Why are Ethiopians pan-African and Somalis not?

somali_dude wrote:

<quoted text>What every great nation subjugated others. lol. The Romans, Greeks, Arabs, Soviets, Amharas. I'm smart enough to know that it is all about survival and dominance in this world. I know what you mean but this is how I feel wallahi. If Africans subjugated Eurpeans before they subjugated us imagine how great Africa would be? That is truth. And if I'm wrong please tell me a great nation or Ethnic group in the History of mankind that hasn't subjugated others? Even in this current world the whites are subjugating us color people by "mind games". I know Africans are at the bottom of the social life that is why I asked questions like " Somalis should marry white girls and Arabs". So we could marry ourselves out of inferiority. Even in Arab countries succesful black men "marry up". Even Arabs "marry up" by marrying white blondie girls. We are in a hierarchy and I'm the only one who is smart enough to realize it. I don't believe that blacks are inferior but they allowed themselves to be made into inferiors. Am I wrong for wanting to revolutionize our people? If loving your people so much is "sick minded" that is exactly what I am.

My goodness. Do you have any dignity left? You marry up or improve your lot by lifting up those around you -not by trying to identitify with people who want nothing to with you. You improve your situation by lifting up your people, region, and continent or you will always be a mental slave.

AA Diasporan wrote:

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My goodness. Do you have any dignity left? You marry up or improve your lot by lifting up those around you -not by trying to identitify with people who want nothing to with you. You improve your situation by lifting up your people, region, and continent or you will always be a mental slave.

The thing is white people created a system were they exploit people of color especially blacks. And most blacks are too dumb to realize that. That's why I have already married up. And I advise other black people to dilute themselves with whites. Black people will no longer be exploited if they are no longer black. Lol. I don't have a problem with black skin... But when you are black you are always stereotyped in a negative way. Black people are seen as mentally inferior. I don't blame others for being racist because black people let themselves to be opressed.

AA Diasporan wrote:

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My goodness. Do you have any dignity left? You marry up or improve your lot by lifting up those around you -not by trying to identitify with people who want nothing to with you. You improve your situation by lifting up your people, region, and continent or you will always be a mental slave.

You want your kids to be successful, marry up. I can't lift my people neither can you. We are a lost cause just look at statistics. If you are black skinned you will be immediately stereotyped. Look at history. Black people have been enslaved by almost every other races. Wtf. If I'm self-hating it's because I've been disappointed by ALL blacks. Doesn't matter if you're Bantu or Somali. If you are black you have disappointed me. Except Ethipians they are the only ones who are not so disappointing even though they are poor in economy.

vjmm wrote:

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All you jareers look the same, wide nose, nappy hair, monkey like facial features, a recipe for ugliness. Identity crisis? How so? We identify ourselves as Africans, the term "Black" was a name given to Bantu slaves, we are not familiar with term, our skin is brown not black.

when I say dissappointment. Somalis like this vjmm guy is a big disappointment. They contribute to the racial hierarchy going on in the world today. He makes fun of Bantus but when Arabs or whites call him the N word he starts crying like a b8tch.

somali_dude wrote:

<quoted text> You want your kids to be successful, marry up. I can't lift my people neither can you. We are a lost cause just look at statistics. If you are black skinned you will be immediately stereotyped. Look at history. Black people have been enslaved by almost every other races. Wtf. If I'm self-hating it's because I've been disappointed by ALL blacks. Doesn't matter if you're Bantu or Somali. If you are black you have disappointed me. Except Ethipians they are the only ones who are not so disappointing even though they are poor in economy.

Goodness man you need to get a clue.Self-hatred is a disease.

somali_dude wrote:

<quoted text> when I say dissappointment. Somalis like this vjmm guy is a big disappointment. They contribute to the racial hierarchy going on in the world today. He makes fun of Bantus but when Arabs or whites call him the N word he starts crying like a b8tch.

thats so true!!

Dyna_girl wrote:

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Goodness man you need to get a clue.Self-hatred is a disease.

There is two type of self-hating. 1)Hating your appearance. I love my appearance. I don't have a problem with black skin or even Bantu features. 2)Hating the way your people act. Which I do not apologize for. I hate the way ALL African descendants act except a few and except Ethiopians and Eritreans. Some Somalis are ok but some are ajinabi wannabes.

Somali_dude wrote:

<quoted text>What? That's the only way to describe it. "You are not very educated are you?" The ideal African in my mind is one who is very black and has a wide nose and big lips. I preach Pan-Africanism so Somalis can use it as a tool. I myself am Pan Cushitic not Pan-African. I just want Somalis to use Bantus to their adnvantage.

LOL..and this is exactly why you're country is the way it is today.

somali_dude wrote:

<quoted text> You want your kids to be successful, marry up. I can't lift my people neither can you. We are a lost cause just look at statistics. If you are black skinned you will be immediately stereotyped. Look at history. Black people have been enslaved by almost every other races. Wtf. If I'm self-hating it's because I've been disappointed by ALL blacks. Doesn't matter if you're Bantu or Somali. If you are black you have disappointed me. Except Ethipians they are the only ones who are not so disappointing even though they are poor in economy.

