Do white people belong in (South) Africa?

Dr hawass is an arab. He have no claim to ancient egypt. Who are they doing the dna on? It's not the current people. Unless it's the one in the south with the darkish brown skin tone. It's certainly not hawass and his saudi arabians arabs buddies. I don't know why people like fake white afrikan dude who claim all these pharaohs were not black. When the romans and greeks said they were black and dark brown skin people. Why is it so hard that arabs want to claim a culture when they don't have. The same goes for europeons. Without the moors who were black people they wouldn't be a europe. If it was for us columbus wouldn't had discover america. Columbus said it was from the blacks who were moors he learn about here. No whites would be here. Only the moors and the indians. Remember 2012 is coming when the whites rule shall be no more. Time is changing and prophecy are fullfilling. I only believe what the ancient historians like herodotus and tacitus said about the egyptians. They said they were black skin people with wooly hair. That's good enough for me. At least back then they weren't racist. Now arabs just like their europeons buddies are the most racists people in the world. Leave black man land oneday you will get what you deserve for selling blacks and destroying their culture. Only to claim it as yours!

In contemporary descriptions of the ancient Egyptians, this question is never raised. Eyewitnesses of that period formally affirm that the Egyptians were Blacks. On several occasions Herodotus insists on the Negro character of the Egyptians and even uses this for indirect demonstrations. For example, to prove that the flooding of the Nile cannot be caused by melting snow, he cites, among other reasons he deems valid, the following observation: "It is certain that the natives of the country are black with the heat...."

To show that the inhabitants of Colchis were of Egyptian origin and had to be considered a part of Sesostris' army who had settled in that region, Herodotus says: "The Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair...." {endnote 3: Ibid., p. 115.} Finally, concerning the population of India, Herodotus distinguishes between the Padaeans and other Indians, describing them as follows: "They all also have the same tint of skin, which approaches that of the Ethiopians."
Diodorus of Sicily writes:

{quote} The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies which was brought into Egypt by Osiris. They even allege that this country was originally under water, but that the Nile, dragging much mud as it flowed from Ethiopia, had finally filled it in and made it a part of the continent.... They add that from them, as from their authors and ancestors, the Egyptians get most of their laws. It is from them that the Egyptians have learned to honor

kings as gods and bury them with such pomp; sculpture and writing were invented by the Ethiopians. The Ethiopians cite evidence that they are more ancient than the Egyptians, but it is useless to report that here.

If the Egyptians and Ethiopians were not of the same race, Diodorus would have emphasized the impossibility of considering the former as a colony (i.e., a fraction) of the latter and the impossibility of viewing them as forebears of the Egyptians.

Undoubtedly the basic reason for this is that Herodotus, after relating his eyewitness account informing us that the Egyptians were Blacks, then demonstrated, with rare honesty (for a Greek), that Greece borrowed from Egypt all the elements of her civilization, even the cult of the gods, and that Egypt was the cradle of civilization. Moreover, archeological discoveries continually justify Herodotus against his detractors. Thus, Christiane Desroches-Noblecourt writes about recent excavations in Tanis*{footnote: Tanis, the Biblical Zoan, at the mouth of the eastern branch of the Nile Delts}: "Herodotus had seen the outer buildings of these sepulchers and had described them.[This was the Labyrinth discussed above.] Pierre Montet has just proved once again that 'The Father of History did not lie.'" {endnote 13: Sciences et Avenir, No. 56, October 1951.} It could be objected that, in the fifth century B.C. when Herodotus visited Egypt, its civilization was already more than 10,000 years old and that the race which had created it was not necessarily the Negro race that Herodotus found there.

These facts prove that if the Egyptian people had originally been white, it might well have remained so. If Herodotus found it still black after so much crossbreeding, it must have been basic black at the start.

{p. 27} Before examining the contradictions circulating in the modern era and resulting from attempts to prove at any price that the Egyptians were Whites, let us note the astonishment of a scholar of good faith, Count Constantin de Volney (1757-1820). After being imbued with all the prejudices we have just mentioned with regard to the Negro, Volney had gone to Egypt between 1783 and 1785, while Negro slavery flourished. He reported as follows on the Egyptian race, the very race that had produced the Pharaohs: the Copts.

{quote}... all have a bloated face, puffed up eyes, flat nose, thick lips; in a word, the true face of the mulatto. I was tempted to attribute it to the climate, but when I visited the Sphinx, its appearance gave me the key to the riddle. On seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says: "As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair...." In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold. We can even state as a general principle that the face is a kind of monument able, in many cases, to attest or shed light on historical evidence on the origins of peoples.

Whites need to get their greedy arses out of Africa!

