Jehovah's Witnesses followers detained in Tajikistan

Peace be to all Tajik people.

It saddens me to read of incidents like these in Tajikistan.

It threatens the fundamentals of freedom that are afforded all of humanity - that of the freedom to exercise thought, conscience, and religion.

Why does it "sadden" you, and who gives a shit what you think?

"Free" exercise of religion doesn't apply across national lines. You deny the right of the Tajik government to ensure the stability of its' people's religion. You are an ideological imperialist, just like the Jehovah's, and that's why they were detained -- and it's what stokes the fire of Islamic fundamentalism.

Christians need to leave Tajikistan, and all Central Asian nations, alone. If they weren't aliens preaching an alien faith, maybe they wouldn't be in hot water. Ever think of that, genius from Tex-ass?

You can whine about "fundamental freedom afforded to all of humanity" -- the first right, the first freedom, is national defense. Without national defense there is no other freedom. Your kind seeks to destroy the defenses of Muslim nations. You preach your Jesus and "freedom" and "women's rights", which you say come before all.

What comes before all is race and the capacity of a race to defend itself against just such lying self-righteous devilry as your kind has always practiced.

Why does it "sadden" you, and who gives a shit what you think?

"Free" exercise of religion doesn't apply across national lines. You deny the right of the Tajik government to ensure the stability of its' people's religion. You are an ideological imperialist, just like the Jehovah's, and that's why they were detained -- and it's what stokes the fire of Islamic fundamentalism.

Christians need to leave Tajikistan, and all Central Asian nations, alone. If they weren't aliens preaching an alien faith, maybe they wouldn't be in hot water. Ever think of that, genius from Tex-ass?

You can whine about "fundamental freedom afforded to all of humanity" -- the first right, the first freedom, is national defense. Without national defense there is no other freedom. Your kind seeks to destroy the defenses of Muslim nations. You preach your Jesus and "freedom" and "women's rights", which you say come before all.

What comes before all is race and the capacity of a race to defend itself against just such lying self-righteous devilry as your kind has always practiced. Your kind is an international disease. You want "peace", but only your kind of peace. "Freedom", but only your mawkish Christian freedom.

Peace be not unto you. Strife be unto you eternally, Christian.

Thanks for the reply!

Ideals, social mores, and moral consciences are what shape societies.

Without these, how can people achieve to become better? To improve? To learn? To progress?

Even if you put religious freedoms aside, think of terms of freedom of conscience and thought (which, by the way, are Universal Declarations of Human Rights).

To deny individuals the freedom of conscience and thought is tantamount to crimes against humanity.

Ever think about that, genius from “floor-DUH?”

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You say the first and priority freedom is "national defense."

True, but "national defense" and freedom of religion, thought, and conscience are not opposing dichotomies.

Yes, call me an “ideological” nut and what have you.

But, I refuse to believe that the Tajik culture is intolerant and bigoted. I simply refuse!

I refuse to think that the Tajik are incapable of affording these freedoms to their citizens. I simply refuse!

I challenge the Tajik government and the Tajik people to become Heroes.

To become Heroes and Champions of “inalienable” human rights.

These very rights traverse boundaries – rights that include your free exercise of thought, conscience, and religion.

"Even if you put religious freedoms aside, think of terms of freedom of conscience and thought (which, by the way, are Universal Declarations of Human Rights)."

You invoke this universal declaration of human rights as though it were the word of a god. I tell you there are no gods and no rights but those enforced by the political authority of a nation. Obviously the Tajik authority, which is more powerful than your universal declaration"s" of human rights so long as the latter has not the American military to enforce it, does not recognize such foreign declaration as extending to Western Christians seeking to alter the national character of its subjects, the Tajik folk. Obviously it has more "right" to determine said character than your kind. Your kind needs grandiose abstractions like "declarations of human rights" to cover your need to dominate other peoples with your ideals and social mores. Your kind no longer has the will to do so nakedly. You do so under cover of "peace" and "one world" rhetoric. Without that rhetoric, you wouldn't care about what's going in Tajikistan at all.

"To deny individuals the freedom of conscience and thought is tantamount to crimes against humanity."

That may be, but clearly certain nations, particularly Islamic, still feel that crimes against the national psychology and race are of much greater consequence than this abstraction you call "humanity" and crimes there against. And as they are Tajik and you are not, Tajik national law is at issue, not the fulsome Swiss doctrines you hide behind to dodge responsibility for the cultural interferences wreaked upon others by those in the grip of Christian missionary ideology.

"Ever think about that, genius from “floor-DUH?&#822 1;"

I'm not from FL.

"True, but "national defense" and freedom of religion, thought, and conscience are not opposing dichotomies."

