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May 10, 2008

Disgusting Burmese generals stick their names on aid boxes as gifts from them

Burma's military regime has plastered boxes containing international relief supplies with the names of top generals.

State-run television continuously showed images of the country's top generals -- including Senior Gen. Than Shwe, the junta's leader -- handing out boxes at ceremonies.

The junta has so far refused to allow foreign experts to deliver aid to assist their country, ravaged by Cyclone Nardis, saying it will only accept donations and then take responsibility for distribution.

"We have already seen regional commanders putting their names on the side of aid shipments from Asia, saying this was a gift from them and then distributing it in their region," said Mark Farmaner, director of Burma Campaign UK. "It is not going to areas where it is most in need," he said in London.

Richard Horsey, who speaks for the United Nations' humanitarian operations, said international organizations are needed to examine the logistics of getting help into the Irrawaddy delta, the worst-hit area. "That's a critical bottleneck that must be overcome at this point," he said in Bangkok. Burma's government has only a few dozen helicopters and almost no transport plane capacity.

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Prem kitaasa
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What a big issue, sticking on a label onto food! Wow, maybe we should stop the aid because the Generals are getting credit for it. What nonsense to report!
Do you, as a consumer, reject food articles or toys etc basically made in China or the Far East and then packaged in the US by a reputable packaging company label and sold in a reputable store thereby boosting their monopoly and profitability. The answer would be no.
This is not the first regime to take credit for the work of others:
US took credit for the topple of Saddam Hussein, when in fact it was the work of the United nations that disabled him by seizing his 38 missiles in the name of world opinion...and then allowed the US to walk in.
Most of the so-called terrorists captured in Pakistan etc are credited to the US via their "war on terror"
Most others, captured elsewhere, using foreign resources, were sent to US custody giving more credit to the US war on terror.
So what's the big deal!
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Prem kitaasa wrote:
What a big issue, sticking on a label onto food! Wow, maybe we should stop the aid because the Generals are getting credit for it. What nonsense to report!
You seem to have missed the very point of this article. The generals are than having the aid distributed to their supporters as gifts AND NOT TO THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT. If you cannot see that this is a problem than all I can say is WOW…

Let me give you a clue… all nations agree that the distribution of disaster relief is to be gone free of any political overtones. It is against all human decency and probably treaties signed by the government to be doing this.
Prem kitaasa wrote:
Do you, as a consumer, reject food articles or toys etc basically made in China or the Far East and then packaged in the US by a reputable packaging company label and sold in a reputable store thereby boosting their monopoly and profitability. The answer would be no.
Ok, companies enter into legal contracts with manufactures.. The contracts spell out the rights of the buyers to put labels, etc on the products. Those are normal business practices. Most products do have labels on them telling where they are made… it might even be required by law if I recall correctly that at least the country of origin must be displayed. But the rest of the labeling is based on contracts that all parties agree to.

Those who give the money and material goods for relief efforts do not make any such agreement… they do not give anyone the right to take the relief they give and to use it for political gain.
Prem kitaasa wrote:
This is not the first regime to take credit for the work of others:
US took credit for the topple of Saddam Hussein, when in fact it was the work of the United nations that disabled him by seizing his 38 missiles in the name of world opinion...and then allowed the US to walk in.
Most of the so-called terrorists captured in Pakistan etc are credited to the US via their "war on terror"
Most others, captured elsewhere, using foreign resources, were sent to US custody giving more credit to the US war on terror.
So what's the big deal!
What you say here is nonsense… but again you cannot tell the difference between….

1) Relief aid being used for political gain
2) That people who give their money for relief aid do not agree to it being used for political gain of petty tyrants.

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I recall the U.S.A.I.D. bags of rice labeled, "Donated by the USA", for sale in the Saigon's markets.

So this is a market based way to distribute aid.
Unless it spoils food will be eaten and medical supplies are only useful for the intended purpose.

As corrupt practices go in much of the world this one is minor.

These Generals are doing what politicians do when they take from some and give to others for favor, and support.

