Peruvian cardinal's policy: Communion kneeling, on the tongue

The Cardinal wants to go back to 40 years ago to make sure that he holds on to his power....kneeling for communion...to make sure that he,s above us in all ways !!!! and to receive communion on the tongue with that swine flu virus A1H1...he has to be crazy...getting crazier by the minute because he sees that he,s losing his grip on the Peruvians !!!!!

That is a most beautiful tradition

Cardinal Juan Luis Cipriani of Lima, Peru, is a disgrace to Peru and to humanity. A man with little shame who has hidden the sexual abuses rampant in the Roman Catholic church in Peru, Cipriani has created an illusion of the past that does not fit with history. Never apologizing for the mass slaughter of Incans or slaves from Africa or China by the loathesome Franciscan and Dominican monks that helped spread sexual diseases along with the Spanish conquerers, this nefarious prelate would undo Vatican II and the good work of John XXIII who has far greater credibility as a saint than those who followed, especially the German Benedict XVI. Cardinal Juan Luis Cipriani of Lima, Peru, has one goal: to become the first Latin American pope, and living in Peru I can affirm first hand he would restore the Inquisition and make the world a worse place than it is. Cipriani is neither an intellectual in any sense of the word, nor is he a man of faith for he regards outward expressions of piety while overlooking the odious opportunism of some of Peru's greatest gangsters: from Alan Garcia Perez whose runaway inflation shot past 7000% to Albert Fujimori's dictatorial policies of murdering students and teachers who opposed him while robbing the national treasury to give $15 million to his spy chief and millions more to his family, especially Congressita Keiko Fujimori and her brother to attend universities in the USA. It is miscreants like Cardinal Juan Luis Cipriani of Lima, Peru, who would see Keiko elected to the presidency to pardon her criminal father and destroy what little there is of democracy in this South American nation. Cardinal Juan Luis Cipriani of Lima, Peru, should be arrested and removed from Peru as an agent of a foreign nation (Vatican City) intent on destroying what democracy exists, and pushing the people back into days of superstition that is now more in vogue with the evangelicals than the Roman Catholics.

Briamdo wrote:

That is a most beautiful tradition

This tradition is based on slavery forced on the faithful in the darkest days of the Middle Ages--to base the laity beneath the dead hand of the church, or requiring oral sex from boys, girls, and women. There is no biblical support for such a barbaric practice and it is humiliating to think of any hand that one does not know if it was hygenically cleaned putting food into another person's mouth. This custom should be outlawed by all democratic nations.

arthur_ide wrote:

Cardinal Juan Luis Cipriani of Lima, Peru, is a disgrace to Peru and to humanity. A man with little shame who has hidden the sexual abuses rampant in the Roman Catholic church in Peru, Cipriani has created an illusion of the past that does not fit with history. Never apologizing for the mass slaughter of Incans or slaves from Africa or China by the loathesome Franciscan and Dominican monks that helped spread sexual diseases along with the Spanish conquerers, this nefarious prelate would undo Vatican II and the good work of John XXIII who has far greater credibility as a saint than those who followed, especially the German Benedict XVI. Cardinal Juan Luis Cipriani of Lima, Peru, has one goal: to become the first Latin American pope, and living in Peru I can affirm first hand he would restore the Inquisition and make the world a worse place than it is. Cipriani is neither an intellectual in any sense of the word, nor is he a man of faith for he regards outward expressions of piety while overlooking the odious opportunism of some of Peru's greatest gangsters: from Alan Garcia Perez whose runaway inflation shot past 7000% to Albert Fujimori's dictatorial policies of murdering students and teachers who opposed him while robbing the national treasury to give $15 million to his spy chief and millions more to his family, especially Congressita Keiko Fujimori and her brother to attend universities in the USA. It is miscreants like Cardinal Juan Luis Cipriani of Lima, Peru, who would see Keiko elected to the presidency to pardon her criminal father and destroy what little there is of democracy in this South American nation. Cardinal Juan Luis Cipriani of Lima, Peru, should be arrested and removed from Peru as an agent of a foreign nation (Vatican City) intent on destroying what democracy exists, and pushing the people back into days of superstition that is now more in vogue with the evangelicals than the Roman Catholics.

