Janjua Rajput Warrior

Central District, Hong Kong

#368 Jul 10, 2012
Don wrote:
<quoted text>
Muslim Rajput and Muslim Brahmin is a bullshit created by Indians ! LOL. All Muslim Rajputs and Jats know about their Hindu ancestor. So Indians do not need to tell them about their ancestry. Islam came in India only in 711. Most people converted to Islam in Delhi Sultnat period, so their descendants still know about their Hindu forefathers. Read about Muslim jats and Muslim Rajputs in Wikipedia.
Mr Don i dont know about you. you belong to rajput or jaat please dont use dirty word aginset any one evry Clans Tribes and Khandan is respcetable good and bad people in ever soceity i think u belong to good family respcet evrybody thanks

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#369 Jul 10, 2012
Don wrote:
In fact these invaders pitted our own people against us after converting them to Islam.
Oh dear oh dear ....is that very very true.

Islam destroyed,Islam plundered and Islam left the sub continent with an identity crisis...you can see it play in full force in Fineline!
Don

Delhi, India

#370 Jul 10, 2012
Janjua Rajput Warrior wrote:
<quoted text>Mr Don i dont know about you. you belong to rajput or jaat please dont use dirty word aginset any one evry Clans Tribes and Khandan is respcetable good and bad people in ever soceity i think u belong to good family respcet evrybody thanks
Brother, I not using any dirty word either for Rajput or Jaat or any other clan. I have a great respect for these Arayan clans. I was just replying to "Fact" who thinks that Muslim Rajput, Muslim Jat etc. are bullshit created by Indians.
Janjua Rajput Warrior

Central District, Hong Kong

#371 Jul 10, 2012
VEER Don your real good human Being this is my feel. But you alwys good think about an other peoples. First respcet Every Priwar Khandan Clans and Tribes what ever Muslim Hindu and other this is our duty in our both country culture India and Pakistan takes care ur self

Since: Jul 12

Manchester, UK

#372 Jul 10, 2012
Fact wrote:
Muslim Rajput
Muslim Baman
Muslim Jat
..........etc
All of these are bullshit, created by Indians to devide the pakistanis
A Muslim Is only Muslim
It's childish to blame Indians or anyone else for dividing Muslims. Who has divided Shias/Sunnis, Barelwis/Deobandis, Wahabis/Malikis/hanafis etc....the list is long. It's not Indians or neither Westerners we have been divided into sects for centuries.

"A MUSLIM IS ONLY MUSLIM" An idealistic statement but it doesn't exist practically as Pathans don't intermarry with Balochis, Jats don't intermarry with Gujjars, Rajputs don't intermarry outside their clan so where is this golden principle that MUSLIM IS ONLY A MUSLIM. Whenever the realities start staring at us we hide behind the mask of the word MUSLIM. Mr FACT don't just use this nick for topix purposes try to face FACTS in practical sense as well.

Since: Jul 12

Manchester, UK

#373 Jul 10, 2012
Don wrote:
1-- These chamchas of Arabs and Turks will always speak like this. If Muslim's only identity is his religion, why then there is so many sects and tribes of Muslims ? Why Arabs consider themselves superior to the Muslims of this sub continent ?

2-- Can a Indian Muslim can marry an Arab women ?

3--In fact these invaders pitted our own people against us after converting them to Islam.
1-- Agreed.

2-- Nor you can marry neither you can attain nationality of any Arab country even on the basis of Muslim brotherhood.

3-- NOP... this is not correct we were pitted against one another by the last invaders on the Subcontinent by the Britishers (and I don't blame them looking from their point of interests). All the Hindu Muslim battles that took place prior to British were between the invading Muslims and Hindu/Sikh kings. Abdali, Ghazni, Babur, Akbar, Aurangzeb, Ghori, Qasim none of them were the natives. The native Muslims themselves were screwed up by these invaders.
Nazir

Donvale, Australia

#374 Jul 10, 2012
-YAZ been here b4- wrote:
<quoted text>
1-- Agreed.
2-- Nor you can marry neither you can attain nationality of any Arab country even on the basis of Muslim brotherhood.
3-- NOP... this is not correct we were pitted against one another by the last invaders on the Subcontinent by the Britishers (and I don't blame them looking from their point of interests). All the Hindu Muslim battles that took place prior to British were between the invading Muslims and Hindu/Sikh kings. Abdali, Ghazni, Babur, Akbar, Aurangzeb, Ghori, Qasim none of them were the natives. The native Muslims themselves were screwed up by these invaders.
twaddeh sahee gal kehnde o
Don

Delhi, India

#375 Jul 11, 2012
-YAZ been here b4- wrote:
<quoted text>
1-- Agreed.
2-- Nor you can marry neither you can attain nationality of any Arab country even on the basis of Muslim brotherhood.
3-- NOP... this is not correct we were pitted against one another by the last invaders on the Subcontinent by the Britishers (and I don't blame them looking from their point of interests). All the Hindu Muslim battles that took place prior to British were between the invading Muslims and Hindu/Sikh kings. Abdali, Ghazni, Babur, Akbar, Aurangzeb, Ghori, Qasim none of them were the natives. The native Muslims themselves were screwed up by these invaders.
Islamic invaders not only killed our people and captured our land, but also enslaved them and forced them to accept Islam. In this way they raised a large force of followers, who were there slaves. They divided this sub continent in two warring religions for ever. British only exploited this weakness of ours. They followed the 'divide and rule Policy' and they were largely successful in that. Alamma Iqbal, who wrote "Sare jahan se accha...." became the progenitor of Pakistan.

