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#76
Feb 21, 2013
 
pakistani muslim wrote:
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bhai jan ye sab laws 100 percent hazrat umar ki khalafat mai nafiz thai r ap un sai zyada kamyab saltanat ki masal dai sakte hai jo us kai bad qaim ki gai ho??????
Miyan,
Baat dar asal yeh hai ke yeh sab qawaaneen auraton ke khilaaf hai aur be-insaaf hain. Inse woh nuksaan mein reheti hain!

Tab kya yeh kehena sahi hoga aise qawaaneen ke bawajood Islam auraton ki izzat karta hai?

Ispar sochiye aur ghaur farmaiye!
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Feb 21, 2013
 
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Miyan,
Baat dar asal yeh hai ke yeh sab qawaaneen auraton ke khilaaf hai aur be-insaaf hain. Inse woh nuksaan mein reheti hain!
Tab kya yeh kehena sahi hoga aise qawaaneen ke bawajood Islam auraton ki izzat karta hai?
Ispar sochiye aur ghaur farmaiye!
kn sa qanoon ladies kai khilaf hai
can u tell me

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#78
Feb 21, 2013
 
pakistani muslim wrote:
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kn sa qanoon ladies kai khilaf hai
can u tell me
There are lots of Quranic rulings which discriminate against women, but I'll cite just these two:

(1) Out of dead parents' property, a daughter inherits HALF of what the son inherits .... IS THIS FAIR TO THE DAUGHTER?

(2) At a time, a man can have up to 4 wives, while a woman can only have ONE HUSBAND .... IS THIS TREATING MEN AND WOMEN EQUALLY AND IS THIS FAIR TOWARDS THE WOMAN?

There are many other such points, which are mysoginist and go against a muslim woman's interest.
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Feb 21, 2013
 

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answer f yr first question iz that
larko ko sirf parents ki property mai sai hisa milta hai pr larkyo ko parnts sai bhi r husband sai bhi
to is tarha wo larko kai barabar a jati hai
2nd answer f 2 question
aurat agr 4 shadi kre to nuksan usi ka ho ga us sai zina kai lye to sab tyar hn gai pr koi us ka kharcha nahi uthae ga r jab koi ulad ho gi to wo kis ki ho gi
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r aj europe mai larkya azad hain r sab sai zyada aids udhar hai r sab sai zyada ghalt harkatien bhi udhar hi hoti hain
lekin dosri taraf agr larka shadi kre to agr wo sab kai sath insaf kr raha hai to is sai family life disturb nahi hoti hai
r na hi kabhi larkyan larko kai barabar a sakti hain r na hi larke kabhi larkio kai
har kisi ki different duties hain
r agr koi koi masal do to us ka bhi answer kr daita hn

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#80
Feb 22, 2013
 
The problem with muslims is that they always go about saying tons of words to justify what is in the Quran and the Sharia Laws. They never comment on the underlying basic issue!

Everyone knows a man and a woman are not equal or the same, biologically. On childbirth and certain minor physical aspects men and women differ, but there are vast areas of human life where the two are equal .... this fact is ignored by the muslims! For example, both can be successful authors, both can deal with financial matters efficiently, in creativity and in education both can be excel equally. I can go on and on, but I think I've made my point.

In view of the above, laws should be drafted to treat men and women equally and Islam fails on this count.

Returning to the Quranic rule on inheritance from parents' properties,with reference to what "pakistani muslim" has written, treating a son and a daughter differently is wrong! I mean, the woman may be divorced, her husband might die or simply be poor. But crucial is the point that parents love their children equally, so their wealth too should be distributed equally amongst their sons and daughters..... On this matter, modern Western and Indian laws are more equitable and superior to Islamic Sharia laws. Whereas modern societies have evolved with time, Islamic laws have stood still for the last 1450 years, completely inappropriate for today's conditions!

The response of "pakistani muslim" on the issue of 4 wives for a man versus only one spouse for a woman is completely unsatisfactory. In this day and age, when women compete equally with men in various fields like in education, employment, etc., this rule is anti-woman and discriminatory. Western laws giving equal marriage rights to the two sexes are the right ones. And to bring in other issues like, the no. of rapes in America or free mixing of the sexes in the West are besides the point.... One spouse for men AND for women at any one time is the best solution.... if someone wants to marry anyone else, he/she should first divorce their current spouse and then re-marry, this seems sensible to everyone bar the muslims!