Let me quess.
You actually BELIEVE all this horse-shit.
You should be sharing a padded room with Alan or maybe for recreation or exercise to get rid of those hidden hostilities you should grow coca with the 100 or so sendero left in an obscure valley NE of Lima. Sorry, I can't give you the exact adress because Rambone the warrior said it was classified.

Istead of hiding in Miami, a city that no longer has many Americans but houses the criminal element from Battista's Cuba, and other wanna-bes, come to Peru and see reality. Peru, at best, is a theocracy on the order of 15th century Spain, and racism is alive and well here, with the criminal element murdering citizens as well as tourists regularly (the most "surprising" assassination was of a man from South Africa) while cameras film the atrocities and the "police" do nothing but carry statues through the streets and praise the worse cardinal in RC history. Garcia is loco--si--but coca is outlawed and burned daily--yet the mountain people chew the leaves--not to get high, but to relax tensions. It is refined coca that makes cocaine--not the leaves chewed raw--but here, the very wealthiest in the nation who are keeping it a satrape for their children chew it openly, and the caste system is alive and working--much like the government under the corrupt coup junta in Honduras. You need to get a life, read real newscasts and forget the distortions of FoxNews. Religion is destroying this once proud land: go to Chiclayo and see how the gullible fed, gave life savings, etc. to an evangelica extremist to build his tower of ignorance--that tower--across from Plaza Vea is now in court litigation and the audacity of the "pastor" is constant in begging for more soles, while the Mormons are the new 7-11 store--building empty churches on nearly every other corner--to attract converts not with messages of faith but basketball courts and other diversions so they can corrupt minds claiming Jesus and Satan are brothers, and that Jesus walked the earth of the Americas since he never died in Jerusalem.

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Please, let’s leave Battista out of this for the moment.
There is a saying about Peruanos being “a people between the sword and the wall” and it has been that way since the first sword arrived in Peru. Chiclayo is a very cool place just don’t be downtown at night, they have pastileros AND piranas. The cebicherias every day compete for your attention and the one sol lunch. There is genuine Peruvian 18K red gold cheap and the little girls go to all those churches that you speak so highly of. At night you should go to the casino or Lambayequi. There is a local named Sipan who owns the whole joint. He was there before Pissaro was taking advantage of Attawalpa. I believe he was Moche.
Please tell me if you are a Christian or atheist and maybe a little about yourself.

Arther you are one strange critter.
I thought you would answer my invitation to talk about Peru but instead you were wandering around, bewildered. Now I see that you are in another thread posting every 15 minutes trying to figure out wether Jesus is alive or not.
The point is that in these forums when you bring up a subject, you don't just wander off.

Gringo wrote:

Please, let’s leave Battista out of this for the moment.
There is a saying about Peruanos being “a people between the sword and the wall” and it has been that way since the first sword arrived in Peru. Chiclayo is a very cool place just don’t be downtown at night, they have pastileros AND piranas. The cebicherias every day compete for your attention and the one sol lunch. There is genuine Peruvian 18K red gold cheap and the little girls go to all those churches that you speak so highly of. At night you should go to the casino or Lambayequi. There is a local named Sipan who owns the whole joint. He was there before Pissaro was taking advantage of Attawalpa. I believe he was Moche.
Please tell me if you are a Christian or atheist and maybe a little about yourself.

