Polish conservatives warn against Russian military influence

Q: How many Poles does it take to play a game of marbles?

A: All the Poles in Poland, since they're losing their marbles every five minutes.

Poland needs no help from US missiles unless they are under full Polish control. The chances of Poland ever coming under Russian military domination are slim to zero. If the EU ever gets its act together the chances will be absolutely zero.

However you look at it, Poland doesn't need those missles and Kaczynski is a fool if he thinks or says so.

Maybe he'll include in his negotiations with Washington to free his American relative Ted Kaczynski and start a Polish unibomber campaign to scare the hell out of the populace into thinking the KGB is behind it and backing the missile shield 100%.

Maybe - truth be told they don't let him anywhere near the negotiation table. He's as likely to give all the Yanks ask for.

Nah, the best place for him is just to sit his ass still on the Lisbon Treaty to make sure it doesn't get signed and doesn't run off to the Frenchies. As long as he can do that one job he's fine by me.

For all his idiosyncracy, in fact Jaroslaw Kaczynski is maybe doing a great service to all the countries in the EU in blocking the recognition of the Lisbon Treaty by refusing to sign it.

This reworked "Constitution" is pushed down the throat of Europeans who are not consulted about it, in a scandalous bit of skulduggery that has nothing to do with democratic rights but sounds like a putsh led by self-appointed Euro-commissars, most of them failed politicians.

Poland and Kaczynski have good reason to be paranoid about Russia because of past experience of Imperialist Russia and Soviets occupying and forcing them into their sphere of influence. What reason does Russia have to be paranoid about a U.S. missile base designed for protection against Iran, in which Russia has been told repeatedly that the U.S. and EU are not concerned with them. The Russian paranoia couldn't be because of past deeds committed against the Poles that makes them worry that they could be a target of revenge. This of course won't happen but it is evident in Russian politics that the reason they are afraid of NATO expanding to their neighbors is because their neighbors do not look back fondly of their days under Moscow's rule and oppression.

Travelocity wrote:

Q: How many Poles does it take to play a game of marbles?
A: All the Poles in Poland, since they're losing their marbles every five minutes.

Q)How many of you Russians are there that can figure out that not all people of a nation have the same opinion?

A) Not many.

Travelocity wrote:

Q: How many Poles does it take to play a game of marbles?
A: All the Poles in Poland, since they're losing their marbles every five minutes.

Vermont is the unsophisticated backwater of New England - what Alabama or Mississippi are to the South. Go soak your marbles in Maple Syrup, Travelocity!

Alex wrote:

Poland and Kaczynski have good reason to be paranoid about Russia because of past experience of Imperialist Russia and Soviets occupying and forcing them into their sphere of influence. What reason does Russia have to be paranoid about a U.S. missile base designed for protection against Iran, in which Russia has been told repeatedly that the U.S. and EU are not concerned with them. The Russian paranoia couldn't be because of past deeds committed against the Poles that makes them worry that they could be a target of revenge. This of course won't happen but it is evident in Russian politics that the reason they are afraid of NATO expanding to their neighbors is because their neighbors do not look back fondly of their days under Moscow's rule and oppression.

Maybe that the US should provide Poland with cheap gas too, instead of missiles that nobody needs.
That way Poland could turn its back on Russia once and for all, instead of constantly whining and bitting the hand that feeds it!

Travelocity wrote:

Maybe he'll include in his negotiations with Washington to free his American relative Ted Kaczynski and start a Polish unibomber campaign to scare the hell out of the populace into thinking the KGB is behind it and backing the missile shield 100%.

You gotta admit those Polish criminals have some good tricks of their sleaves and are tough to find and usually take a long time to get caught, as in Unabomber Ted Kasczinski or the Iceman Richard Kuklinski. But frankly maybe it would be better to just send those types of Poles to Russia to do their thing. lol

Robespierre wrote:

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Maybe that the US should provide Poland with cheap gas too, instead of missiles that nobody needs.
That way Poland could turn its back on Russia once and for all, instead of constantly whining and bitting the hand that feeds it!

OH HERE WE GO AGAIN with your nonsense about Russia "feeding" Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe.

I didn't see West Germany, France, Britain or Italy complaining that Russia was not "feeding them" during the Soviet era. Those West European nations didn't seem too jealous of Eastern Europe and the marvelous treatment they were getting from Soviet Russia.

Abe wrote:

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OH HERE WE GO AGAIN with your nonsense about Russia "feeding" Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe.
I didn't see West Germany, France, Britain or Italy complaining that Russia was not "feeding them" during the Soviet era. Those West European nations didn't seem too jealous of Eastern Europe and the marvelous treatment they were getting from Soviet Russia.

No, but after the end of the Soviet Union and until recently ex-Warsaw Pact countries were receiving their energy supply at a preferential price from Russia. A fact that seems to have escaped them when shunning Moscow and courting Washington instead.

Western Europe always paid the market price.

Robespierre wrote:

For all his idiosyncracy, in fact Jaroslaw Kaczynski is maybe doing a great service to all the countries in the EU in blocking the recognition of the Lisbon Treaty by refusing to sign it.
This reworked "Constitution" is pushed down the throat of Europeans who are not consulted about it, in a scandalous bit of skulduggery that has nothing to do with democratic rights but sounds like a putsh led by self-appointed Euro-commissars, most of them failed politicians.

Holy Cow! I can't believe my eyes. YOU.... of all people - can find something you agree with Jaroslaw Kaczynski on????

