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A dictator can change things right away.
A democratic government takes time to rectify the dictators actions.
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hmm,...u really feel democracy will take root in ur pak?

i really appreciate ur positive spirit.

hey fineline can i ask u a personal q?

are u really a muslim?

Politicians hot air

harminder wrote:

hmm,...u really feel democracy will take root in ur pak?
i really appreciate ur positive spirit.
hey fineline can i ask u a personal q?
are u really a muslim?

Hope so harminder!!!!

Yes I am a muslim, but maybe not a very good one according to some. I don't believe to many are like me. Maybe to many years in Canada, many here have asked me are you a Pakistani, are you really a muslim??? I break all stereotypes.

My mother is a devout muslim, but not an extremist!!! She is very popular among Pakistani' Indians and Canadians.

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FINELINE wrote:

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Hope so harminder!!!!
Yes I am a muslim, but maybe not a very good one according to some. I don't believe to many are like me. Maybe to many years in Canada, many here have asked me are you a Pakistani, are you really a muslim??? I break all stereotypes.
My mother is a devout muslim, but not an extremist!!! She is very popular among Pakistani' Indians and Canadians.
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yes very few persons with ur qualities fineline.

how do u cope with the resistance people develop towards you in pak?

do u ignore and keep quiet? or do u assertively answere back?

canada is today the most decent nation on this planet today fineline.

and then do u really have faith that u will make a difference to something which is embedded for 1400 years.

harminder wrote:

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yes very few persons with ur qualities fineline.
how do u cope with the resistance people develop towards you in pak?
do u ignore and keep quiet? or do u assertively answere back?
canada is today the most decent nation on this planet today fineline.
and then do u really have faith that u will make a difference to something which is embedded for 1400 years.

harminderji, satsriakal!

initially, I had a positive opinion about this person. But, I have been proven wrong. He is just more polished than others.

First, he is a strong supported of john the pakistani. My initial reaction was that he is probably naive.

Then, he made an extremely negative remark about “Baloch” and when somebody confronted him, he backed down.

And, recently he has been a supporter of Raja who almost killed the poor Indian muslim girl married to a Hindu.

That tells me: Haathi kay daant khaaney kay aur deekhaaney kay aur.

HC has described him/her very well: "chocolate covered soap"

The only muslim on this forum who was genuine and whom I found to be a great human being was nawab.

Where are you nawab? We want you back. You can do a lot for the mankind.

Fountainheads, Vultures, Sher Dil, Marie & you bunch of losers from the Lungi Brigade,

Friends,

I have been a vocal supporter of the friendship between our countries and I have to say the following which can provoke you in to some serious thinking.

My forefathers lived in the land for centuries which is now called Pakistan. As of most of the migrant Punjabis in mainland India. Never there was any history recorded of any violence on the basis of Hindu Muslims for centuries. The only noted violence occurred when partition took place in 1947. Afterwards there have been such incidents but only in India, more of southern India and notably in Bombay and recently in Auodhya.

Who is initiating such feelings that this issue is alive since 1947 - its our leaders of lower castes who need votes and the low caste masses comply.

My second point is that there has been stories of Moghul Emperors destroying the Hindu Religious places and converting masses in to Islam. Every Indian has heard them but no one has ever questioned that if so brutal were the Moguls and controlled our lands for 800 years then how come we have only 10 or 15 % odd Muslims in India ? We should have been left with only 10 or 15% of Hindus instead ?

Something is just not right. Figures don't tally.

Thirdly, In Delhi, we have denoted very expensive streets in the names of the Moghul Emperors like Babar Lane, Aurangzeb Road, Shaha Jahan Road, Moghul garden ( The private garden of our President ) etc etc . Why ? If Babar destroyed temples and made Mosques as in Ayodhya then why would the free India which is run by Hindu Majority will give these Moguls such an honour ? Let me confirm you all that there is no other address in India that is as expensive as the streets named after these Mogul Emperors.

Why did millions of Indians vote for Taj Mahal to become one of the magnificent wonders of the modern world when the new list of 7 wonders was concluded in July 2007 ?- Especially when it basically happens to be a tomb of a "cruel" Islamic emperor ? Why didn't they vote for one of their Hindu Monuments ?

Just think ! And see the point I am making. I am sure you all would have enough such points from Pakistan side as well which is keeping off these two nations from becoming friends.

Sincerely

John Voxx

PS : Fineline , wake up fella ! Will Ya ?

Mohni wrote:

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harminderji, satsriakal!
initially, I had a positive opinion about this person. But, I have been proven wrong. He is just more polished than others.
First, he is a strong supported of john the pakistani. My initial reaction was that he is probably naive.
Then, he made an extremely negative remark about “Baloch” and when somebody confronted him, he backed down.
And, recently he has been a supporter of Raja who almost killed the poor Indian muslim girl married to a Hindu.
That tells me: Haathi kay daant khaaney kay aur deekhaaney kay aur.
HC has described him/her very well: "chocolate covered soap"
The only muslim on this forum who was genuine and whom I found to be a great human being was nawab.
Where are you nawab? We want you back. You can do a lot for the mankind.

moni,
I do support John, but can have a different point of view also. Yes I am very pleased what John is trying to do, as well as other peace minded Indiana's and Pakistanis.