You know next to nothing about Chiclayo (and the province name is spelled Lambayeque (with a final e). It is dangerous, true--but not as dangerous as Lima--but Peru, like all poor third world nations has little work for too many people as the churches in their continued ignorance and desire for more soles (not sol) want pregnant women to carry a fetus to term which will make them more poor and more desperate for a livelihood and thus turn to counterfeiting and robbery and murder and prostitution, etc. Peru sells off its anchovies to get foreign investment, so it is difficult and expensive for Peruanos to eat what was a traditional part of their deit--as 98% of all means of wealth is in the hands of less than 2% of the people, thus the people work 12 to 16 hours a day 7 days a week (some fortunate ones work 6 days; some fewer hours).

The women go to any building claiming to be a church in desperation to get out of the drudgery of life, and suicides are common, especially if they find themselves pregnant. Hunger is common, but it is stilled by eating mountains of rice as it is cheap.

Your knowledge of Peru and its history is startling weak. Sipán is the name of a large Moche culture administrative and religious center, located in the lower Lambayeque Valley on the northern coast of Peru. The site, likely occupied between about 200 and 800 AD, consists of three adobe pyramids and other features such as ramps and platforms. Discovered in the 1980s when it was being looted, the site has since been excavated under the direction of Walter Alva, director of the Museo Regional Arqueológico 'Enrique Bruning' de Lambayeque.

The city of Sipan is among the poorest, about 45 minutes north of Chiclayo. However there is a Universidad de Senor de Sipan outside of Chiclayo near Pimentel--but it is a school that was created and is operated by one man who hopes to be president of the nation someday under his own party. It is a better school than Catolica, but not well known, but its campus is ever expanding. What it lacks, like all schools in Peru, is an adequate library--and what books exist are copies--most missing pages or even chapters that are in the original, although at Catolica and other church schools, the church removes offensive pages and chapters--continuing the censorship of the nefarious Dominicans, Augustinians, and Franciscans who led the Inquisition in Peru.

Gringo wrote:

Arther you are one strange critter.
I thought you would answer my invitation to talk about Peru but instead you were wandering around, bewildered. Now I see that you are in another thread posting every 15 minutes trying to figure out wether Jesus is alive or not.
The point is that in these forums when you bring up a subject, you don't just wander off.

Actually I joined this post in hopes of some discussion, but not seeing one, went to the ones on Jesus, for the christian posters are speaking with no knowledge of history or the ancient languages, but repeat Sunday School evangelical nonsense that history rejected centuries ago. There is still the absurd idea that Jesus founded the Roman Catholic church, which to my shame I admit I actually wrote my first thesis about, but when studying the Greek and Roman civil records, it is clear that the church did not exist until the Emperor Constantine created it at Nicea in an effort to stop the warring bishops from continuing to slaughter other congregations. Christianity was legalized but not made the state religion until the end of the fourth century--at which time the church became the persecutor--and from this beginning created in the fifth century the seeds for the Inquisition which ultimately led to the invasion of Peru, the slaughter of the Incas, the erasure of a people who were raped by Spaniards carrying syphlis and other sexual diseases and then were unceremoniously dispatched by sword and musket. Whole villages were destroyed in the quest for gold, and the "white" spaniards became overlords--and as their greed grew, they brought in black slaves, and then chinese slaves. The history of Peru has always been troubled, but the majority of the crimes against the people of Peru have always been by the church: first Roman Catholic and now the Protestant evangelical extremists who preach only Old Testament hate and seem never to have heard of the NT.

Are they still nailing up their little brothers for Easter in Peru??

Gringo wrote:

Please, let’s leave Battista out of this for the moment.
There is a saying about Peruanos being “a people between the sword and the wall” and it has been that way since the first sword arrived in Peru. Chiclayo is a very cool place just don’t be downtown at night, they have pastileros AND piranas. The cebicherias every day compete for your attention and the one sol lunch. There is genuine Peruvian 18K red gold cheap and the little girls go to all those churches that you speak so highly of. At night you should go to the casino or Lambayequi. There is a local named Sipan who owns the whole joint. He was there before Pissaro was taking advantage of Attawalpa. I believe he was Moche.
Please tell me if you are a Christian or atheist and maybe a little about yourself.

