Moscow accuses Ukraine of disrespect for Russian Church

What a joke.*Patriarch Volodya* has had no problems using the Moscow Patriarchate to try to interfere in Ukrainian politics -- and it backfired in the worst way.

Now, in order to survive, the "Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Moscow Patriarchate" has had to distance itself from Russia and show that they are Ukrainian. Their opponents, the "Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kyivan Patriarchate" are negotiating with the Patriarch of Constantinople to go under his omophorion. Patriarch Bartholomew is at this moment visiting Ukraine, much to the chagrin of Patriarch Alexis! It is only a matter of time before the Ukrainian Orthodox Church also achieves self-government.

Zaporozhets wrote:

What a joke.*Patriarch Volodya* has had no problems using the Moscow Patriarchate to try to interfere in Ukrainian politics -- and it backfired in the worst way.
Now, in order to survive, the "Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Moscow Patriarchate" has had to distance itself from Russia and show that they are Ukrainian. Their opponents, the "Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kyivan Patriarchate" are negotiating with the Patriarch of Constantinople to go under his omophorion. Patriarch Bartholomew is at this moment visiting Ukraine, much to the chagrin of Patriarch Alexis! It is only a matter of time before the Ukrainian Orthodox Church also achieves self-government.

Indeed, it's high time that Ukraine had its own national Orthodox Church.

No matter how Orthodox church affairs unfold, Ukraine should remain strictly secular.

Goodbye Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine....another link in the dog chain that is soon to be broken.

:)

long time no see...how is the salmon ?
i see you´re still in love with those russkies..
why would those uks start their own church, if they can´t even form one simple government ?

The more Russia tries to undermine Ukrainian independence by lying about history, instigating secession and demeaning Ukraine, the more Russia isolates itself and actually fortifies the foundation of the Ukrainian nation. Russia's futility in this endeavor is seen by the whole world. Until it divorces itself from ambitions of empire and dark deeds of the past, it will be considered an oppressor of the former Soviet Republics and will not attain the greatness it is capable of.

pesky wrote:

long time no see...how is the salmon ?
i see you´re still in love with those russkies..
why would those uks start their own church, if they can´t even form one simple government ?

Hiya pesky.:)

The salmon fishing has been sh*t this year.:( So has the weather here. On a good note, I'm moving to Seattle next year.:)

So how you been lately?

Why_Me wrote:

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Hiya pesky.:)
The salmon fishing has been sh*t this year.:( So has the weather here. On a good note, I'm moving to Seattle next year.:)
So how you been lately?

Who cares about your Asian, commie hoes smelly mangina. You should do some real fishing. Still planning to over throw the US government with your redneck friends? Why don't they teach about Frisk's in school, must be they're considered nothing and they have mangina's. Why don't you go back and live in Belascum where you can be surrounded with nothing but Asian, commie hoe manginas. Leave Alaska for real Americans, not commie loving scum like you.

A dis-respect well deserved! If you don't give it, how can you expect it? Unless you confuse it with fear.

Why_Me wrote:

Goodbye Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine....another link in the dog chain that is soon to be broken.
:)

yes cut this chain and make some badly needed changes.

Moscow accuses everyone outside their own circle of everything; why should it concern us?

Baba Lu wrote:

The more Russia tries to undermine Ukrainian independence by lying about history, instigating secession and demeaning Ukraine, the more Russia isolates itself and actually fortifies the foundation of the Ukrainian nation. Russia's futility in this endeavor is seen by the whole world. Until it divorces itself from ambitions of empire and dark deeds of the past, it will be considered an oppressor of the former Soviet Republics and will not attain the greatness it is capable of.

Russia has divoriced itself from the past. The Soviet Union and Communism is gone and nobody is bringing it back, even during the dark days of democracy in a huge depressdion in Russia. Lying about History? I don't know what yardstick you are using, but I grew up with the AMerican system of education and until I dug deeper and went to college, I would have categorized what passed as
"history studies" to be greatly white-washed, or in your words "lying".

It's rather difficult for Russians to be divoricing themselves from the dark days of the past, when they were very much the victims too, as all 15 republics of the Soviet Union had a hand in how the USSR was run.