Correction, it's White people who have been enslaved by every race. From east asians, Turks, Arabs, Middle Easteners, Africans, and Berbers, they have been enslaved by everyone..it's just they cover up their history very well and paint over the cracks. Just like they lead you to believe the "greeks" and "romans" were the fathers of civilization when it was the egyptians who they studied. just like they don't tell you how the greeks and romans saw themselves as a completley different race to northern europeans/nordics who they described as "savage" and "barbaric" they had more in common with african empires of the time than they did with northern europeans..REALIST SH!T I EVER SAID, they actually studided in Africa whilst northern europeans were still running around in caves but for social and political reasons during the birth and concept of "race" all these people were grouped together as one race when originally southern europeans never seen themselves as northern europeans.

Also, you say Black people are mentally inferior? Blacks in the west tend to achieve less because they are mentally oppressed. West Africains have the highest educational attainment of any other group in America, my people collect the most grades and are the most educated in America today it's just you will never hear about these things in the media because as I said they want to keep us mentally oppressed just like how the smartest family in Britain today is a Nigerian family, but as I said you would NEVER know these things. See my Father is West African, and my Mother is mixed but I see myself as BLACK because I'm proud as a mo f^cker because I'm educated..something my brother you are not.

somali_dude wrote:

<quoted text>There is two type of self-hating. 1)Hating your appearance. I love my appearance. I don't have a problem with black skin or even Bantu features. 2)Hating the way your people act. Which I do not apologize for. I hate the way ALL African descendants act except a few and except Ethiopians and Eritreans. Some Somalis are ok but some are ajinabi wannabes.

There's no such thing as a singular group of "African descendants". lol

Africa is a very large continent inhabited by multiple different races. It is not just populated by Negr@1d folks. Failing to acknowledge this basic fact is what is actually disrespectful because it is tantamount to denying the continent's true, glorious diversity.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Somalis, Ethiopians and Eritreans (i.e. Horners) are also in general biologically distinct from Negr@1d peoples. They therefore have nothing to apologize for since doing so is basically apologizing for their own ancestors.

Some helpful materials:

"Blood samples from members of the Oromo and Amhara ethnic groups of central Ethiopia were tested for 10 erythrocyte protein systems: ACP1, ADA, AK1, CA2, ESD, G6PD, GLO1, HB&#946;, PGD, and PGM1. Differences between the two samples were relatively slight and not statistically significant. Gene frequency distributions were then analyzed in the context of the genetics of the African and Arabian peoples. Considering the erythrocyte enzyme data, the Oromo and Amhara appear quite similar to Europoids (particularly to the South Arabians) and considerably different from the Negr1t1[ peoples. There is evidence for close genetic affinity among the Cushitic- and Semitic-speaking population groups of the Horn."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ (SICI)1520-6300(1996)8:4%3C505 ::AID-AJHB11%3E3.0.CO;2-Q/abst ract

"HLA antigens of the Somali population are not categorised as well as those of other international ethnic groups. We analysed the HLA antigens of 76 unrelated Somalis who lived in the west of England. HLA -A,-B,-C and DRB1 typing was performed by polymerase chain reaction using sequence-specific oligonucleotide probes (PCR-SSOP) at a low-intermediate resolution level. Phenotype frequency, gene frequency and haplotype frequency were used to study the relationship between Somalis and other relevant populations. The antigens with highest frequencies were HLA -A1, A2, and A30; B7, B51 and B39; Cw7, Cw16, Cw17, Cw15 and Cw18; DR 13, DR17, DR8 and DR1. HLA haplotypes with high significance and characteristics of the Somali population are B7-Cw7, B39-Cw12, B51-Cw16, B57-Cw18. The result of HLA class I and class II antigen frequencies show that the Somali population appear more similar to Arab or Caucasoid than to African populations. The results are consistent with hypothesis, supported by cultural and historical evidence, of common origin of the Somali population."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j....

All you people who think and/or wish that Habesha/Abyssinians are "Pan-African" obviously have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

Fact is, they consider themselves distinct from Negr@1d peoples -- which they in fact are and which is their prerogative -- just like most other Afro-Asiatic Horners. And this all boils down to actual biology, not just societal conditioning.

As Haile Selassie once famously explained to a Nigerian newspaper:

"When Haile Selassie arrived in London he was interviewed by the Nigerian Daily Times about Ethiopia's racial identity, whether the Ethiopians regarded themselves as Africans, and why they looked down upon the Black people. Haile Selassie replied that the color bar allegations were Italian fabrications. He reaffirmed, however, that Ethiopians were not, and did not regard themselves as negroes, as they were a Hamito-Semitic people."

http://books.google.com/books...