Who or what I am is not important, as what is important is what I do now, what I learn and keep on learning. Education stops when the mind and heart dies. My education has little value to me now (and none to Peru, as I am denied the privilege of teaching even though I have more than one earned doctorate (my education is wide and from numerous nations) and have written had had legitimate presses publish over 500 different titles [in Peru "authors" are self-published for the most part, which would never be accepted in a First World nation] and am fluent in over 36 ancient languages that I use daily [I tried to offer my services but was told I was "overeducated" (SENATI) and "too old" (Catolica, Sr Sipan, San Martin de Porres, etc] although my last books are on English grammar, spelling, pronunciation, etc. and write books on business, negotiations, stress and anger management, etc), so I sit with my dogs and respond on the internet. Is that enough?

arthur_ide wrote:

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...speaking with no knowledge of history or the ancient languages, but repeat Sunday School evangelical nonsense that history rejected centuries ago.

You must have missed my posts. Read Ishmael yet? B?

So, why can't you teach in Peru?

Robby wrote:

Are they still nailing up their little brothers for Easter in Peru??

That barbaric action takes place regularly, not only on Easter, but on other "ferial days" such as Santa Rosa (patroness of Lima and Peru) and El Senor de Milagros (Lord of Miracles) where people of all ages carry crosses, whip themselves with frenzied brutality, and willingly shed their blood in imitation of a myth. This "crucifixion" legend is as old as time, from the days of Prometheus (Herodotus gives us a unique look at it at the conclusion of HISTORIES, BOOK IX (120-121), the execution in about 479BCE of a traitor; "they nailed him to a plank and hung him up...this Artacytus who suffered death by crucifixion.") through the Roman Empire and beyond. Crucifixion was in use particularly among the Persians, Seleucids, Carthaginians, and Romans from about the 6th century BC to the 4th century AD, when in the year 337 Emperor Constantine I abolished it in his empire--with Christian apologists claiming that the emperor did it out of veneration for Jesus--totally untrue (See: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14750495 ). The emperor created the christian church to stop the warring factions of bishops from continued genocide, and himself was "baptise" (washed) while lay dying. His mother (St Helena) was hardly holy--being one of the most outspoke proponents of torture, and only legend has it that she found holy relics, etc.

While Paul of Tarsus writing in Galatians 3:13 claimed crucifixion was an act dating back to Moses, there is no theological or historical basis of it (but then Paul never existed) for Paul's conjecture is based on Deuteronomy 21:22-23. Ancient Jewish law allowed only 4 methods of execution: stoning, burning, strangulation, and decapitation. Crucifixion was thus forbidden. See: See Mishnah, Sanhedrin 7:1, translated in Jacob Neusner, The Mishnah: A New Translation 591 (1988), supra note 8, at 595-96 (indicating that court ordered execution by stoning, burning, decapitation, or strangulation only). There is only a single archaeological discovery of a crucified body dating back to the Roman Empire around the time of Jesus. The remains were found accidentally in an ossuary with the crucified man’s name on it,'Yehohanan, the son of Hagakol'. See: Haas, Nicu.“Anthropological observations on the skeletal remains from Giv’at ha-Mivtar”, Israel Exploration Journal 20 (1-2), 1970: 38-59; Tzaferis, Vassilios. "Crucifixion – The Archaeological Evidence", Biblical Archaeology Review 11, February, 1985: 44–53; Zias, Joseph. "The Crucified Man from Giv’at Ha-Mivtar: A Reappraisal", Israel Exploration Journal 35 (1), 1985: 22–27; Hengel, Martin. Crucifixion in the ancient world and the folly of the message of the cross (Augsburg Fortress, 1977).

Latin Roman Catholics are not taught church history, nor are seminarians, save an anticeptised version that has little to do with history or science. The absurdies continue under the current archbishop of Lima, among the most illiterate churchmen in South America. Jesus was a myth.

Gringo wrote:

So, why can't you teach in Peru?