Eh. So many abstractions. You let yourself ignore that Tajik is a nation of Muslims. You have no rights there. You are illegal. You lose. Got it?

"But, I refuse to believe that the Tajik culture is intolerant and bigoted. I simply refuse!"

You needn't stomp your foot. Tajiks themselves are certainly not intolerant or bigoted. They would gladly listen to you obnoxious gnatlike christer busybodies all day long. Many Tajiks are atheist from decades of Soviet cultural interference. Others will still fall to the ground facing Mecca. Only the very weakest will take up your creed. Because yours is a creed of the weak -- the old, the vaginal, the stupid, the dying. The point, however, is that it is not the Tajik people that decides the law, it is the Tajik government. The government says Christians aren't allowed to proselytize. Christians do anyway and are rightly clapped into prison. You can pretend that this is an awful "crime against humanity" not seen since "Auschwitz", as all such things are conflated today, or you can accept that in the end your "universal rights" won't apply in some corners of the Earth. Which, of course, belies the very notion of a "universal rights", nothing more than moralistic "universaling" of the exhausted European soul.

"I refuse to think that the Tajik are incapable of affording these freedoms to their citizens. I simply refuse!"

Ok. You can sit at the front of the bus.

"I challenge the Tajik government and the Tajik people to become Heroes."

The Tajik government challenges one, first, to obey their laws when one is a guest in their country. I think that's reasonable. Why don't you? perhaps because we of the West have become desensitized to the invasion and exploitation of our lands by those our elites have welcomed? perhaps because whites are so used to reading their will into existence itself and casting this moralistic pall over all the peoples of the world -- a spectacle in which those peoples are, in most respects, only too happy to play along?

But you see: they have limits. Usually those limits are religion and sex. Christians and crusading leftists ignore just these two limits and make crossing them their mission in life.

"To become Heroes and Champions of “inalienable&#82 21; human rights."

Westerners are in fact aliens in Tajikistan. Clearly, then, Western notions of "right" are not only alienable but VOID once a visa is stamped, the guest enters Tajikistan and flouts the local laws. You remind the local authority of your alienness precisely in yapping self-righteously about "inalienable universal human rights". You do this because you have no national will of your own. Christianity and the leftist postmodern metanarrative have taken it from you and replaced it with this phony universalism which you ignorantly visit upon a foreign government attempting to safeguard the character of its people. You would find this admirable if you had anything to care about in the character of your people -- if you even had a people. But you do not.
Anyway, no one but your own white, self-righteous kind is impressed by your mawkish blather about "heroes" and "champions". Guess what? The world isn't an installment of 'Rocky'. They don't hang balloons on mailboxes when their children are murdered by black savages and they don't stand in circles, hold hands and pray for salvation, or weep and say firefighters and mercenaries are "heroes". They don't care. It isn't them. Try to get that through your head.

"These very rights traverse boundaries"

Yes, because Westerners have a bad habit of traversing boundaries to preach their bullshit to gullible natives. Anyway, pomo sprach like "traverse boundaries" is no argument. It's just white people hiding their lust to rule in ecumenical rhetoric.

Marshall Lentini wrote:

Why does it "sadden" you, and who gives a shit what you think?
"Free" exercise of religion doesn't apply across national lines. You deny the right of the Tajik government to ensure the stability of its' people's religion. You are an ideological imperialist, just like the Jehovah's, and that's why they were detained -- and it's what stokes the fire of Islamic fundamentalism.
Christians need to leave Tajikistan, and all Central Asian nations, alone. If they weren't aliens preaching an alien faith, maybe they wouldn't be in hot water. Ever think of that, genius from Tex-ass?
You can whine about "fundamental freedom afforded to all of humanity" -- the first right, the first freedom, is national defense. Without national defense there is no other freedom. Your kind seeks to destroy the defenses of Muslim nations. You preach your Jesus and "freedom" and "women's rights", which you say come before all.
What comes before all is race and the capacity of a race to defend itself against just such lying self-righteous devilry as your kind has always practiced.

Marshal, are you saying tajiks have different moral values than you or Westerners. Of cause if you don't believe in God it make sence to say so, however, deep inside of you you know there is God. And that is why moral values are universal. If you were just bunch of chemicals you would not run such smart talk around anyway. Appreciate your messages though.
Thank you!

"Marshal, are you saying tajiks have different moral values than you or Westerners. "

I'm saying Westerners are vampires. Get lots of garlic.

" If you were just bunch of chemicals you would not run such smart talk around anyway."

Mm. Because it's impossible to go from 'chemicals' to 'smart talk', everyone knows.

"Marshal, are you saying tajiks have different moral values than you or Westerners."

He's saying that morality = hogwash. And that the very existence of particulars refutes universalism.