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Conner wrote:
I recall the U.S.A.I.D. bags of rice labeled, "Donated by the USA", for sale in the Saigon's markets.
So this is a market based way to distribute aid.
You are right that this has happened to some of the aid that has been given in every case.
In Somalia the war lords stole the aid and even killed UN aid distributors if they resisted handing it over. The war lords of course allowed the people to starve.
In Ethiopia, when I was a child, similar things happened. All cash was taken by those in charge for their personal enrichment. The food and other aid was either destroyed or given to those who were in good favor with the gov. The government caused the famines… they were not about to feed the millions they were purposely starving to death.
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Unless it spoils food will be eaten and medical supplies are only useful for the intended purpose.
As corrupt practices go in much of the world this one is minor.
These Generals are doing what politicians do when they take from some and give to others for favor, and support.
And this is why, as awful as it is to see those people suffer, we should not give to Burma. Any aid we give will only prop up the gov. It will not save the lives of those who were hit directly by the disaster. So if they are going to starve or die of deceases in any case, why waste for money and resources?
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NO AID should be given without UN or other outside observers to see to it that the aid is given to the People and not to prop up the filthy insane Generals.
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PLEASE DO NOT HELP MY COUNTRY without Foreign observers.
Sending aid without outside observers means encouraging the junta. All ASIAN members are excluded from the respectable outside observers list. The junta will share some of the aid to the people only for the show and almost all will be for them & their soldiers. Soldiers need to starve to fight back. The one way out is when they start killing each other within the junta. Please don't feed the regime.
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Burma Girl wrote:
PLEASE DO NOT HELP MY COUNTRY without Foreign observers.
Sending aid without outside observers means encouraging the junta. All ASIAN members are excluded from the respectable outside observers list. The junta will share some of the aid to the people only for the show and almost all will be for them & their soldiers. Soldiers need to starve to fight back. The one way out is when they start killing each other within the junta. Please don't feed the regime.
I AM SORRY FOR YOUR COUNTRYMEN. THEY ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, ONLY THE VICTIM'S OF CORRUPT LEADER'S!
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Burma Girl wrote:
PLEASE DO NOT HELP MY COUNTRY without Foreign observers.
Sending aid without outside observers means encouraging the junta. All ASIAN members are excluded from the respectable outside observers list. The junta will share some of the aid to the people only for the show and almost all will be for them & their soldiers. Soldiers need to starve to fight back. The one way out is when they start killing each other within the junta. Please don't feed the regime.
My heart and sympathies go out to you and your people.

As for the junta... may the rot in hell.

I agree with you completely. It's a hard stance to take but it is obvious that any help we give will only be used for the wrong reasons. The UN and the Red Cross/Red Crescent just need to back off on this too.
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Is this any better than sick generals ?

Invade fromt he new World order?

Is It Time to Invade Burma?By ROMESH RATNESAR
Sun May 11, 10:30 AM ET

The disaster in Burma presents the world with perhaps its most serious humanitarian crisis since the 2004 Asian tsunami. By most reliable estimates, close to 100,000 people are dead. Delays in delivering relief to the victims, the inaccessibility of the stricken areas and the poor state of Burma's infrastructure and health systems mean that number is sure to rise. With as many as 1 million people still at risk, it is conceivable that the death toll will, within days, approach that of the entire number of civilians killed in the genocide in Darfur.

So what is the world doing about it? Not much. The military regime that runs Burma initially signaled it would accept outside relief, but has imposed so many conditions on those who would actually deliver it that barely a trickle has made it through. Aid workers have been held at airports. U.N. food shipments have been seized. U.S. naval ships packed with food and medicine idle in the Gulf of Thailand, waiting for an all-clear that may never come.
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Real Deal Politics huh?

You must be a real hard core pacifist. Guess what, sometimes force is the Right answer because it is the lesser of two evils.

These Generals must die.
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We sent them billions after those 2 tsunamis. That money disappeared. They couldn't even put a cheap siren on a pole to warn their people of the cyclone. Let them die. Paradise is running dangerously low on virgins, and it will save us a lot of time and ammo in the future.
Praise be to allah.
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Bob wrote:
We sent them billions after those 2 tsunamis. That money disappeared. They couldn't even put a cheap siren on a pole to warn their people of the cyclone. Let them die. Paradise is running dangerously low on virgins, and it will save us a lot of time and ammo in the future.
Praise be to allah.
They are mostly Buddhists, not Muslim.
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But the leaders are mosty muslim, not buddhists. So it's a wash. No pun intended
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Bob wrote:
But the leaders are mostly muslim, not buddhists. So it's a wash. No pun intended
They are? You might be mixing them up with the junta in Thailand which had a Muslim leader.

In Myanmar, I believe the generals are Buddhist. Well they pretend to be anyway:

Myanmar junta, fearing monks' protests, demonstrates fealty to Buddhism
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/12/asi...
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