Slovenian Domobrans (domobranci)

superdomobranec wrote:

The communist butchers are today almost all dead or some are completely crazy. Those who judge the domobrance think the balkan revolutionary war was a George Lucas Star Wars film.
Anyways is useless to explain anything to them because of their short understanding.
In any case if all Nazi sympatizers should be killed, then Americans should kill Joe Kennedy, JFK father, Brits should hang Prince Edward and his american wife Wallis Simpson, who were Hitlers admirers.

Traitors liar! Domobranci were been not just ,,nazis sympatizers,, but collaborations. And that is a huge difference. Every nation has the traitors, the worst scum, ever made.

Darko Dejak wrote:

I have a question regarding something from the Worl War II era. It's about the Slovenian Homeguard or if your slovenian the Domobrans or Domobranci. Were they allies of the Nazis? My understanding is the Nazis gave them arms so they could fight off communists. It is a fact that communists were allies with Britain and the USA.

It was common for the Nazis to force beaten armies into fighting the Communists. It doesn't make them allies. Yugoslavia was caught between a rock and a hard place. Croatia, specifically Ustase, were working with Germans since the 19th century. Slovenia -even today- seems to have pride in the Austrian part of their history. Considering how the West treated/treats Eastern Europeans, it is no surprise there were small groups working to improve the situation for their homelands. It's a difficult history.

Have you heard of the Black List in Hollywood? There were many Communist sympathizers in the UK and US.

mike wrote:

Domobranci were loyal Catholics who fought for their reloigion.. Please refer to Slovenia, 1945: Memories of Death and Survival After World War II
which is aan eye witness account of an English citizen about tDomobranci.

Dear Mikey... There are also many eye witnesses that saw their homes burned to the ground and their close relatives shot by their fellow countrymen adorned with swastikas on clothes provided by the invading forces... Speak not about after the WWII without considering the "during" part. The after only tried to restore the balance a little. It failed though, for a short counter colaboration time was nothing, compared to the four years that traitors of their nation had to do their job. And think also about how it would be had the fuhrer won! Now shut your trap!!!

nace wrote:

Partizans were not communists, but communist party slowly took command over partizans, because curch and all right wing parties decided not to fight against Hitler and Mussolini. But if they decide othervise and Slovenian people would fight as one man, there would be a big possibility that Nazi would commit another genocide, as against Jews. So as Slovenians fight one another, Germans and Italians hope they will do this job instead of them. But they survived and continued to fight in peace even today as in of all there history, since forced catolisation in eight´s century.

Nailed it...

Nacists and fasists had had a plan to eliminating the Slovenian nation. Oportunists like 'domobrans' joined them to keep their privileges most of them feudal origin.
Churchill and Roosevelt recognize Tito's partizans as allies, so slovenian peopel could choose the right side.
All the other is bull shit.

krneki

jo jo

I am astonished that anyone would be surprised that patriots kill collaborators at the end of an occupation. The "Civilised" French slaughtered countless thousand of Nazi collaborators like the Milice française. The Milice française also used the cover story that they were fighting communism. They were just local Nazi like to domobranci. Wake up to how the world works.

As a proud grandson of a Domobranci lieutenant, this topic is of great interest to me. Yes, I am in America because of Communism. Crimes were committed on both sides no doubt. Collaboration is a vicious word that is easily thrown around to deem right and wrong, but it is only used in a Nazi sense. being that Stalin killed more innocents than Hitler, were the Partizan not collaborating with evil forces as well? Both sides chose a to harness support of greater powers, and neither were good.

I am proud to be a Slovene, but feel uneasy about the subject at hand. Both sides were called to action for what they believed in. It became a civil war which had no chance of being determined by Slovenian interests. Greater powers controlled each side's destiny. the communist experiment has ended, and luckily most are now able to see how "utopian" the results were. Maybe if it continued a little longer Yugoslavia could have achieved the level of enlightenment that the North Koreans have achieved.

No side is innocent in a war, but it is tough to follow the arguments of those who have grown up doused in the rhetoric of the KPJ. At least the surviving Domobranci were able to celebrate Christmas in the Austrian camps while Communists had Labor Day instead.

Mike wrote:

As a proud grandson of a Domobranci lieutenant, this topic is of great interest to me. Yes, I am in America because of Communism. Crimes were committed on both sides no doubt. Collaboration is a vicious word that is easily thrown around to deem right and wrong, but it is only used in a Nazi sense. being that Stalin killed more innocents than Hitler, were the Partizan not collaborating with evil forces as well? Both sides chose a to harness support of greater powers, and neither were good.
I am proud to be a Slovene, but feel uneasy about the subject at hand. Both sides were called to action for what they believed in. It became a civil war which had no chance of being determined by Slovenian interests. Greater powers controlled each side's destiny. the communist experiment has ended, and luckily most are now able to see how "utopian" the results were. Maybe if it continued a little longer Yugoslavia could have achieved the level of enlightenment that the North Koreans have achieved.
No side is innocent in a war, but it is tough to follow the arguments of those who have grown up doused in the rhetoric of the KPJ. At least the surviving Domobranci were able to celebrate Christmas in the Austrian camps while Communists had Labor Day instead.