Muslim women themselves have commented on the JEALOUSIES, DIFFICULTIES AND UNFAIRNESS amongst co-wives of a man. How can that be fair to a woman? How can this unfair arrangement actually RESPECT muslim women?

I suppose it is futile to discuss Islamic matters with muslims, for their perception is completely different from the other 80% of the world's non-muslim population! They will always find words to justify the unfair Quranic rules, which are clearly to anyone else!
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answer f yr first question iz that
larko ko sirf parents ki property mai sai hisa milta hai pr larkyo ko parnts sai bhi r husband sai bhi
to is tarha wo larko kai barabar a jati hai
2nd answer f 2 question
aurat agr 4 shadi kre to nuksan usi ka ho ga us sai zina kai lye to sab tyar hn gai pr koi us ka kharcha nahi uthae ga r jab koi ulad ho gi to wo kis ki ho gi
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r aj europe mai larkya azad hain r sab sai zyada aids udhar hai r sab sai zyada ghalt harkatien bhi udhar hi hoti hain
lekin dosri taraf agr larka shadi kre to agr wo sab kai sath insaf kr raha hai to is sai family life disturb nahi hoti hai
r na hi kabhi larkyan larko kai barabar a sakti hain r na hi larke kabhi larkio kai
har kisi ki different duties hain
r agr koi koi masal do to us ka bhi answer kr daita hn

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Feb 22, 2013
 
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"aurat agr 4 shadi kre to nuksan usi ka ho ga us sai zina kai lye to sab tyar hn gai pr koi us ka kharcha nahi uthae ga r jab koi ulad ho gi to wo kis ki ho gi"

... agar aurat ke chaar shauhar honge, toh sab baraabar baraabar uske liye kharch karengey!(Jis tarah ek shauhar apne chaar biwion ke liye baraabar kharch karta hai!)

.... aulaad ka baap kaun hai, yeh DNA ki jaanch karaane se pataa lag sakta hai!

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Feb 22, 2013
 
@ muslim pakistani

"aj europe mai larkya azad hain r sab sai zyada aids udhar hai"

.... nahi janaab, AIDS sabse zyada Africa aur Asia mein hai .... aapke Pakistan mein bhi AIDS kam nahi!.... kya Islam ka koi asar nahi huwa?
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#83
Feb 22, 2013
 
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@pakistani muslim
"aurat agr 4 shadi kre to nuksan usi ka ho ga us sai zina kai lye to sab tyar hn gai pr koi us ka kharcha nahi uthae ga r jab koi ulad ho gi to wo kis ki ho gi"
... agar aurat ke chaar shauhar honge, toh sab baraabar baraabar uske liye kharch karengey!(Jis tarah ek shauhar apne chaar biwion ke liye baraabar kharch karta hai!)
.... aulaad ka baap kaun hai, yeh DNA ki jaanch karaane se pataa lag sakta hai!
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r aurat kis kai ghar rahe gi r kis kai ghr ki hifazat kre gi
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#84
Feb 22, 2013
 
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@ muslim pakistani
"aj europe mai larkya azad hain r sab sai zyada aids udhar hai"
.... nahi janaab, AIDS sabse zyada Africa aur Asia mein hai .... aapke Pakistan mein bhi AIDS kam nahi!.... kya Islam ka koi asar nahi huwa?
aids laboratory mai bana kr africa mai dala gya thie
ye bat 100 percent prooved hai chaho to google pr search kro
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pakistan sai zyada aids india mai hai
r america mai india r pak dono sai zyada hai

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#85
Feb 22, 2013
 
"sab sai zyada ghalt harkatien bhi udhar hi hoti hain"

.... yeh baat aapke samajhh ke baahar hai ... aap meri baaton ka bura mat maaniye, aapka nazariya Islam se ranga huwa hai, jo 1450 baras purani baat hai, aaj kal laagu nahi!

.... Maghrib (West) mein sabko khuli aazaadi hai, jo ladka-ladki chahte hain, aapas mein mil sakte hain, bin shaadi karke ek saath reh sakte hain, ghar bhi basaa sakte hain. Aur jo nahi chahte hain, woh apne akele rehti hain! KOI ZABARDASTI NAHI, KOI MANAADI NAHI!!

