Mainland, HK sign expanded economic accord

I thought the China mainland is going to "liberrate" Hongkong because HK was under UK's capitalist can not do better than Communist :)

Taiwan is missing out this kind of opportunities.

We have not seen goods Made in Taiwan for a long time in this part of the world. Many of their products are coming into the US as Made in Mexico. But they are in the process of vanishing too. Even with the low transportation cost from Mexico to the US is much less, Taiwan's products labelled Made in Mexico are not able to compete with products Made in China in quality and in advanced technology.

Taiwan is missing out opportunities.

Andrez Lopez wrote:

Taiwan is missing out this kind of opportunities.
We have not seen goods Made in Taiwan for a long time in this part of the world. Many of their products are coming into the US as Made in Mexico. But they are in the process of vanishing too. Even with the low transportation cost from Mexico to the US is much less, Taiwan's products labelled Made in Mexico are not able to compete with products Made in China in quality and in advanced technology.
Taiwan is missing out opportunities.

Well, China's products are cheaper now for the consumers to buy but quality is far worst than Malaysia, Korea, Taiwan and Japan. The poor country mostly do cheap labor and be a slave driver, others like Japan and Taiwan..etc are now invested in capital products/partners, I meant they are bosses to put $ in Mfg, Managements as Investors.

Andrez Lopez wrote:

Taiwan is missing out this kind of opportunities.
We have not seen goods Made in Taiwan for a long time in this part of the world. Many of their products are coming into the US as Made in Mexico. But they are in the process of vanishing too. Even with the low transportation cost from Mexico to the US is much less, Taiwan's products labelled Made in Mexico are not able to compete with products Made in China in quality and in advanced technology.
Taiwan is missing out opportunities.

With WTO in collapse, the island will face mounting barrier from all of its trading partners without any means to counter balance them. The economic outlook is grim while the island still plagued by internal political and ethnic conflicts. Democracy as a failed example on Taiwan is a direct warning for China to steer clear of such quagmire.

Zsari wrote:

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With WTO in collapse, the island will face mounting barrier from all of its trading partners without any means to counter balance them. The economic outlook is grim while the island still plagued by internal political and ethnic conflicts. Democracy as a failed example on Taiwan is a direct warning for China to steer clear of such quagmire.

What a ridiculous bit of frantic propaganda. Taiwan will retain access to the world's largest consumer market (for whom it manufactures a majority of the computer chips, and many other high value added products, and many other markets as well. It is CHINA, wholly dependant on exports to continue development, that is most vulnerable.
In fact.....The economic outlook is grim while the mainland is still plagued by internal political and ethnic conflicts. Dictatorship as a failed example in the PRC is a direct warning for Taiwan to steer clear of such quagmire.

Mirolyuba wrote:

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What a ridiculous bit of frantic propaganda. Taiwan will retain access to the world's largest consumer market (for whom it manufactures a majority of the computer chips, and many other high value added products, and many other markets as well. It is CHINA, wholly dependant on exports to continue development, that is most vulnerable.
In fact.....The economic outlook is grim while the mainland is still plagued by internal political and ethnic conflicts. Dictatorship as a failed example in the PRC is a direct warning for Taiwan to steer clear of such quagmire.

lol, which rock are you living under. Should know that 1/3 of Taiwan's GNP is coming from China now. China has a huge internal market that it can absorb any change in its export/import easier than any country on earth. If you can't sale over sea, sale it in China. All the government has to do is to monitor the tariff, and adjust the input /output accordingly. Taiwan is suffer its worst economy in 20 yrs, try to keep up with the news.

Mirolyuba wrote:

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What a ridiculous bit of frantic propaganda. Taiwan will retain access to the world's largest consumer market (for whom it manufactures a majority of the computer chips, and many other high value added products, and many other markets as well.

Yes, the US government will try to prop up Taiwan, but only to certain degree, as the US economy is itself sinking. The super 301 trade act constantly levied against the island before WTO is just an example of how far US will or rather will not go.

LOL wrote:

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lol, which rock are you living under. Should know that 1/3 of Taiwan's GNP is coming from China now. China has a huge internal market that it can absorb any change in its export/import easier than any country on earth. If you can't sale over sea, sale it in China. All the government has to do is to monitor the tariff, and adjust the input /output accordingly. Taiwan is suffer its worst economy in 20 yrs, try to keep up with the news.

WTF? LOL! Taiwan is one of the largest foreign direct investors in China. The funds flow Taiwan to China not China to Taiwan!!