I know that native Muslims want peace. They have been living hear for centuries even before the advent of Islam to the sub continent. Though they follow a different religion, culturally and ethnically they are similar to Hindus.
Don

Delhi, India

#377 Jul 13, 2012
Most of the Arab and Turk invaders were cowards and weak and they got the victory in this sub continent with the help of local people. They got the benefit from the fights of local kings among themselves.

Muhamad Bin Qasim was lucky and without much effort he got the help of many strong Jat and Med warriors, who were against king Dahir. This was the main reason behind his victory in Sindh. Dahir lost because one of his Brahmin pandit ditched him and gave all the secret information to Muhammad. Some Buddhists monks also helped him. After his his victory Muhammad bin Qashim did not give any reward either to Jats and Meds or that Brahmin Pujari of the Dahir. He enslaved every one and forced them to convert to Islam. Buddhists were hopping that Muhammad will go back after defeating Dahir, but it did not happen. Buddhist temples were also demolished and they were also forced to convert.

Mahmood Ghajnavi also recruited many local people in his army. He had a Hindu general named Tilak in his army. In his war with Raja Anandpal his army was about to loss the war, when at that crucial moment, an elephant Anandpal suddenly changed his course and stamped its own army.

Muhammad Ghori was basically a coward and a looser for most of time in his career. He was bitten in his expedition to Gujrat by a women, Naiki Devi, the the mother of king Bhimdev, who was then a child. Ghori's army was crushed by Rajput army of Naiki Devi. Ghori fled with his remaining army and never dared to look back to Gujrat in his life. latter in 1194 his general and heir Kutubuddhin Aibak got a crushing defeat in Gujrat by king Bhimdev. Shahabuddhin Ghori could captured Multan with the help of king of Jammu Vijay Dev. He was defeated in first war of Tarain by Prithviraj and got pardoned by him. But Ghori was a shameless crook who came back next year with full preparation and attacked Prithviraj's unprepared army at night.
Nazir

Donvale, Australia

#378 Jul 13, 2012
Don wrote:
Most of the Arab and Turk invaders were cowards and weak and they got the victory in this sub continent with the help of local people. They got the benefit from the fights of local kings among themselves.
Muhamad Bin Qasim was lucky and without much effort he got the help of many strong Jat and Med warriors, who were against king Dahir. This was the main reason behind his victory in Sindh. Dahir lost because one of his Brahmin pandit ditched him and gave all the secret information to Muhammad. Some Buddhists monks also helped him. After his his victory Muhammad bin Qashim did not give any reward either to Jats and Meds or that Brahmin Pujari of the Dahir. He enslaved every one and forced them to convert to Islam. Buddhists were hopping that Muhammad will go back after defeating Dahir, but it did not happen. Buddhist temples were also demolished and they were also forced to convert.
Mahmood Ghajnavi also recruited many local people in his army. He had a Hindu general named Tilak in his army. In his war with Raja Anandpal his army was about to loss the war, when at that crucial moment, an elephant Anandpal suddenly changed his course and stamped its own army.
Muhammad Ghori was basically a coward and a looser for most of time in his career. He was bitten in his expedition to Gujrat by a women, Naiki Devi, the the mother of king Bhimdev, who was then a child. Ghori's army was crushed by Rajput army of Naiki Devi. Ghori fled with his remaining army and never dared to look back to Gujrat in his life. latter in 1194 his general and heir Kutubuddhin Aibak got a crushing defeat in Gujrat by king Bhimdev. Shahabuddhin Ghori could captured Multan with the help of king of Jammu Vijay Dev. He was defeated in first war of Tarain by Prithviraj and got pardoned by him. But Ghori was a shameless crook who came back next year with full preparation and attacked Prithviraj's unprepared army at night.
didnt Ghaznavi also rape Prithviraj's wife ?
Don

Delhi, India

#379 Jul 13, 2012
I wonder what Pakistani Janjua Rajputs think when Pakistan Praises Mahmood Ghaznavi and names its missile "Ghazni". Mahmood was the main enemy of there ancestors of Hindu Shahi. Raja Jaypal Dev, who was a brave king fought fiercely with Mahmood's army but got defeated. He could not accept this defeat and burn himself on a funeral pier. His son Anandpal was also brave and he decided to the avenge from Mahmood. His army fought bravely and was winning the battle, when at that crucial moment an elephant of the king changed the course and stamped his army. One of the king of this Hindushahi, Raja Azmal Dev converted to Islam.
Don

Allahabad, India

#380 Jul 13, 2012
Nazir wrote:
<quoted text> didnt Ghaznavi also rape Prithviraj's wife ?
It does not seem possible that Ghori would have raped Sanyukta as ladies never used to go to battle fields. War took place at Tarain, 150 km awaay from Prithviraj's palace. Sanyukta with other Rajput ladies performed "Jauhar" after the defeat of Rajput army. Ghori captured Prithviraj and blinded him. He was later executed in Afghanistan.