.... aap upar likhe baaton ko bura samjhhogey, par yeh bhi kisi ke nazariya par hai, uske "perception" par hai!

... Islam mein aap log auraton ke saath jaise sulooq karte hain, usse West mein bura samjhha jata hai, par aap ki nazar mein woh sab sahi hai, kyun ke Quran-e-paak aise hukum hain! Aur West ki baaton ko aap log bura samjhhte hain!.... sab apni apni soch hai, samajhh hai!

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#86
Feb 22, 2013
 
@ "pakistani muslim"

"aurat kis kai ghar rahe gi r kis kai ghr ki hifazat kre gi"

sab ke saath ke saath rahegi ( agar sab ek saath rehete ho toh), warna baari baari mein ek ek ke ghar rahegi, Islamic "misyar"-nikaah ke style mein!

.... rahi hifazat ki baat, woh chaaron shauhar ki waise hi hifazat karegi, jaise ek shauhar chaar biwion ki karta hai!

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Feb 22, 2013
 
@pakistani muslim

"aids laboratory mai bana kr africa mai dala gya thie
ye bat 100 percent prooved hai chaho to google pr search kro"

.... iske bhi kayi theories hain .... aap ek baat kar rahe hain, dusre kehte hain ke Africa mein bandaron se insaanon tak AIDS pahuncha!"

... dekhiye, kisi haadse ke peechhe, kisi baat ke peechhe, bahut saarey "conspiracy theories" hoti hain!.... maslan, 9/11 ke baad yeh musalmaanon mein yeh afwaah, ye conspiracy theory phaili ke yeh haadsa Amrikan hukumat yaa Yahoodion ne karwayi!

Quran ne aap ke dilon mein yahudiyon ke khilaaf itni nafrat bhar di hai ke unko bora hone ke alawa aap kuchh samajhhne ke qaabil nahi!.... halaki, unke ejaat kiye huwe dawaayiyaan, instruments Pakistan ke musalmaan roz istemaal karte hain!

phir, Abottabad mein Osma ke qatal ke baad musalmaanon ne pahilaya ke Osama bahut pehele mar chuka thha, ab elaan kiya gaya hai! yaa, woh maraa hi nahi!

.... main uspar yaqeen karta hun, jo logical, scientific aur tuk waali baat ho!

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Feb 22, 2013
 
@pakistani muslim

"pakistan sai zyada aids india mai hai "

.... yeh toh laazmi hai, India Pak se bahut baraa mulk hai, uski aabaadi Pak se kaheen zyada hai!.... phir, India mein sabko khuli azadi hai, sab aapas mein milke rehte hain!....'jihad' karne ke liye koi 'Sipaah-e-Sahaba' nahi,koi Tehrik-e-Taliban-e-Pakistan nahi, koi Shia jihadi idara hai!

.... ek aur baat, jab bhi Islam ki baat ho, aap bara-e-meherbaani dusri baatein shaamil na karen, har baat ki ek jagah hai! yahaan, sirf Islam ke mutalliq baatein ho rahi hain ! dusre waqt Hindu ya koi aur mazhab ki baaton par discussions hongi, tab usmein Islam ko shaamil nahi kiya jayega! Ek mauzu par muzakara karen!
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Feb 22, 2013
 
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"pakistan sai zyada aids india mai hai "
.... yeh toh laazmi hai, India Pak se bahut baraa mulk hai, uski aabaadi Pak se kaheen zyada hai!.... phir, India mein sabko khuli azadi hai, sab aapas mein milke rehte hain!....'jihad' karne ke liye koi 'Sipaah-e-Sahaba' nahi,koi Tehrik-e-Taliban-e-Pakistan nahi, koi Shia jihadi idara hai!
.... ek aur baat, jab bhi Islam ki baat ho, aap bara-e-meherbaani dusri baatein shaamil na karen, har baat ki ek jagah hai! yahaan, sirf Islam ke mutalliq baatein ho rahi hain ! dusre waqt Hindu ya koi aur mazhab ki baaton par discussions hongi, tab usmein Islam ko shaamil nahi kiya jayega! Ek mauzu par muzakara karen!
r ap nai bat ki thie 1 wives kai 4 shohar hon r baby kai genes chek kr lye jain

ans f this is aj sai 1400 sal pahle ya 500 sal pahle kaise genes chek kye ja sakte thai jab koi aesi science hi nahi thie

r agr aurat 1,1 din charo husbands kai pas guzarti to baqi 3 din aik husband ka ghar kis nai dekhna tha us kai ghr ki hifazat kam wagaira kis nai krna tha
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#90
Feb 22, 2013
 
r ap ki atla kai lye arz hai kai
agr america nai mara hi tha osama ko abtabad mai tous ki koi picture wagaira kiu nahi dikhai koi evidence to hota
r 9/11 wali bat pr koi proof hai ap kai pas kai wo taliban nai kya hai

