Confederacy not worthy of contempt.......................... ????

Civil War has traditionally been one of the most heavily romanticized wars in American history. Even the defeated Confederates are referred to with respect, and there's a Robert E. Lee memorial right in Arlington National Cemetery.....

Why is this so? I mean, sure, not everyone who fought for the Confederacy was a slave owner, or necessarily keen on slavery. Nor were all German soldiers in WWII members of the Nazi party - but one would be hard pressed to find a German veteran of that war who feels any particular pride in his service, even if he never personally committed any war crimes. This is appropriate, to my way of thinking - the German cause in WWII was loathesome, the world is better off for Germany's defeat, and for someone to view German military service in that war as a source of pride would be ... odd. Distasteful......

This is the South Africa Forum... This thread maybe more suitable for the African American Forum.

MellowGlen wrote:

Civil War has traditionally been one of the most heavily romanticized wars in American history. Even the defeated Confederates are referred to with respect, and there's a Robert E. Lee memorial right in Arlington National Cemetery.....
Why is this so? I mean, sure, not everyone who fought for the Confederacy was a slave owner, or necessarily keen on slavery. Nor were all German soldiers in WWII members of the Nazi party - but one would be hard pressed to find a German veteran of that war who feels any particular pride in his service, even if he never personally committed any war crimes. This is appropriate, to my way of thinking - the German cause in WWII was loathesome, the world is better off for Germany's defeat, and for someone to view German military service in that war as a source of pride would be ... odd. Distasteful......

Good post. I agree with you.

BTW The Confederacy was more about individual state rights, than slavery. As a matter of fact Lincoln who was the president of the Union was a very well known racist. So don't think for a minute that The Abolition was done to do blacks a favor. It was merely to save face because most of Western Europe had already abolished slavery.

http://www.trivia-library.com/a/president-abr...

Why should we not have respect and celebrate our dead soldiers who just so happened to be members of the rebellion? A lot of Americans died in this war! As a matter of fact more Americans died in the civil war than any war to date. These dead confederate soldiers are peoples ancestor, so we don't just trash them or write them off just because we did not like what they did or were a part of.

Bunniluvsyou wrote:

This is the South Africa Forum... This thread maybe more suitable for the African American Forum.

Re:Feel free to respond or remain silent,fair enough Miss B?

MellowGlen wrote:

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Re:Feel free to respond or remain silent,fair enough Miss B?

I did respond... Or did Topix remove my response? They do it from time to time and I will be the only one who can read the post...

You know, I get the feeling you are trolling for racist here in The South Africa forum being that you know there is already a lot of us who post here. I came to this conclusion because you started a thread about training primates and the civil war. Am I correct in this assumption?:)

Bunniluvsyou wrote:

BTW The Confederacy was more about individual state rights, than slavery. As a matter of fact Lincoln who was the president of the Union was a very well known racist. So don't think for a minute that The Abolition was done to do blacks a favor. It was merely to save face because most of Western Europe had already abolished slavery.
http://www.trivia-library.com/a/president-abr...
Why should we not have respect and celebrate our dead soldiers who just so happened to be members of the rebellion? A lot of Americans died in this war! As a matter of fact more Americans died in the civil war than any war to date. These dead confederate soldiers are peoples ancestor, so we don't just trash them or write them off just because we did not like what they did or were a part of.

Re:Preservation of slavery was certainly one of the main reason, but why don't you view the Confederates with deep, profound disgust? Why do you honor the memories of men like Robert E. Lee, who did such grave injury to the Republic in a profoundly wicked cause?

Bunniluvsyou wrote:

<quoted text>I did respond... Or did Topix remove my response? They do it from time to time and I will be the only one who can read the post...
You know, I get the feeling you are trolling for racist here in The South Africa forum being that you know there is already a lot of us who post here. I came to this conclusion because you started a thread about training primates and the civil war. Am I correct in this assumption?:)

Reply: Absolutely interesting,but incorrect.......

MellowGlen wrote:

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Re:Preservation of slavery was certainly one of the main reason, but why don't you view the Confederates with deep, profound disgust? Why do you honor the memories of men like Robert E. Lee, who did such grave injury to the Republic in a profoundly wicked cause?