Well I guess pigs can fly afterall LOL

Abe wrote:

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Holy Cow! I can't believe my eyes. YOU.... of all people - can find something you agree with Jaroslaw Kaczynski on????
Well I guess pigs can fly afterall LOL

Anyone who can do a demolition job on the EU has my approval. That institution stinks - just like NATO.

Robespierre wrote:

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Anyone who can do a demolition job on the EU has my approval. That institution stinks - just like NATO.

What What What What????... MISTER Robespiere????

Call me crazy, but weren't you critical of Poles like Jaroslaw Kaczynski for butting heads with the EU Big Shots??

I thought you were very pro-EU?.....and I thought you didn't like those Poles (and others) who were critical of the EU. Didn't you consider Poland to be the bad boy of the EU not long ago? LOL

So your position on the EU has changed in the last 6 months?

Abe wrote:

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What What What What????... MISTER Robespiere????
Call me crazy, but weren't you critical of Poles like Jaroslaw Kaczynski for butting heads with the EU Big Shots??
I thought you were very pro-EU?.....and I thought you didn't like those Poles (and others) who were critical of the EU. Didn't you consider Poland to be the bad boy of the EU not long ago? LOL
So your position on the EU has changed in the last 6 months?

My opposition to Poland and Jaroslaw Kaczynski come from the fact that a) they have been insulting to other European countries, b) they deliberatly sabotaged the Russia-EU relations which were improving.

Poland has tried to wresttle more influence in the EU and to dicrease Germany's influence within the organisation. Jaroslaw Kaczynski has made hostile comments towards Germany, forgetting that within the EU, Germany was the largest contributor to the budget and Poland the main recipient of subsidies!

Poland, like the Baltics, has been playing the 'solidarity card' within the EU to solve their long-lasting quarrels and doing so, damaged relations between Western Europe and Russia.

Robespierre wrote:

For all his idiosyncracy, in fact Jaroslaw Kaczynski is maybe doing a great service to all the countries in the EU in blocking the recognition of the Lisbon Treaty by refusing to sign it.
This reworked "Constitution" is pushed down the throat of Europeans who are not consulted about it, in a scandalous bit of skulduggery that has nothing to do with democratic rights but sounds like a putsh led by self-appointed Euro-commissars, most of them failed politicians.

You surprise me Robby Boy. For once you have said something sensible. I quite agree. The Lisbon Treaty was designed to introduce the main elements of an EU Consitution, but without the risk of any public vote on the issue. Some democracy! The only country that was allowed to vote on the Treaty rejected it. Interestingly enough immediately following the announcement of the results of the referendum, both the French President and Mr Barroso of the Commission stated that the Irish vote changes nothing and the Treaty will nevertheless be ratified, but without Ireland. What total arrogance and disregard these people have for the democratic process! To add insult to injury opinion polls carried out in most EU member states suggested that the majority of EU nations would have voted like the Irish against the Treaty given the chance.
In my opinion the problem is not one specifically of what the Treaty or Constitution proposed (which I mostly would go along with), but rather how the unelected EU Commission tried to force the Constitution and Treaty down the throats of EU nations without any real attempt to explain what it was about and why it is necessary. Furthermore, since both proposals relate to transfering elements of national sovereignty to Brussles it goes without saying that the EU nations need to obtain the explicit acceptance of such changes from their respective populations.
The Irish were quite right to vote as they did and to remind the Commission who, at the end of the day, really should have the right to decide the future of Europe.

Robespierre wrote:

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Maybe that the US should provide Poland with cheap gas too, instead of missiles that nobody needs.
That way Poland could turn its back on Russia once and for all, instead of constantly whining and bitting the hand that feeds it!

Russia no more feeds Poland than it does the rest of Europe. And it is not just Poland biting Russia's hand - most other European states are extremely worried about Russian intentions - not least the Brits. Haven't you noticed the mad scramble among EU nations to diversify energy sources and reduce dependency on Russian energy? So the Poles are thinking along the same lines as mainstream European nations. They just have the unfortunate luck to have a border with the Ruskies and are therefore first to feel the effects of Russia's agressive energy policy.
Certainly Poland should host the US missiles in the light of recent Russian behaviour and its retreat from democracy. The stationing of US missiles in Poland is a clear signal to the Ruskies regarding where the "line in the sand" is now drawn.
It's not a question of the Poles moaning and wining as you claim - but rather your Russian mates moaning and wining. They simply cannot adjust to the reality that they have now little influnce in the countries they once occupied. Had they behaved better to their neighbours the situation would be different. The Ruskies only have themselves to blame.

Abe wrote:

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Holy Cow! I can't believe my eyes. YOU.... of all people - can find something you agree with Jaroslaw Kaczynski on????
Well I guess pigs can fly afterall LOL

Truly amazing eh?:o )

Robespierre wrote:

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My opposition to Poland and Jaroslaw Kaczynski come from the fact that a) they have been insulting to other European countries, b) they deliberatly sabotaged the Russia-EU relations which were improving.
Poland has tried to wresttle more influence in the EU and to dicrease Germany's influence within the organisation. Jaroslaw Kaczynski has made hostile comments towards Germany, forgetting that within the EU, Germany was the largest contributor to the budget and Poland the main recipient of subsidies!
Poland, like the Baltics, has been playing the 'solidarity card' within the EU to solve their long-lasting quarrels and doing so, damaged relations between Western Europe and Russia.

I see you are quick to revert to fantasy and nonsense when challenged. Nothing has changed. EU Russian relations were deteriorating long before Poland's arguments appeared. In fact EU Russian relations deteriorated because of Putin and his policies and this had nothing to do with Poland. Putin is exclusively responsible for the current state of affairs.