Thutmosis wrote:

kings as gods and bury them with such pomp; sculpture and writing were invented by the Ethiopians. The Ethiopians cite evidence that they are more ancient than the Egyptians, but it is useless to report that here.
If the Egyptians and Ethiopians were not of the same race, Diodorus would have emphasized the impossibility of considering the former as a colony (i.e., a fraction) of the latter and the impossibility of viewing them as forebears of the Egyptians.
Undoubtedly the basic reason for this is that Herodotus, after relating his eyewitness account informing us that the Egyptians were Blacks, then demonstrated, with rare honesty (for a Greek), that Greece borrowed from Egypt all the elements of her civilization, even the cult of the gods, and that Egypt was the cradle of civilization. Moreover, archeological discoveries continually justify Herodotus against his detractors. Thus, Christiane Desroches-Noblecourt writes about recent excavations in Tanis*{footnote: Tanis, the Biblical Zoan, at the mouth of the eastern branch of the Nile Delts}: "Herodotus had seen the outer buildings of these sepulchers and had described them.[This was the Labyrinth discussed above.] Pierre Montet has just proved once again that 'The Father of History did not lie.'" {endnote 13: Sciences et Avenir, No. 56, October 1951.} It could be objected that, in the fifth century B.C. when Herodotus visited Egypt, its civilization was already more than 10,000 years old and that the race which had created it was not necessarily the Negro race that Herodotus found there.
These facts prove that if the Egyptian people had originally been white, it might well have remained so. If Herodotus found it still black after so much crossbreeding, it must have been basic black at the start.
{p. 27} Before examining the contradictions circulating in the modern era and resulting from attempts to prove at any price that the Egyptians were Whites, let us note the astonishment of a scholar of good faith, Count Constantin de Volney (1757-1820). After being imbued with all the prejudices we have just mentioned with regard to the Negro, Volney had gone to Egypt between 1783 and 1785, while Negro slavery flourished. He reported as follows on the Egyptian race, the very race that had produced the Pharaohs: the Copts.
{quote}... all have a bloated face, puffed up eyes, flat nose, thick lips; in a word, the true face of the mulatto. I was tempted to attribute it to the climate, but when I visited the Sphinx, its appearance gave me the key to the riddle. On seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says: "As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair...." In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold. We can even state as a general principle that the face is a kind of monument able, in many cases, to attest or shed light on historical evidence on the origins of peoples.

Egyptian delta was a great cane sea. My blog, YAM SUF http://falashaleott.blogspot.com/ has some information.

African american?Sorry ,you are either African or American.Africans are racist too.But for all you idiots to automatically believe cause you are black you are African,get a life and stop dreaming about nothing.I was born in Africa and therefore I am African!!!!!Whites are african as well as blacks.Only a scumbag racist claims that whites do not belong in africa.Ignorant pieces of S#$%.I was born there and I am a White African!

Thutmosis wrote:

kings as gods and bury them with such pomp; sculpture and writing were invented by the Ethiopians. The Ethiopians cite evidence that they are more ancient than the Egyptians, but it is useless to report that here.
If the Egyptians and Ethiopians were not of the same race, Diodorus would have emphasized the impossibility of considering the former as a colony (i.e., a fraction) of the latter and the impossibility of viewing them as forebears of the Egyptians.
Undoubtedly the basic reason for this is that Herodotus, after relating his eyewitness account informing us that the Egyptians were Blacks, then demonstrated, with rare honesty (for a Greek), that Greece borrowed from Egypt all the elements of her civilization, even the cult of the gods, and that Egypt was the cradle of civilization. Moreover, archeological discoveries continually justify Herodotus against his detractors. Thus, Christiane Desroches-Noblecourt writes about recent excavations in Tanis*{footnote: Tanis, the Biblical Zoan, at the mouth of the eastern branch of the Nile Delts}: "Herodotus had seen the outer buildings of these sepulchers and had described them.[This was the Labyrinth discussed above.] Pierre Montet has just proved once again that 'The Father of History did not lie.'" {endnote 13: Sciences et Avenir, No. 56, October 1951.} It could be objected that, in the fifth century B.C. when Herodotus visited Egypt, its civilization was already more than 10,000 years old and that the race which had created it was not necessarily the Negro race that Herodotus found there.
These facts prove that if the Egyptian people had originally been white, it might well have remained so. If Herodotus found it still black after so much crossbreeding, it must have been basic black at the start.
{p. 27} Before examining the contradictions circulating in the modern era and resulting from attempts to prove at any price that the Egyptians were Whites, let us note the astonishment of a scholar of good faith, Count Constantin de Volney (1757-1820). After being imbued with all the prejudices we have just mentioned with regard to the Negro, Volney had gone to Egypt between 1783 and 1785, while Negro slavery flourished. He reported as follows on the Egyptian race, the very race that had produced the Pharaohs: the Copts.
{quote}... all have a bloated face, puffed up eyes, flat nose, thick lips; in a word, the true face of the mulatto. I was tempted to attribute it to the climate, but when I visited the Sphinx, its appearance gave me the key to the riddle. On seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says: "As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair...." In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold. We can even state as a general principle that the face is a kind of monument able, in many cases, to attest or shed light on historical evidence on the origins of peoples.

hahahahahaha

Except the Ethiopia was called Nubia and the Egyptian wars with Nubia is WELL documented.

hahahahahahaha

What a sad lot of thieves you are.

hahahahahahaha

Thutmosis wrote:

