko 'oku fu'u mama'o ki hano fili ha fkfofonga fo'ou. Ko e 'ilo ko e he kau fkfofonga 'oku depend e me'a kotoa mei he'enau ngaue lelei,taukei ngaue mo e poto he fkkaukau'i e me'a ke langa hake 'a tonga, tenau feinga leva ke fai honau lelei taha ke fklakalakaange e nofo but if all is dictated by the corrupt king, then tonga will always be defined as corrupt...& having the most PHDs won't do much for the country.

Sad But True. Merry Christmas!! GoD BLeSS you and Your Family :)

liia wrote:

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It's great to hear this good news, that Tonga has the most PHDs but I was just wondering. Where are they? Do the majority live in Tonga? I have travelled quite a bit here in the U.S. and I only know of 4..tokoua 'oku na faifekau honau siasi, one is unemployed & the other one 'oku o holo mo hono tokoua 'o ngaue 'iate.
If the King was not that corrupt, these educated people would be in a better position. The ambassadors sent to work in other countries, I'm pretty sure they're all related to the king. What I'm trying to say is that... ko hai ia 'e mole lahi hono taimi he ako a'u ki he PHD 'e fie foki 'o ngaue 'i Tonga kapau 'oku te 'ilo'i 'oku kaka'i pe me'a kotoa..kuo 'osi totonu ke fili 'ehe kakai honau fkfofonga,'ikai tonu ke to e fai 'ai ha nopele ta'efa'elu pea 'ikai tonu ke to e 'i ai ha mafai e tu'i ki hono fili e kau minista mo e fklele e fonua..tuku e me'a kotoa ke fai he kau fkfofonga 'oku fili 'ehe kakai pea ka 'oku 'ikai fai lelei honau fatongia, pea 'ai mo ha founga ke lava 'o replace nautolu kapau ko e taimi fili hoko 'oku fu'u mama'o ki hano fili ha fkfofonga fo'ou. Ko e 'ilo ko e he kau fkfofonga 'oku depend e me'a kotoa mei he'enau ngaue lelei,taukei ngaue mo e poto he fkkaukau'i e me'a ke langa hake 'a tonga, tenau feinga leva ke fai honau lelei taha ke fklakalakaange e nofo but if all is dictated by the corrupt king, then tonga will always be defined as corrupt...& having the most PHDs won't do much for the country.

Yeah!!!, it's the SYSTEM. The system is monarchical, the PhDs seems alienated unless they are favourable by the "SYSTAMU", hahahahahaha!!!!! and that's why there's a wondering of how come Tonga is the #1 PhD per capita in the world.

ipouono wrote:

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Sad But True. Merry Christmas!! GoD BLeSS you and Your Family :)

Merry Christmas to you too