Ukrainians are delluding themselves if they think that the USA and NATO who have absolutely nothing in common with Ukraine actually care about it as anything less than a pawn to be moved off the chess table at the correct time on its march to BAlkanize Russia and attempt to take over its resources.

I would predict that in the long run, Ukraine will have wished that it took a different path that didn't take it away from its relatives and kept it from working out their problems instead of letting strangers and their own interests take over.

Fiddlesticks. The Soviet Union was born from Russia and during the tragic period of it's existence pressed Russification upon the nations it dominated. Yes Russians suffered but not at the expense of their national identity. The colonization of other lands during Soviet times and attempts of making them Russian was a continuation of what the Russian Empire was doing before the "Union's" creation.

Russia must face the skeletons of her past and show goodwill towards her neighbors and not instigate secession within their borders at every opportunity. Until this happens every nation that surrounds her will continue severing their "ties" to Russia.

So don't tell us about how evil NATO is when its main goal is to prevent Russia from creating another Soviet Union. If it wasn't for Russia's actions and attitude her neighbors would not be vying for NATO membership for protection.

And stop deluding yourself by thinking Russia knows everything and what is best for her neighbors. Just the fact that all of Russia's neighbors have identical fears and distrust of her should make it obvious even to you that Russia needs to change her ways. Just think, why did these neighbors assist the Nazis in ridding the Soviets from their lands? Was it for love of Hitler or Germany? Maybe it for freedom and self determination?

Stefanya wrote:

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Russia has divoriced itself from the past. The Soviet Union and Communism is gone and nobody is bringing it back, even during the dark days of democracy in a huge depressdion in Russia. Lying about History? I don't know what yardstick you are using, but I grew up with the AMerican system of education and until I dug deeper and went to college, I would have categorized what passed as
"history studies" to be greatly white-washed, or in your words "lying".
It's rather difficult for Russians to be divoricing themselves from the dark days of the past, when they were very much the victims too, as all 15 republics of the Soviet Union had a hand in how the USSR was run.
Ukrainians are delluding themselves if they think that the USA and NATO who have absolutely nothing in common with Ukraine actually care about it as anything less than a pawn to be moved off the chess table at the correct time on its march to BAlkanize Russia and attempt to take over its resources.
I would predict that in the long run, Ukraine will have wished that it took a different path that didn't take it away from its relatives and kept it from working out their problems instead of letting strangers and their own interests take over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch... <--- This is what your Mongul offspring in Russia supports.

Anyone who thinks Russia gives two sh*ts about it's neighbors is blowing smoke up peoples arse.

Why_Me wrote:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch... <--- This is what your Mongul offspring in Russia supports.
Anyone who thinks Russia gives two sh*ts about it's neighbors is blowing smoke up peoples arse.

Lets see your from an ethnicity no one cares about and you married an Asian, commie loving he/she. Who are you to talk. Russians don't have Asian blood but your he/she does. That's why you act out. Are you ever going to have little Asian children or are you to ashamed and are hiding in Alaska in disgrace.

Baba Lu wrote:

Fiddlesticks. The Soviet Union was born from Russia and during the tragic period of it's existence pressed Russification upon the nations it dominated. Yes Russians suffered but not at the expense of their national identity. The colonization of other lands during Soviet times and attempts of making them Russian was a continuation of what the Russian Empire was doing before the "Union's" creation.
Russia must face the skeletons of her past and show goodwill towards her neighbors and not instigate secession within their borders at every opportunity. Until this happens every nation that surrounds her will continue severing their "ties" to Russia.
So don't tell us about how evil NATO is when its main goal is to prevent Russia from creating another Soviet Union. If it wasn't for Russia's actions and attitude her neighbors would not be vying for NATO membership for protection.
And stop deluding yourself by thinking Russia knows everything and what is best for her neighbors. Just the fact that all of Russia's neighbors have identical fears and distrust of her should make it obvious even to you that Russia needs to change her ways. Just think, why did these neighbors assist the Nazis in ridding the Soviets from their lands? Was it for love of Hitler or Germany? Maybe it for freedom and self determination?

You do know there is no more Soviet Union? You speak like an old US political bafoon who created a scare in the US to pocket tax payers money. The countries around Russia have nothing to fear except revenge of the Russia people. These supposed victims of the Russians, committed numerous murders and soon enough will have to answer for their crimes. Their time is coming soon.They can't keep blaiming Russia for ever. Once Russia steps in the US and Nato will back off.