In contemporary descriptions of the ancient Egyptians, this question is never raised. Eyewitnesses of that period formally affirm that the Egyptians were Blacks. On several occasions Herodotus insists on the Negro character of the Egyptians and even uses this for indirect demonstrations. For example, to prove that the flooding of the Nile cannot be caused by melting snow, he cites, among other reasons he deems valid, the following observation: "It is certain that the natives of the country are black with the heat...."
To show that the inhabitants of Colchis were of Egyptian origin and had to be considered a part of Sesostris' army who had settled in that region, Herodotus says: "The Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair...." {endnote 3: Ibid., p. 115.} Finally, concerning the population of India, Herodotus distinguishes between the Padaeans and other Indians, describing them as follows: "They all also have the same tint of skin, which approaches that of the Ethiopians."
Diodorus of Sicily writes:
{quote} The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies which was brought into Egypt by Osiris. They even allege that this country was originally under water, but that the Nile, dragging much mud as it flowed from Ethiopia, had finally filled it in and made it a part of the continent.... They add that from them, as from their authors and ancestors, the Egyptians get most of their laws. It is from them that the Egyptians have learned to honor

Except that the physical evidence, namely the mummies themselves disprove your theory.

hahahahaha

What a sad of of culture thieves you lot are.

hahahahaha

African4 wrote:

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Except that the physical evidence, namely the mummies themselves disprove your theory.
hahahahaha
What a sad of of culture thieves you lot are.
hahahahaha

The proto-Egyptians were definitely a mixture of black and arab. And I believe the slave economy was segregated and castrated which meant less and less black contribution to gene pool. But what I want to know is; who were the arab or indigenous caucasoid? Did these people migrate from Baikul valley as is common theory? Or were they traveling by boat following the kelp beds where food was abundant? Maybe these people are from the same group that populated the Americas.

Mogambu wrote:

Whites need to get their greedy arses out of Africa!

Hey you must have really thought long and hard to come up with this intellectual comment...now you go lie down because you must be a bit mentally exhausted.

It's obvious that some people here post out of anger and bitterness and I guess that's to be expected, especially on the Internet.

To me it's pretty simple. The greatest change and most effective change is usually done when people self-examine. The problem both in South Africa and in many parts of Africa (and the world for that matter) is one side is pointing to the other side telling them how messed up they are and how much it's the other person's fault that they're in their predicament. The other side is yelling the same thing which all becomes a bunch of unintelligible ignorant noise of stupidity (of both black and white people). White South Africans need to look in the mirror and ask what they can do (or not do) to make the situation better while black South Africans must also look in the mirror and ask the same question. People have to get their own house in order before they start criticizing the other's. Only when both groups take an honest look at themselves and what they have done and are doing and figure out a way to change this is when people start moving towards an honest and real solution.

Maybe our gubbermunt should start be seeing whether they can get our annual murder rate of 19,000 people under control.

I think you'll find that once that is on normal terms, ALL racial issues will evaporate.

In South Africa it is ONLY CRIME that causes racism.

The solution is simple. Get rid of crime, but now our gubbermunt has publicly acknowledged that they are losing the war on crime.

Wonder why...think scorpions etc

Ian wrote:

African american?Sorry ,you are either African or American.Africans are racist too.But for all you idiots to automatically believe cause you are black you are African,get a life and stop dreaming about nothing.I was born in Africa and therefore I am African!!!!!Whites are african as well as blacks.Only a scumbag racist claims that whites do not belong in africa.Ignorant pieces of S#$%.I was born there and I am a White African!

Like hell you are an African you are just a European so deal with it.

Olive wrote:

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Like hell you are an African you are just a European so deal with it.

Afternoon WELSH Fijian...

melkpie wrote:

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Afternoon WELSH Fijian...

I am neither Welsh or Fijian but you are definitely, European don't you ever get tired of coming on here venting don't you do anything else with your lousy life cant you give this forum a break you seem so obsessed with trashing and bashing AFRICAN people, sad really.

Olive wrote:

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I am neither Welsh or Fijian but you are definitely, European don't you ever get tired of coming on here venting don't you do anything else with your lousy life cant you give this forum a break you seem so obsessed with trashing and bashing AFRICAN people, sad really.

Check our appearances on the forum over the last week. I guarantee you're on more regularly than I.

melkpie wrote:

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Check our appearances on the forum over the last week. I guarantee you're on more regularly than I.

PS. It's either or and neither nor...get it right.

Whites must leave ASAP!

Mogambu wrote:

Whites must leave ASAP!

Is that the most sophisticated response you could post?

Jeez your brain must have seized functioning as an effective organ at the exact time you were conceived.

You get your intellect from your runaway dad don't you?

You Africans that want whites to leave, of course, realize that it requires violent force to do so? You still have millions of free, land-owning whites in Africa. Soooo, to remove them from their homeland (and yes, it is their homeland whether you like it or not) would require violence.

So, just to be clear on this point. Africans endorse violence to remove whites from Africa? How does that make African governments any better than any other white or Asian government? Mmmmm