The historian Firdausi who wrote Shahnama was the "chamcha" of Ghori, he praised Ghori and exaggerated the figure of Prithviraj's army. Most of the sources say that second battle of Tarain was not a fair battle. Ghori had a larger army than Prithviraj. Prithviraj had appealed for the help from other kings and they promised to help him, but Ghori attacked Prithviraj's army before the reinforcement of Prithviraj could reach there. He attacked at night before down, on an unprepared army of Prithviraj. Rajput used to fight from morning to evening. It was an surprise attack on a smaller army.

“Kradvanto Viswam Aryam ”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#381 Jul 13, 2012
Don wrote:
<quoted text>
It does not seem possible that Ghori would have raped Sanyukta as ladies never used to go to battle fields. War took place at Tarain, 150 km awaay from Prithviraj's palace. Sanyukta with other Rajput ladies performed "Jauhar" after the defeat of Rajput army. Ghori captured Prithviraj and blinded him. He was later executed in Afghanistan.
The historian Firdausi who wrote Shahnama was the "chamcha" of Ghori, he praised Ghori and exaggerated the figure of Prithviraj's army. Most of the sources say that second battle of Tarain was not a fair battle. Ghori had a larger army than Prithviraj. Prithviraj had appealed for the help from other kings and they promised to help him, but Ghori attacked Prithviraj's army before the reinforcement of Prithviraj could reach there. He attacked at night before down, on an unprepared army of Prithviraj. Rajput used to fight from morning to evening. It was an surprise attack on a smaller army.
I think Some misconceptions are here . Firdausi was contemporary of Mehmud Ghajanvi not of Muhammad Ghori . About JAUHAR of Sayunkta , you are right .

“Kradvanto Viswam Aryam ”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#382 Jul 13, 2012
-YAZ been here b4- wrote:
<quoted text>
It's childish to blame Indians or anyone else for dividing Muslims. Who has divided Shias/Sunnis, Barelwis/Deobandis, Wahabis/Malikis/hanafis etc....the list is long. It's not Indians or neither Westerners we have been divided into sects for centuries.
"A MUSLIM IS ONLY MUSLIM" An idealistic statement but it doesn't exist practically as Pathans don't intermarry with Balochis, Jats don't intermarry with Gujjars, Rajputs don't intermarry outside their clan so where is this golden principle that MUSLIM IS ONLY A MUSLIM. Whenever the realities start staring at us we hide behind the mask of the word MUSLIM. Mr FACT don't just use this nick for topix purposes try to face FACTS in practical sense as well.
You are right brother , if we Hindu , Muhammadans or Rajputs , jaats etc. look towards our own drawbacks instead others , all conflicts will stop automatically .
shaz

Croydon, UK

#383 Jul 13, 2012
Take a look at recent channel 4 documentary on kashmir and Indias biggest kept secret.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/kashmirs-t...

then you realise hindu sab se bara maderchod.
sherjat

London, UK

#384 Jul 13, 2012
If we realise that in fact there is little difference between us we will not be used by others.

Since: Jul 12

Manchester, UK

#385 Jul 13, 2012
sherjat wrote:
If we realise that in fact there is little difference between us we will not be used by others.
True but we only pay lipservice to this sentiment and don't do anything in practical about it.

Since: Jul 12

Manchester, UK

#386 Jul 13, 2012
yaudheya wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right brother , if we Hindu , Muhammadans or Rajputs , jaats etc. look towards our own drawbacks instead others , all conflicts will stop automatically .
Thanks brother. Although we have many differences but we also have many similarities in our views.
Don

Ghaziabad, India

#387 Jul 13, 2012
yaudheya wrote:
<quoted text>
I think Some misconceptions are here . Firdausi was contemporary of Mehmud Ghajanvi not of Muhammad Ghori . About JAUHAR of Sayunkta , you are right .
Yes you are right Firdausi was the contemporary and 'chamcha' of Mahmood Ghaajnavi, who wrote 'Shahnama'. Farista has written about battle of Tarain.
Don

Ghaziabad, India

#388 Jul 13, 2012
The victories of Arabs and Turks, who were not superior to Aryans in this sub continent proves how divided we were. Though Aryans were mighty, they consumed their energy by fighting among themselves. They did fight with invaders unitedly. Some of our people even sided with them for political or financial gains. They won our land, converted many people to their faith and divided our people in two different ideologies. Ethnically most of the north Indians are same as majority of Pakistanis, but they are divided in two warring groups.

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