White Russian Cossack wrote:

<quoted text> You do know there is no more Soviet Union? You speak like an old US political bafoon who created a scare in the US to pocket tax payers money. The countries around Russia have nothing to fear except revenge of the Russia people. These supposed victims of the Russians, committed numerous murders and soon enough will have to answer for their crimes. Their time is coming soon.They can't keep blaiming Russia for ever. Once Russia steps in the US and Nato will back off.

Spoken like a true moron as usual. You never graduated from elementary school did you ?

Go play on the entertainment forum, I beleive they are more your speed.

White Russian Cossack wrote:

<quoted text> You do know there is no more Soviet Union? You speak like an old US political bafoon who created a scare in the US to pocket tax payers money. The countries around Russia have nothing to fear except revenge of the Russia people. These supposed victims of the Russians, committed numerous murders and soon enough will have to answer for their crimes. Their time is coming soon.They can't keep blaiming Russia for ever. Once Russia steps in the US and Nato will back off.

Revenge from the Russian people? You are a durak.
What "murders" have these surrounding nations committed? Do you actually have any data to support this ridiculous accusation? Or are you Jew-baiting again?

Stefanya wrote:

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Russia has divoriced itself from the past. The Soviet Union and Communism is gone and nobody is bringing it back, even during the dark days of democracy in a huge depressdion in Russia. Lying about History? I don't know what yardstick you are using, but I grew up with the AMerican system of education and until I dug deeper and went to college, I would have categorized what passed as
"history studies" to be greatly white-washed, or in your words "lying".

You sound like you were brainwashed in college. If they taught you anything about the importance of sources of evidence or primary sources, you obviously didn't retain that knowledge.

Divorced from the past? Russia is governed by the Cheka, through and through, and they have set up barriers to avoid sharing power. The cult of Stalin has been revived by the government to the point where he has been voted as the most popular figure in Russian history. That's how "divorced from the past" Russia.

Zaporozhets wrote:

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You sound like you were brainwashed in college. If they taught you anything about the importance of sources of evidence or primary sources, you obviously didn't retain that knowledge.
Divorced from the past? Russia is governed by the Cheka, through and through, and they have set up barriers to avoid sharing power. The cult of Stalin has been revived by the government to the point where he has been voted as the most popular figure in Russian history. That's how "divorced from the past" Russia.

If anyone is brain-washed then it is yourself. Did you grow up in the Soviet Union or did you learn all of your biased hate at the hands of the diaspora.

Russia is governed by leaders the Russian people trust to protect them from the "benevolent" USA who gave them bad advice and caused the worst depression ever including the Great Depression, and from western Robber barons. The west doesn't like this because they would prefer that their western robber barons be getting rich off Russia's resources while trying to put down the Russian people. However, the Russian people prefer to do things their way and rightly do not trust the west and its robber barons.


As for popular figures you are wrong again. Stalin represents to a new generation, a tough leader who didn't take crap from anyone and who helped hold a nation together.

And if you are going to use this example, why not look at how the Germans react everytime a movie is made about Hitler and actors walk the streets of Munich made up to look like HItler.
The fascination is there and many Germans secretly do revel in the power that HItler brought to Germany and there are plenty of skinheads in Germany as well

You are trying to twist events to something they are not, because you are greatly biased against anything Russian and you refuse to see the good of anything. Russia is not the Soviet Union and nobody is trying to bring it back.

On the other hand Russia and Ukraine have hundreds of years of intermarriage and many Russians settled in Ukraine after serfdom was brought to Russia by Catherine the great who was instrumental in cementing this institution, and Ukraine is where the escaped serfs ran to.

I don't think that any of this is productive anyway as you diaspora and Russia haters hang on this site like it is a life-line to you. As if you do not exist at all if you can't spread hate and twisted lies here. Ukraine will learn the hard way just what NATO is, and just how selfsh adn imperialistic other governments can be even if they claim to be long time democratic.

If Ukraine is duped into letting NATo in then perhaps the diaspora can hang on the Ukrainian site and rave on and on while those who actually do care about Russia and Russians can discuss Russian affairs on the Russian site.