There are many misconceptions as to what caused and fueled the American Civil War. Slavery was indeed one of them. However, less than 20% of the Southern population owned African Americans. It was a major investment to own an African American especially if they possessed valuable skills such as blacksmithing, carpentry, or farming skills. Certainly owning a black man or woman, was a prestigious classification, but very few Southerners and even Northerners, fit in this category of wealth. Thus, the stories that have been perpetuated throughout history of all slave owners beating their "slaves" is quite inaccurate. It is a myth that the media of that time stimulated to build a case to send the North and South to war. In addition, politicians, many of them wealthy and slave-owners, were used as the example or model for the Southern population, when in fact the average Southerner lived day to day and could not afford to purchase another human being for $500-$1,500.

Why would I should I have a deep, profound disgust for Confederates? As a Libertarian, I agree with many of there policies that have to do with individual state rights. I believe that laws and rights should be up to the discretion of an individual state not to people living thousands of miles away in Washington, DC.

Who said I honor the memory of Robert E Lee? This is not the case. As a former soldier in the army, I believe we should honor all Americans who have died fighting for this nation. Over 620,000 Americans died during the civil war, no other war has produced as many fatalities or casualties of Americans to date. These were people's relatives, regardless of what side they fought on.

620,000 White Americans paid with lives? "Brutal"
I agree with some of the pasted above info., but I wanted to add my own thoughts......... The Confederacy lost...... It doesn't matter how outmatched or whatever they were, at the end of the day, they lost....... Even if we ignore the question about whether one can separate the validity of honoring one's ancestors from the issue of slavery, when you're proudly flying your Stars and Bars, you're essentially saying, "Hooray for the losers."

I mean, really. I don't see a whole lot of people walking around in T-Shirts that are proclaim "Aparthied"

MellowGlen wrote:

620,000 White Americans paid with lives? "Brutal"
I agree with some of the pasted above info., but I wanted to add my own thoughts......... The Confederacy lost...... It doesn't matter how outmatched or whatever they were, at the end of the day, they lost....... Even if we ignore the question about whether one can separate the validity of honoring one's ancestors from the issue of slavery, when you're proudly flying your Stars and Bars, you're essentially saying, "Hooray for the losers."
I mean, really. I don't see a whole lot of people walking around in T-Shirts that are proclaim "Aparthied"

I feel as if that comment of "brutal" was meant to be rude and sarcastic. That number is pretty significant. Even your precious black brothers are a part of that number as well. So, shame on you.

Yes that was pasted info, I hope it makes you feel like a real big man saying that... LOL I figured I would paste it since it was a good paragraph and there was not much else I could improve on. You want the url I took it from too?:)

They lost, so what? This was not even the topic of discussion at hand, but I guess it makes you feel awful good about yourself as you are punching those words into your key board. The fact of the matter is that many died regardless of who won the war. These people were still Americans who died for America.

So when people fly the stars and bars they are saying "hooray for losers"? Well, when blacks in South Africa say are pro-ANC, then they are really saying "HOORAY for Terrorist". Being that is what Nelson Mandela was.

Bunniluvsyou wrote:

<quoted text>I feel as if that comment of "brutal" was meant to be rude and sarcastic. That number is pretty significant. Even your precious black brothers are a part of that number as well. So, shame on you.
Yes that was pasted info, I hope it makes you feel like a real big man saying that... LOL I figured I would paste it since it was a good paragraph and there was not much else I could improve on. You want the url I took it from too?:)
They lost, so what? This was not even the topic of discussion at hand, but I guess it makes you feel awful good about yourself as you are punching those words into your key board. The fact of the matter is that many died regardless of who won the war. These people were still Americans who died for America.
So when people fly the stars and bars they are saying "hooray for losers"? Well, when blacks in South Africa say are pro-ANC, then they are really saying "HOORAY for Terrorist". Being that is what Nelson Mandela was.

REPLY: freedom fighter today, freedom fighter tomorrow,freedom fighter forever! HipHipHooray! lol, how are you doing darling?

MellowGlen wrote:

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REPLY: freedom fighter today, freedom fighter tomorrow,freedom fighter forever! HipHipHooray! lol, how are you doing darling?

Freedom figher, who? Mandela? Was he a freedom fighter because he necklaced collaborators, because he signed off on the Church Street bombing, or because he told the black youth of South Africa to burn down their schools which has produced a lawless, unemployable generation? Please clarify.:)

He defeated the White racist regime and brought Aparthied to an end.So, who is running things in SA?