China does not have the educated work force, managerial and technical skills of Taiwan. That's why Taiwanese go there to set up shop to make low tech crap that China has a comparative advantage. You little CCP drones are incredible with your ignorance! There is a reason why they called Taiwan, "Silicon Island". It already has a high tech infrastructure along with the technical talent to complement that.

China is growing from a very, very, very low technical and industrial base. Hence, latecomer like China will post huge number in the beginning of its 'take off' period of industrialization. Taiwan already went through that phase in the 70s! A higher, value added economy will grow a lot more slowly because it is not simple plugging input to output model. Mature economy needs to grow by innovation and productivity not simply by crude labor!!

Are you guys here as students because you have no knowledge about economics whatsoever?

Some of your assertions are so clownish!

Avenger wrote:

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WTF? LOL! Taiwan is one of the largest foreign direct investors in China. The funds flow Taiwan to China not China to Taiwan!!
China does not have the educated work force, managerial and technical skills of Taiwan. That's why Taiwanese go there to set up shop to make low tech crap that China has a comparative advantage. You little CCP drones are incredible with your ignorance! There is a reason why they called Taiwan, "Silicon Island". It already has a high tech infrastructure along with the technical talent to complement that.
China is growing from a very, very, very low technical and industrial base. Hence, latecomer like China will post huge number in the beginning of its 'take off' period of industrialization. Taiwan already went through that phase in the 70s! A higher, value added economy will grow a lot more slowly because it is not simple plugging input to output model. Mature economy needs to grow by innovation and productivity not simply by crude labor!!

That is so last century's news. Fool still living in a cave. Accumulated foreign investment in China to 2008 is S$781.1 billion, whereas Taiwan's total investment is $46.41 billion. Biggest investor on China? What are these idiots smoking?

China today has a overflow of educated workforce. Graduates, post graduates, post doctoral graduates are having a difficult time finding jobs.

INNOVATION TRENDS IN CHINA
Bob Stembridge
Thomson Scientific
May 2006

Research and innovation trends

By any measure, the rise of innovation in China in recent times is impressive:

* From 1981 to 2005, there has been a 3,500% increase in papers authored by Chinese residents indexed within Web of Science®. 1
* There has been a 29% increase from 2004 to 2005 alone, to over 65,000 papers last year.
* Similarly, the number of patents has grown consistently between 15 to 25% in the last five years, with record growth of 36.4% from 2004 to 2005.2

This dramatic rise in scientific and technical information output is matched by the growth in R&D spending within China which, at adjusted rates, has grown fivefold from 20 billion yuan to 100 billion yuan over the last 10 years3. Although less than other major regions, the R&D spend as a proportion of GDP has grown fastest in China in the last 5 years from 1% to just over 1.4%4. Patenting growth rates have also far outstripped other major regions in the same time period5.

In terms of the areas where this increased activity is concentrated, the top 5 scientific fields in China with the largest world shares of papers (last 5 years) shows an emphasis on the physical sciences1.

China is now still a slave for cheap labor forces for the world, no more no less.

So is Vietnam.

Viet Kieu wrote:

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Well, China's products are cheaper now for the consumers to buy but quality is far worst than Malaysia, Korea, Taiwan and Japan.

Where is this information coming from? Do you have some market testing for quality of products? Do you realize that the quality control of products is monitored by the foreign companies who dictate the manufacturing protocol for these products?

I understand your inferiority complex and wanting to pin China against other Asian countries such as Japan and Malaysia (you're calling Formosa a country? which 'Korea' are you talking about? You obviously are not educated geographically)

Viet Kieu wrote:

China is...
So is Vietnam.

Okay, let's reiterate this again: PRC does not equal Vietnam.

Are you having trouble understanding the meaning of that simple phrase?

calirep wrote:

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Where is this information coming from? Do you have some market testing for quality of products? Do you realize that the quality control of products is monitored by the foreign companies who dictate the manufacturing protocol for these products?
I understand your inferiority complex and wanting to pin China against other Asian countries such as Japan and Malaysia (you're calling Formosa a country? which 'Korea' are you talking about? You obviously are not educated geographically)

China is the place for Manufacturing setup from other countries to put their investments + Eng patents into it.

China's inovation ? Nah. I had worked for CiscoSystems once and I understand China is eager to learn, to steal, to spy for new designs but being sued by US companies.

Cheap labor ? Yes Sir ! that's what Japan was 40 yrs ago and then Korea, Taiwan but no more, now is China, Vietnam, Philippine etc...