Several months ago, I had put up a similar posting regarding Harminder. It was never a slander campaign against him, I did not abuse his religion or his country, the way he was constantly doing. The point is that many Pakistan's supported me, but few Indians that I respected did not touch the topic, they thought that Harminder, and HC, were some counter balance, in my mind I personally did not agree with this. It is good too see that they now realize that there can be no couterbalance to support hatred. It would be wrong for me to join in, it would just get messy, and would not represent what I have stand for...

(WILL CONTINUE).
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FINELINE wrote:

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moni,
I do support John, but can have a different point of view also. Yes I am very pleased what John is trying to do, as well as other peace minded Indiana's and Pakistanis.
Several months ago, I had put up a similar posting regarding Harminder. It was never a slander campaign against him, I did not abuse his religion or his country, the way he was constantly doing. The point is that many Pakistan's supported me, but few Indians that I respected did not touch the topic, they thought that Harminder, and HC, were some counter balance, in my mind I personally did not agree with this. It is good too see that they now realize that there can be no couterbalance to support hatred. It would be wrong for me to join in, it would just get messy, and would not represent what I have stand for...
(WILL CONTINUE).
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du u realise the amount of underlying hatred and vicious racism this man called john voxx (not his real name as he wants to hide something) propagates?he claims to be a "PUNJABI KHATRI KAPOOR 6 FT 4 IN BLAH BLAH BLAH"...

harminder wrote:

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yes very few persons with ur qualities fineline.
how do u cope with the resistance people develop towards you in pak?
do u ignore and keep quiet? or do u assertively answere back?
canada is today the most decent nation on this planet today fineline.
and then do u really have faith that u will make a difference to something which is embedded for 1400 years.

Thanks Harminder,

What really concerns is my day to day life, is my interaction with Canadian people, and that seems to be just fine. The other part of the world, well Pakistan is the place of my birth, so naturally will be concerned.

In Pakistan, or in Canada, when I sit down with a group of Pakistan's and for example, politics are discussed, or some Musharraf, cracker jack, tries to tell how great he is, I usually will remain quite, non confrontational and be "cool as ice".

It would be wrong of me, to break up anyone's dining table, when ever I heard a stupid remark.

Some on the forum, will try to portray me, as something I am not. It's their own sinister behavior and suspensions, that gets the best of them.

Fineline, views have been consistent, and will remain so.

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Mohni wrote:

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harminderji, satsriakal!
initially, I had a positive opinion about this person. But, I have been proven wrong. He is just more polished than others.
First, he is a strong supported of john the pakistani. My initial reaction was that he is probably naive.
Then, he made an extremely negative remark about “Baloch” and when somebody confronted him, he backed down.
And, recently he has been a supporter of Raja who almost killed the poor Indian muslim girl married to a Hindu.
That tells me: Haathi kay daant khaaney kay aur deekhaaney kay aur.
HC has described him/her very well: "chocolate covered soap"
The only muslim on this forum who was genuine and whom I found to be a great human being was nawab.
Where are you nawab? We want you back. You can do a lot for the mankind.

I have previous made a brief analysis of what I believe, and my statement still holds regarding yourself, and that is that you don't want peace.

You are relatively new on the forum. I had a fairly good idea immediately after you started up some topics, of what you were about.

Balouch is a countryman of mine, we almost are from the same region also. We have more in common with each other than we can ever have with you.

The only reason you support Balouch, is that he wants to break up Pakistan, is that not true??? What ever makes you believe that I backed down regarding Balouch. Balouch was never in confrontation with me to begin with, and what does it really have to do with you anyways???????

Regarding, Raja, again you try to twist the facts, and are determined in your efforts. My only communication with Raja, have been four or five words. Raja has never communicated with me ever.

You seem to be a great supporter of HC, who is really a madman!!!!!!!

You seemed to be be really messed up. I'm sure that's not the first time you have heard that.

The only reason that I have communicated with you, is that you mentioned me my name.
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The size of Pakistan's former ruling party, which was badly defeated in the February polls despite the blessings of President Pervez Musharraf, is getting smaller with each passing day.

The Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid (PML-Q), which was formed at the behest of Musharraf after his 1999 military coup against Nawaz Sharif's elected government and by breaking Nawaz's party, is facing a string of defections.

Several legislators of the PML-Q in the National Assembly and provincial assemblies have formed separate blocs. The party as a whole is distancing itself from Musharraf.

'Now we have decided to favour the restoration of judges and we may also favour the impeachment of the president,' a PML-Q legislator told IANS on condition of anonymity.

'The party is finished...and soon there will be no one in parliament to favour Musharraf,' Sharif recently told reporters.

Musharraf, under pressure from domestic and international forces, quit as army chief last December and took oath as a civilian president for a five-year term.

Kashmala Tariq, once a staunch supporter of Musharraf, says she and about 25 other PML-Q parliamentarians are planning to form a separate bloc within the party.