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Feb 22, 2013
 
@ pakistani muslim

"ap nai bat ki thie 1 wives kai 4 shohar hon r baby kai genes chek kr lye jain

ans f this is aj sai 1400 sal pahle ya 500 sal pahle kaise genes chek kye ja sakte thai jab koi aesi science hi nahi thie"

.... THANK YOY VERY MUCH!... aur Allah ko bhi maalum na thha ke aise science ki tarraqi hogi!.... isliye, AB YEH BAAT LAAGU HAI, aur Quran ke iss rule ko khatam kar dena chahiye!

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Feb 22, 2013
 
@ pakistani muslim

"agr aurat 1,1 din charo husbands kai pas guzarti to baqi 3 din aik husband ka ghar kis nai dekhna tha us kai ghr ki hifazat kam wagaira kis nai krna tha"

.... yeh baat bhi aaj kal laagu nahi hai!.... aaj kal auraten (khaas karke West mein) mardon ke saath kandha milakey taraqqi kar rahi hain, professional ban rahi hain .... auraten bhi apne miyan ki tarah kam karti hain aur raqam kamaati hain!..... aksar biwi miyan se zyada kamaati hain ..... isliye, ghar dekhna/ghar ke kaam karna/ghar ki hifazat karna, yeh sab autaron par laagu nahi hoti!

Ek hal yeh hai ke agar miyan apni biwi se kam kamaatey hon, toh woh kaam chhordh kar ghar ki dekh-bhaal karen (yaaney ke 'house-husband' ban jayen), yaa phir kaam ke liye kisi naukar waghairah ko muqarrar karen!.... USA/UK mein aisa aksar hota hai!

Aurat sirf miyan ko khush karne ke liye, ghar ki hifazat ke liye, aur ghar ki hifazat/kaam-kaaj ke liye paida nahi hai!..... woh bhi aqalmand aur qabil hain, unki bhi kuchh tammanayen hain, kuchh ummeeden hain!

AAJ KAL EQUALITY KA, BARAABARI KA ZAMANA HAI, MIYAN! AAP HAIN KAHAAN?

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Feb 22, 2013
 
@ pakistani muslim

"r ap ki atla kai lye arz hai kai
agr america nai mara hi tha osama ko abtabad mai tous ki koi picture wagaira kiu nahi dikhai koi evidence to hota"

.... tasaaweer jaari karne se baat aur bigardh sakti hai, Osama ke chahne waaley jazbaati ho jaatey, iss wajah se yeh nahi kiya gaya .... ek aur baat, shaq karne waaley shaq karte hi rahengey, agar tasaaweer bhi nikaali jaati, toh woh koi dusri baat uthhatey!

"r 9/11 wali bat pr koi proof hai ap kai pas kai wo taliban nai kya hai"

.... woh 19 dehshat-gard, jo iss qatl-e-aam mein mulawis thhe woh Arbi thhe, zyada tar Saudi Arab ke thhe, iss baat ka saboot (proof) hai.

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#94
Feb 22, 2013
 
@pakistani muslim

Arz kiya,

Un Arbi dehshat-gardon ke naam, tasweer aur passport ki copies bhi police ke paas maujood hain!
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Feb 22, 2013
 
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Arz kiya,
Un Arbi dehshat-gardon ke naam, tasweer aur passport ki copies bhi police ke paas maujood hain!
kaise police kai pas hai pasport wo illegal ap ka kya khyal hai aik plane ura kar lai gai r un kai pas pasport bhi nahi thai
haina

bhai jan wo america tha india ya pakistan nahi
r india ya pakistan mai hi bta do koi pasport kai begair enter ho sakta hai launge mai
r wo plane hi ura kar lai gai
very fny

bhai jan ja kr net use kya kro 1,2 hr phir idhar ana

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