Zsari wrote:

INNOVATION TRENDS IN CHINA
Bob Stembridge
Thomson Scientific
May 2006
Research and innovation trends
By any measure, the rise of innovation in China in recent times is impressive:
* From 1981 to 2005, there has been a 3,500% increase in papers authored by Chinese residents indexed within Web of Science®. 1
* There has been a 29% increase from 2004 to 2005 alone, to over 65,000 papers last year.
* Similarly, the number of patents has grown consistently between 15 to 25% in the last five years, with record growth of 36.4% from 2004 to 2005.2
This dramatic rise in scientific and technical information output is matched by the growth in R&D spending within China which, at adjusted rates, has grown fivefold from 20 billion yuan to 100 billion yuan over the last 10 years3. Although less than other major regions, the R&D spend as a proportion of GDP has grown fastest in China in the last 5 years from 1% to just over 1.4%4. Patenting growth rates have also far outstripped other major regions in the same time period5.
In terms of the areas where this increased activity is concentrated, the top 5 scientific fields in China with the largest world shares of papers (last 5 years) shows an emphasis on the physical sciences1.

If you R an Engineer or working in Eng Dept, to obtain a patent of your own is easy with any kind of design you have but you need to make sure your design is not the same layout with others which had already in used or so or you can be sued, some company you work with can help you that, no fee and that patent can also belong to the company.

Products are made in China is mostly designed and patented by foreign companies and depend on how long the patent withhold for 7-12 yrs and after that you can steal that patent to build your own products.

Only thing I known China invent gun powder for fireworks and Chinese do real good cooking, lots of disc specialties of all kind from good foods to bizzare menu :)

Today, China is focusing on Nuke Sub to take over the Pacific from USA. Why Pacific belongs to USA, please read WW-2 Pacific/Navy history .

Viet Kieu wrote:

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China is the place for Manufacturing setup from other countries to put their investments + Eng patents into it.
China's inovation ?

Did I mention in my comment about China's innovation?

Did I mention about "cheap labor"? I asked you very simple yes/no questions and yet you still do not understand.

My god. The only places you worked at are in Vietnam. I am personal friends with people who work for Cisco Systems and they most definitely would not hire someone who has incomprehensible English.

Viet Kieu wrote:

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Products are made in China is mostly designed and patented by foreign companies and depend on how long the patent withhold for 7-12 yrs and after that you can steal that patent to build your own products.

Again speaks of out complete ignorance. 60.8% of the patent applicants in China are from Chinese and Chinese companies.

calirep wrote:

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Did I mention in my comment about China's innovation?
Did I mention about "cheap labor"? I asked you very simple yes/no questions and yet you still do not understand.
My god. The only places you worked at are in Vietnam. I am personal friends with people who work for Cisco Systems and they most definitely would not hire someone who has incomprehensible English.

The way you and some of others can not be a leaders in the work force environments, language is a gate to the world but in work force like manufacturing or even in Eng R&D, the tech skill plus experience is the key and big company like IBM, Sun, CiscoSystems, Solectron..etc. they are typically in Bayares had hired lot of foreign workers as Chinese, Indian etc to work in US's soil. You can visit MicroSoft in Redmond, WA and see sea of Indian from far east to resides in that areas to work for MS. Some good and bad in English/Pronounciation, at work they normally running as they are busy but to professional American workers they would walk.

When I click "reply" to answer, mostly I answer in general and for other too to read. I recalled the Solectron also has to remodel the toilet seats to match the "sit flat low" type toilet in China http://www.mirrabikeco.com/bikeblog/wp-conten... for those Chinese workers to sh it and feel good to work.

Rule: No matter if you R boss or supervisor. You must understand customers or workers lower level than you they are the key to hold your job, your job is to make $ for your company. Amen !

Zsari wrote:

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Again speaks of out complete ignorance. 60.8% of the patent applicants in China are from Chinese and Chinese companies.

Yes. I understand, but what significant about their patents ?

Look at those airplane parts Boeing sends to China to be made. Now China declare they will compete with foreign's after years to learn from building it. Look at those MIG from Russia, they all copycat from US, from A-Z, from comcept to product, well, I can say there are some special tech in it but that is modification.

I can see those cellfone made in CHina for their own citizen to buy, those are bad quality but they do put Chinese software in it definitely and can not compare with iPhone :)

Roll back to the earthquake disater, China Army can not help the victim effectively because they dont have some kind of good transportation by air like CH-47 Chinook etc...

Do you know most touch screen are made in Japan, Taiwan and China by companies that are relatively unknown in the U.S., like Nissha Printing Co., Wintek Corp. and Truly Semiconductors Ltd before it was picked by iPhone and made it big? iPhone is not the innovator.