I am told that I am "too old", and have written too many books. But I did teach for two years for a private institute in Lima (that never paid me) and taught executives at Bachus, Banco Continentel, Merck, CALSA (Fleishman's Yeast), Oracle, Motorola, BancoSudamerica (now ScotiaBank), etc--but English (which is terrible here, as the "teachers" of English (1) no little to no grammar,(2) are hired only because they are either native born Americans or worked in the USA [I had an oriental chap also teach at CALSA and daily he would come in and ask me rudimentary questions on the language, or say something such as "It is wet outside"--and I responded "do you mean it is misting? or raining?" but at the Institute I taught at, the Academic Dean/Foundress' daughters (both going to University of Boston, would tell my students "grammar don't no matter never how" and their mother would instruct me to write letters of recommendation for their job placement at HSBC, etc.], and I was told that I had "too much education" (for what it is worth, which is nothing since no man or woman stops studying until he or she dies), I have more than one earned doctorate in more than one field, and have published hundreds of books and articles, but that makes me unqualified for any of my specialties--although I was instructed to teach doctors and psychiatrists (in English) their own specialties. I especially enjoyed the work at Illinois-Owens, where teaching was a task as learning was "an occasional sport". Newton School did offer me an opportunity--but my bus fare from San Miguel would have been more than the S/.500 a month (about $170).

bus fare is around 50 centavos and with about one tranfer per trip to la molina makes a monthly cost of about 40 soles. I know many "old fart" gringos who teach all over peru.They are absolutely in heaven with all the young girls who want to learn english.

Gringo wrote:

bus fare is around 50 centavos and with about one tranfer per trip to la molina makes a monthly cost of about 40 soles. I know many "old fart" gringos who teach all over peru.They are absolutely in heaven with all the young girls who want to learn english.

It must have been a long time since you were in Lima. It is now S/.2; in Chiclayo it is S/.1.50, and not all of us "old farts" want "young girls" (or boys) but want to teach correct English: grammar, spelling, composition, etc. There are a lot of "gringoes" (it comes from the Mexicans who saw the Yankees invade Old Mexico in green uniforms and shouted grin [green]- go] throughout Peru, yes, and 99% are totally unqualified to teach English as a language, and have no talent at pronunciation. For example, in Chiclayo at EIGER the professor pointed to his neck and said "neeeee-k", few know that a final e is silent in almost all cases, and requires the preceding vowel to say its name, and most still argue there are only 5 vowels (which makes me wonder how they pronounce such words as cry, dry, fry, as well as mystery (misterio) in the English language. Few understand the eight steps for an adjective, and I have yet to meet one "professor" who can diagram a sentence or show how it can help Peruanos learn the language rapidly--but then I do have a doctorate in the language unlike anyone else I have met. This is even true at FDR and Newton in La Molina, worse at San Agustin, and impossible at ICPNA. But, even at S/.2 a bus ride (one way; S/.4 up and back) that is still S/.80 - S/.160 a month, and on S/.500 a month, that leaves little for books, supplies (both are in short supply at all schools in Peru where most "books" are illegal photocopies with pages and chapters missing, and it is up to the professor to supply the material or attempt to teach without it/them. I spend S/.500 a month on materials for my private students--and my pension (being old) is small, telephone bills are high (S/.300 average), utilities high (S/.250 average), and while food is cheaper--it is not free. As for medical attention--it is less expensive than in the USA, but San Gabriel charges S/.400 a night for a "private" room (you share it), and to see a heart specialist starts at S/.400 (even at San Judeo Thaddeus) and I have had quadruple bypass insurance. Public schools cannot, by law, hire me, as on my CE it forbids employment as I am a "resident foreigner" and thus cannot even secure health insurance. But it was fun thinking about helping the students--but then, most work after school, and in Peru the parents work 12 or more (usually the latter) hours a day, 6 days a week.

What do you think the high- low income range is for these parents?