500th5ayer wrote:

All you people who think and/or wish that Habesha/Abyssinians are "Pan-African" obviously have no clue what the hell you're talking about.
Fact is, they consider themselves distinct from Negr@1d peoples -- which they in fact are and which is their prerogative -- just like most other Afro-Asiatic Horners. And this all boils down to actual biology, not just societal conditioning.
As Haile Selassie once famously explained to a Nigerian newspaper:
"When Haile Selassie arrived in London he was interviewed by the Nigerian Daily Times about Ethiopia's racial identity, whether the Ethiopians regarded themselves as Africans, and why they looked down upon the Black people. Haile Selassie replied that the color bar allegations were Italian fabrications. He reaffirmed, however, that Ethiopians were not, and did not regard themselves as negroes, as they were a Hamito-Semitic people."
http://books.google.com/books...

you wont fool anyone bro go back to licking the arab/white mens ass and keep pouring that PINK DEVIL information into your brain!

SomaliAFRICAUNITE wrote:

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you wont fool anyone bro go back to licking the arab/white mens ass and keep pouring that PINK DEVIL information into your brain!

It is funny how some folks on here disagree with anything that deals with logic,truth,and virtue.

its the WHITE MANS truth dont believe in that dumb shit!!

1 somali 2 african and PROUD!!!!!!!

Dyna_girl wrote:

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It is funny how some folks on here disagree with anything that deals with logic,truth,and virtue.

Quite true. lol

500th5ayer wrote:

All you people who think and/or wish that Habesha/Abyssinians are "Pan-African" obviously have no clue what the hell you're talking about.
Fact is, they consider themselves distinct from Negr@1d peoples -- which they in fact are and which is their prerogative -- just like most other Afro-Asiatic Horners. And this all boils down to actual biology, not just societal conditioning.
As Haile Selassie once famously explained to a Nigerian newspaper:
"When Haile Selassie arrived in London he was interviewed by the Nigerian Daily Times about Ethiopia's racial identity, whether the Ethiopians regarded themselves as Africans, and why they looked down upon the Black people. Haile Selassie replied that the color bar allegations were Italian fabrications. He reaffirmed, however, that Ethiopians were not, and did not regard themselves as negroes, as they were a Hamito-Semitic people."
http://books.google.com/books...

he was a confused old man who clearly didnt kne wat he was talking abt.there is more that semitic ppl in ethiopia lyk da omotic and cushtic ppl.nd ethiopians r black nd proud of it

500th5ayer wrote:

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There's no such thing as a singular group of "African descendants". lol
Africa is a very large continent inhabited by multiple different races. It is not just populated by Negr@1d folks. Failing to acknowledge this basic fact is what is actually disrespectful because it is tantamount to denying the continent's true, glorious diversity.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
Somalis, Ethiopians and Eritreans (i.e. Horners) are also in general biologically distinct from Negr@1d peoples. They therefore have nothing to apologize for since doing so is basically apologizing for their own ancestors.
Some helpful materials:
"Blood samples from members of the Oromo and Amhara ethnic groups of central Ethiopia were tested for 10 erythrocyte protein systems: ACP1, ADA, AK1, CA2, ESD, G6PD, GLO1, HB&#946;, PGD, and PGM1. Differences between the two samples were relatively slight and not statistically significant. Gene frequency distributions were then analyzed in the context of the genetics of the African and Arabian peoples.

That has to be the most illogical thing I have ever read.
Every African shares the basic root of their ancestry
with one another meaning every Africain is related. Maybe not related in recent times but understand what the basic ROOT of someone's ancestry is. There seems to be an obsession with distancing east africans from other africans but both no matter what share the basic root of their ancestry with africa. It's a fact, so therefore horn africans are not "distinct" from other Africans lol at all. I see like others who try to narrow race down you keep referring to this so called "n egr01d" .. but it's outdated and illogical, and not the core of an intelligent argument. Plus Horn Africans genetically cluster with eachother before they do anyone else, The fact that Ethiopians have a subset of the sub-Saharan African haplotype diversity — and that the non-African populations have a subset of the diversity present in Ethiopians — makes simple-admixture models less likely; rather, these observations support the hypothesis proposed by other
nuclear-genetic studies (Tishkoff et al. 1996a, 1998a, 1998b; Kidd et al. 1998)— that populations in northeastern Africa
may have diverged from those in the rest of sub-Saharan Africa early in the history of modern African populations and that
a subset of this northeastern-African population migrated out of Africa and populated the rest of the globe. These conclusions are
supported by recent mtDNA analysis”

I wouldn't have said anything, and allowed you to believe in your own fantasy but since you brang Ethiopians into it..I thought I would intervene and correct you.

LET ME TROLL A BIT
http://tinyurl.com/c6koqst

Is dark skin, big lips, and a big nose a reason to hate someone or is being murdered, dehumanized, or colonized a reason to hate someone? You ethiopians and somalians are hating the wrong ppl. Blacks dont comtrol the currensy khazars do. Blacks didnt come into ethiopia gassing and killing ppl italians did. Blacks arent dumping toxic waste in the somalian waters europeans do. Im not saying you should hate anyone, but if you were to pick someone to hate it would be those slick europeans and dirty arabs. They divide and conquer. If they continue the self hatred theyll be conqured very shortly. Lets not even compare the ethiopian or samali army to the US. Even put together you probably couldnt. Basically if they keep it up theyll be exterminated.