This has got to be the strangest, if not heartfelt, argument for working with the Nazis I've ever read.

There was no civil war in Slovenia. The number of Domobranci was extremely low in comparison to the number of Slovene Partizan. The present day Slovene flag is all we, in 2011, need to see to know the heart of Slovenia was/is/will always be with their Slavic roots.

"At least the surviving Domobranci were able to celebrate Christmas in the Austrian camps while Communists had Labor Day instead." This comment in your post is stranger still. Not even Germans would make this argument.

You live in the US. Partizan, especially Slovenes, were strong allies of the US/Europe against the Nazis. Never mind "utopia"... look at the state of the world the Communists warned us about. How is Capitalism doing? I love the US, but I'm not going to create fantasies to cover where the country is wrong. Maybe exercising the same philosophy will help you too?

Interested in Denver. I believe there is probably a 99% rally for you and your fellow capitalist hating losers to attend somewhere close.

And to no civil war, check out the official report released to the EU in the special tribunal of crimes of the communist regimes. Striking that there are more reports of Domobranci deaths than Partizan deaths if the Domobranci numbers were so much lower. My opinion most likely is biased in the matter, but that of an official report presented to the governing body of Europe most likely is not.

 https://www.ustrcr.cz/data/pd f/konference/zlociny-komunismu /COUNTRY%20REPORT%20SLOVENIA.p df 

"At least the surviving Domobranci were able to celebrate Christmas in the Austrian camps while Communists had Labor Day instead." This comment in your post is stranger still. Not even Germans would make this argument."

Austrian camps - Camps under British control where thousands fled to at the end of the war. Mainly anti-communists.

The communists officially banned Christmas celebrations as they were Catholic based. Instead, they isn't acted Labor Day.

I admit my comment was I'll written in the first post.

Sides are taken based on 'interests' and not necessarily (or even most improbably) a shared ideology. The Japanese for instance, sided with the Germans in the war. Did they buy into the superior 'blue eyed, blond hair' dogma? Obviously not! The 'little guys' such as Slovenes, had little choice but to fight for the least undesirable brand of domination that would rule over them. My parents religion beliefs steered their path.and eventually chose Canada as their destination after their years in an Austrian camp.
Canada is great and it's basically capitalist. In a nutshell, I believe capitalism is biblical based but does not support the current globalisation trend. I've read communist theory and the basic idea did not seem evil to me. However, in it's history, it just has not gotten results. The best odds seem to be to stick with basic capitalism and tweak it, with the objective of achieving the best standard of living all around. It won't work perfect but that's were Christian charity comes into play.

Mike wrote:

As a proud grandson of a Domobranci lieutenant, this topic is of great interest to me. Yes, I am in America because of Communism. Crimes were committed on both sides no doubt. Collaboration is a vicious word that is easily thrown around to deem right and wrong, but it is only used in a Nazi sense. being that Stalin killed more innocents than Hitler, were the Partizan not collaborating with evil forces as well? Both sides chose a to harness support of greater powers, and neither were good.
I am proud to be a Slovene, but feel uneasy about the subject at hand. Both sides were called to action for what they believed in. It became a civil war which had no chance of being determined by Slovenian interests. Greater powers controlled each side's destiny. the communist experiment has ended, and luckily most are now able to see how "utopian" the results were. Maybe if it continued a little longer Yugoslavia could have achieved the level of enlightenment that the North Koreans have achieved.
No side is innocent in a war, but it is tough to follow the arguments of those who have grown up doused in the rhetoric of the KPJ. At least the surviving Domobranci were able to celebrate Christmas in the Austrian camps while Communists had Labor Day instead.

I'm also proud to be a Slovene, and have lived in Yugoslavia under Tito, Independent Slovenia, and now in UK. Of all this countries, YU was the best, best quality of life, no crime, freedom of movement. Socialistic system has bad points, as has capitalist system, but I prefer first, because people were not so greedy, there was more solidarity, no homeless people, very little unemployment, free health service etc. YU go basically to the dogs because owed 18 billions $ to the west and IMF and they destroy YU demanding more and more interest and no new loans. So standard dropped 30% in just one year, unemployment soars, and tensions between different Republics started.
All new states of former YU now owe more than 100 billion $, but no problem as everything is now in foreign hands. This was capitalist plan from the beginning and same is in all Eastern European Countries. Greedy Capitalism, profit, and more profit no meter what, or how many people die for this profit.
And you know we always celebrate Christmas, and also Labor day and many others.

I would like to address to mr Darko... It seems that somebody s done a good job washing your brains... I dont know who and why but let me tell you one thing... Wishing more people killed does not make you a student of history that we all know!!...

Besides You seem too proud of America when The Atomic Bomb was droped under Japan, and killed MILLONS!!! So, you should better get born again and start with the right foot!!!

ASSHOLE!!