Another legislator told IANS that the bloc will favour the restoration of judges and may favour Musharraf's impeachment if parliament opted for it.

However, sources said that instead of impeaching Musharraf, the ruling coalition is planning to create a situation that will force him to quit.

The ruling coalition led by the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) has given final shape to the constitutional amendments package that will divest the president of all discretionary and other powers, crippling his authority in all respects.

Presently Musharraf enjoys powers of dismissing the government and dissolving parliament. He can also appoint the armed forces chiefs. After the proposed amendment in the constitution these powers will be clipped.

Sources said Musharraf would find it difficult to cling to the presidency once his powers are gone and dismissed judges, including Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, are restored.

I suppose this will annoy you on this thread, but I am an admirer of Musharraf. No one is perfect, but he is honest, intelligent, and has the good of his country at heart. He has helped his country a lot. I know all you who are obsessed with democracy don't like him 'cause he ruled by decree for so long. I have to say democracy is not necessarily that good a system. Here in China we don't use it, but we're doing pretty well, and our countries are pretty good friends

Don't you think it would be better for your country's factions, including Musharraf, worked together for the common good, instead of using power for revenge? After all, he's not a single person, merely the head of a faction. You can help your country more by working with him. As for the judges, I know they're a cause celebre, but the truth behind is they were/are crooks, and should be let out to pasture

Dear Bob Burns,

Yes, you are very right that everyone should work together regarding Pakistan. The constitution should be respected and not be dismantled to accommodate a dictator. How can we work with a person that disrespect the constitution??????.

Did you know that are present Prime Minister, Syed Yousaf Gailni, was put under arrest for 5 years, and with no charges!!!!!!

Everyone that is perceived as a threat to a dictator is jailed under corruption charges, they do this basically to have no oppression against them.

Regarding the judges. Judges just dont become Supreme Court Judges, they have to be competent in doing there job. When a dictator, comes in he does not want to go by the law of the land. Musharraf removed 60 judges. Why??????????
The answer is that Musharraf was breaking the law!!!!!

The Supreme Court Judge had been corrupt the regime said, one reason was that he was using the wrong toothpaste that was a allocated to him.

What a stupid game, these dictators play, really unbelievable!!!

The judges will be back......
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FINELINE wrote:

Dear Bob Burns,
Yes, you are very right that everyone should work together regarding Pakistan. The constitution should be respected and not be dismantled to accommodate a dictator. How can we work with a person that disrespect the constitution??????.
Did you know that are present Prime Minister, Syed Yousaf Gailni, was put under arrest for 5 years, and with no charges!!!!!!
Everyone that is perceived as a threat to a dictator is jailed under corruption charges, they do this basically to have no oppression against them.
Regarding the judges. Judges just dont become Supreme Court Judges, they have to be competent in doing there job. When a dictator, comes in he does not want to go by the law of the land. Musharraf removed 60 judges. Why??????????
The answer is that Musharraf was breaking the law!!!!!
The Supreme Court Judge had been corrupt the regime said, one reason was that he was using the wrong toothpaste that was a allocated to him.
What a stupid game, these dictators play, really unbelievable!!!
The judges will be back......
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Before you go for revenge, dig two graves.Oldenemiescanbenewallie s

Bob Burns wrote:

<quoted text>Before you go for revenge, dig two graves.Oldenemiescanbenewallie s

No, this is no revenge, and when did I ever mention that I want revenge?????

It's getting the country back on the proper track, and making sure that no one breaks the constitution again. We have to move ahead.
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FINELINE wrote:

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No, this is no revenge, and when did I ever mention that I want revenge?????
It's getting the country back on the proper track, and making sure that no one breaks the constitution again. We have to move ahead.
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How can you go forward by looking backward? Let go of Musharraf as "enemy" and those corrupt judges as "friends". think of the good of your country and ALL of it's people. You want to make peace and forgive those terrorists. Besides the fact that that is completely stupid and unworkable, don't you think you should do at least the same for Musharraf's faction? Why make trouble? Pak has real problems. You know what they are. Work with all factions on those real problems, don't be diverted by political vendettas, or you will waste your mandate and harm your country

Bob Burns wrote:

<quoted text>How can you go forward by looking backward? Let go of Musharraf as "enemy" and those corrupt judges as "friends". think of the good of your country and ALL of it's people. You want to make peace and forgive those terrorists. Besides the fact that that is completely stupid and unworkable, don't you think you should do at least the same for Musharraf's faction? Why make trouble? Pak has real problems. You know what they are. Work with all factions on those real problems, don't be diverted by political vendettas, or you will
waste your mandate and harm your country

Corrupt judges????????
These judges were removed only because Musharraf was to scared to hear the verdict from them, he quickly removed them, put in his own judges and declared state of emergency.

You used the word revenge, last time, now you use another word, vendetta this time. The people of Pakistan have voted for change, and that is the issue. It's a coalition government, and that involves different parties in government, and that's what working together really means.

The people of Pakistan want the constitution respected and that is the bottom line
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