MellowGlen wrote:

He defeated the White racist regime and brought Aparthied to an end.So, who is running things in SA?

I believe the better question is who is running things into the ground in SA??? The Negro is turning an advanced civilization into a third world cesspool. That phenomenon is known the world over as "the Negro way". In answer to your original post, the reason the Confederacy is glorified is to cement the bonds of the Union. There is nothing to be gained by excoriating the South. There were already enough hard feelings to last for generations. The better question is why do you seek to perpetuate those hard feelings??? Good day to you sire.

MellowGlen wrote:

Civil War has traditionally been one of the most heavily romanticized wars in American history. Even the defeated Confederates are referred to with respect, and there's a Robert E. Lee memorial right in Arlington National Cemetery.....

Thank you for providing evidence of how the Confederacy never lost.
The veneration of the South and the flag of the South shows the ideals of the confederacy never died,in fact they became even more venerated after the war and their symbolism and ideals spread to the rest of America and even many parts of the rest of the world.You cannot say the South Lost,if it ended up continuing to gain adherents hundreds of years after its supposed defeat.I do not know how one can claim to have defeated an ideology if less than twenty years ago it produced an adherant that controlled the enemies capital[Reagan]

MellowGlen wrote:

Why is this so? I mean, sure, not everyone who fought for the Confederacy was a slave owner, or necessarily keen on slavery. Nor were all German soldiers in WWII members of the Nazi party - but one would be hard pressed to find a German veteran of that war who feels any particular pride in his service, even if he never personally committed any war crimes. This is appropriate, to my way of thinking - the German cause in WWII was loathesome, the world is better off for Germany's defeat, and for someone to view German military service in that war as a source of pride would be ... odd. Distasteful......

Interesting you merely provide an analogy,but do not tie it in with evidence furthering of the south being loathsome.Your argument is thus reliant on a faulty analogy.

How are you doing Bozino??
On the issue of the civil war, there are still too many Americans who have hard feelings. Some individual soldiers of the Confederacy fought for all kinds of reasons; base, noble, or somewhere in between. This is probably true of every side in every war the human race has ever fought. It's certainly possible to memorialize the dead who fought in a very bad cause, it helps a lot if those doing the memorializing of the dead don't try to whitewash the cause for which they died. On the issue of South Africa,your negative statement about the new rulership is at best moronic!

MellowGlen wrote:

How are you doing Bozino??
On the issue of the civil war, there are still too many Americans who have hard feelings. Some individual soldiers of the Confederacy fought for all kinds of reasons; base, noble, or somewhere in between. This is probably true of every side in every war the human race has ever fought. It's certainly possible to memorialize the dead who fought in a very bad cause, it helps a lot if those doing the memorializing of the dead don't try to whitewash the cause for which they died. On the issue of South Africa,your negative statement about the new rulership is at best moronic!

How are you doing FAT BASTARD??

MellowGlen wrote:

How are you doing Bozino??
On the issue of the civil war, there are still too many Americans who have hard feelings. Some individual soldiers of the Confederacy fought for all kinds of reasons; base, noble, or somewhere in between. This is probably true of every side in every war the human race has ever fought. It's certainly possible to memorialize the dead who fought in a very bad cause, it helps a lot if those doing the memorializing of the dead don't try to whitewash the cause for which they died. On the issue of South Africa,your negative statement about the new rulership is at best moronic!

I am doing quite well my lord. Thank you so much for asking. Wisdom dictates that we do not go around and condemn the people who died in causes that we disagree with. There is absolutely nothing to gain besides getting hatred in return. It is appropriate to condemn the cause for which people fight though. That way it is not personal.

The new rulership in South Africa is a disgrace. The Negro is not capable of governing a complex nation such as South Africa. They need to accept the kinder and gentler machine gun hand of the White man for their own good. A pleasure as always chairman.

bozino wrote:

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I am doing quite well my lord. Thank you so much for asking. Wisdom dictates that we do not go around and condemn the people who died in causes that we disagree with. There is absolutely nothing to gain besides getting hatred in return. It is appropriate to condemn the cause for which people fight though. That way it is not personal.
The new rulership in South Africa is a disgrace. The Negro is not capable of governing a complex nation such as South Africa. They need to accept the kinder and gentler machine gun hand of the White man for their own good. A pleasure as always chairman.

How's the thread about "Sini_vagina" going, Khedive?
I lost the link.