why do tongans wear samoan tatoo?

Poly KING wrote:

<quoted text>very interesting. So is it only Chiefs or Matai allowed to get the pe'a? and why does some Samoan women have it? some sort of ranking or status? please elaborate... malo

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A-L-K wrote:

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After reading and re-reading, I dont think i took "Tradition" out of context. I kept the two clearly separated to illustrate my points."Then and Now"...
Then: A meaning of true tautua to ur Title, whether it be an ali'i or tulafale. The Pe'a sustained that mana.
Present: Hierloom and decoration

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Christina E E wrote:

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Well after re-reading the final time you should've understood that what you think and what I know is two different things.....
The late Tongan scholar Epeli Hau'ofa once said that "what is it that we're trying to preserve of our culture if it is tweaked with so much western influence?". He believed that traditions were NOT of the old but made up of new changes that came with time. Indigenous is where he believed the essence of REAL culture comes from. In saying that I believe you're using the word "traditional" in the wrong context as there's so many things to think about and take into account when it comes to aganuu ma le FaaSamoa. You know this, I dont have to relay it to you. However the latter part of your first post makes total sense. Time is change.

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A-L-K wrote:

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If ur trying to nit-pick at the choice of words i choose Dont! Cause contrary to popular opinion, what u know and What i think doesnt matter. U and I r not Scholar's. U may have had a few semesters of learning at ur University, Iv,e had 3/4 of my life entangled in my Fa'asamoa (meaning no disrespect to what fa'asamoa u know)! And i "think" i havent even begun to scratch the surface YET!(Samoa ose i'a e 'ivi'ivia). So if ur trying to teach from that, I suggest u stick with Toa on how u raise issue's with him....Im not ur huckleberry!!! Tradition is Tradition...when twisted, it no longer is!
Pratice vs learning from a book r two different things. And with the saying: "u cant judge a book by its cover"? Its only from there point of view. As in Black like me...changing to black and being black r two different things....U can never understand the struggle unless u lived it....as for me and my interpretation, im content with what ive seen!

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Christina E E wrote:

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Nit-pick? Your choice of words and what I know of both those words are two different things. DON'T take offense to that. I think you already know I've more than a few semesters under my belt to know what Im talking about ALK, but if you're going to continue to use the word "tradition" so be it. And maybe I'm not affluent in the knowledge of my Fa'aSamoa, boil that down to MY choice not anyone else's, but believe you me I've served well in both worlds and I know EXACTLY what both means to ME. So skite your little life away on how good you are at your Fa'aSamoa- I really couldn't give two shits at least I know Im content with expanding my knowledge on wider issues. If they don't interest you-thats fine, but dont think you can get away with saying all that you've said with a smirk on your face which no doubt right now has a scar of worry on it....

A-L-K wrote:

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After reading and re-reading, I dont think i took "Tradition" out of context. I kept the two clearly separated to illustrate my points."Then and Now"...
Then: A meaning of true tautua to ur Title, whether it be an ali'i or tulafale. The Pe'a sustained that mana.
Present: Hierloom and decoration

ulelahi wrote:

alk and c ee U 2 should get together and have a good long fai and kaimanu each others, coz ur just arguing for the sake of winning with no real content. I don't see any from both of your komomenes. Really guys, what's the use of your gibberish talks?.
Why not be useful and share what you have found that may have been artificially induced into our traditions, you can only learn our true heritage by actually living it with complete awareness.

Indecent wrote:

When Palagi's DISCOVERED SAMOA, one thing stood out was the Black paint on their bodies from the waist down to their knees...so that makes majority of Samoans pre-Palagi days CHIEFS...=) or did the culture/Fa'aSamoa change with time and limited it to chiefs ONLY

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Poly KING wrote:

<quoted text>Your analogy of then and now is kind of what I was thinking the situation is now...
So from a Samoan's point of view, and the differing reasons of then and now? Would you still consider both Faa Samoa? and the current reason of these tattoos are part of the evolving cultures and traditions that happens in all groups?

Indecent wrote:

When Palagi's DISCOVERED SAMOA, one thing stood out was the Black paint on their bodies from the waist down to their knees...so that makes majority of Samoans pre-Palagi days CHIEFS...=) or did the culture/Fa'aSamoa change with time and limited it to chiefs ONLY

Poly wrote:

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Yeah im surprised that the palagi's didnt pick that up when they discovered Tonga more than a hundred years earlier in 1616...:/

Poly wrote:

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Yeah im surprised that the palagi's didnt pick that up when they discovered Tonga more than a hundred years earlier in 1616...:/

Poly KING wrote:

<quoted text>trying to be palangi and trying to comprehend a complete sentence in proper English for one to understand are two different things. Don't use the "fia palagi" card on me, just because you suck at grammar... LOL

mango salsa wrote:

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what is this class, your the teacher. Writing on this forum u no need be expert on grammar u dum ass come on when people tex they ain't checking grammar only you. K den u understand Usi. The topic is tattoo now focus!!!

Poly KING wrote:

<quoted text>i beg your pardon?? LOL