No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf

MUQ wrote:

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Only one who can help you surmount your difficulties in your Creator and your Noursiher, the one who brought you into the world.
Pray to Him and ask Him to give you strength to surmount your difficulties, there is no ailment and no sickness and no problem of which there is not existing a remedy made by our Creator.
Pray to your Creator with sincerity and truth and the solution to your problem will come from Him.
If you try shortcuts and beseech any one else beside Him, you will be on a very slippery ground indeed (as I saw some one advising you to do).

Thank-you , "MUQ" for keeping my identity secret , and for being gentle .

The Spirit of God does not change.
God is one in nature but in that one God there are three distinct Persons, the Father, who proceeds from no one, the Son who proceeds from the Father by generation, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds from the Father and the Son as from one principle by spiration.
Each Person is distinct from the other, yet each Person is identical with the divine substance. Hence, the three Persons are equal and to each belong all the divine attributes. Since the three Persons each possess the one divine nature they are said to be consubstantial yet each of the three Persons is really distinct one from the other since each has a distinct mode of possessing the divine nature, and their distinction one from the other is based on relation of origin.

MUQ wrote:

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1. This is your basic mistake that God came to earth in human form…. And considering of “image of God” that you have was it of the Jesus when he was born as an infant, or when he was growing up as a child, or when he gained the adulthood?
Does God changes His form and image with time?(I think if we ponder on this point alone, most of your mistakes would be corrected).
And in which way you are different from Hindus who worship so many images of God, because according to them, God appeared in so many forms to humans?
Your reasoning is therefore flawed

"MUQ" you do not believe in the trinity of the One Merciful God . There are very many aspects of God , which we cannot fully comprehend or explain . He is too great , and our minds too limited .
As for the images of Christ all can be used and venerated . God was a child and then a Man .
I wish to apologize for comparing Muhammad to Jesus ..that was unfair .

skeptic wrote:

The Spirit of God does not change.
God is one in nature but in that one God there are three distinct Persons, the Father, who proceeds from no one, the Son who proceeds from the Father by generation, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds from the Father and the Son as from one principle by spiration.
Each Person is distinct from the other, yet each Person is identical with the divine substance. Hence, the three Persons are equal and to each belong all the divine attributes. Since the three Persons each possess the one divine nature they are said to be consubstantial yet each of the three Persons is really distinct one from the other since each has a distinct mode of possessing the divine nature, and their distinction one from the other is based on relation of origin.

Did you really try to explain the Holy Trinity to "MUQ" !!!
"skeptic" only the Holy Spirit can make men believe in the Trinity .

DAK-original wrote:

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No. However, it is important to ensure that those living in west do want to reform Islam and they then proceed to discard politcal and intolerant fangs of Islam. I believe that many muslims in west would not wish to live in muslim majority countries but these are too fearful to open their mounths or to go on a march against Islamic atrocities.

I thought you once "suggested" Islam , may be impossible to reform .."It is the unadulterated word of Allah " . I don't think it would be "legal" to strip Muslims of their citizenship , but , here in America . All we want to do is build prisons . And if Muslims prove to be too violent , I suspect that will be their fate .You are very observant , Muslims ( in public ) seem very reluctant , to be self critical , you suspect it is "fear" ?

chuy wrote:

<quoted text>I thought you once "suggested" Islam , may be impossible to reform .."It is the unadulterated word of Allah " . I don't think it would be "legal" to strip Muslims of their citizenship , but , here in America . All we want to do is build prisons . And if Muslims prove to be too violent , I suspect that will be their fate .You are very observant , Muslims ( in public ) seem very reluctant , to be self critical , you suspect it is "fear" ?

Both fear of being branded as an apostate, etc and ostrasization from the society, I suppose.

DAK-original wrote:

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Both fear of being branded as an apostate, etc and ostrasization from the society, I suppose.

This is unfortunate ...too many faiths , have the characteristics of a "cult" .

MUQ wrote:

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You have asked three questions and I will answer all three of them in short.
1. I have no problem if you worship 1 idol or 1000 idols. It is you who will have to answer to God on the last day, as to why did you worship idols, when it was expressively prohibited in your religious scriptures.
The Vedas and other Hindu Scriptures do not tell Hindus to do idol worship. We only tell you this and leave the choice to you.
2. Kafir is one who rejects the message of islam. If you have been told about the message of Islam and then you reject it, you have turned yourself into a Kafir. It is not we, who made you into a Kafir.
3. No, Islam does not teach us to behead every Kafir or Non Muslim. It was never done in entire Muslim history of 1400 years and it shall be never done.
However those Kafirs and Non Muslims, who come to fight against Muslims and plot and plan for their destruction, we Muslims are allowed to fight back and defend our lives and faith from their hands.
And I do not know any law in any civilized society that takes away this right of Muslims.
Allah Knows Best.

THAT'S ALL RUBBISH, MUQ !!

The Bhagwad Geeta is the gist of all the Vedas, Upanishads, etc. For Hindus, it is like what the Bible is for the Christians and Quran for the muslims.

In the Geeta, Lord Krishna says "People Worship Me in Different Forms".
Further, the Geeta accepts worship of different deities (who are created by Krishna),appearance of God in the Human Form on earth, reincarnation,etc.
DO REFER TO THE BHAGWAD GEETA FOR MORE DETAILS.

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The muslims have attacked non-muslims in faraway lands (Sindh, Spain, etc), when the non-muslims had nothing to do with the muslims.

PLEASE ASCERTAIN FACTS BEFORE WRITING !

@ MUQ

Non-muslims do not believe in Islam, because the Quran is NOT the word of God ! I'll tell you why.

When I was reading the Quran, I observed on 3 occasions,whenever Muhammad was in a tricky situation because of his misdeeds, miraculously on each occasion the following morning Muhammad claimed a verse had been revealed by Allah which absolved him from his misdeed !

The 3 occasions were:-

1) When Muhammad was caught out screwing his wife's young voluptuous Christian slave-girl Maria; Mo did this after lying to his wife that her dad had called her !

2) When Mo lusted after the wife, Zainab, of his adopted son. He had to divorce his wife so that Mo could marry her !

3) When Mo had decided to stop sleeping with his 9 or so wives for one month !

On each occasion, Allah apparently had revealed a verse which helped Mo out of his predicament and absolved him of all his misdeeds.

EVERYONE KNOWS THE TRUTH MUQ, YOU KNOW IT TOO !

What Mo did was to think about these 3 dire situations he faced, thought of the solutions before going off to sleep and declared the following morning that Allah had 'revealed' those verses to him which favoured his situation !

Mo knew full well none of his followers would question him, upon the fear of losing his head !

Thus MUQ, the words in the Quran are not those of Allah at all but Mo's imaginations !

In fact, there is no 'Allah', he is Mo's alter-ego !

MUQ, now that you know the truth, it is time for you to come out of Islam !!!

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THE RENOWNED EX-MUSLIM, ANWAR SHAIKH, OF CARDIFF, WALES, U.K.

The late Anwar Shaikh has explained that in Quran 33.56,

ALLAH & HIS ANGELS PRAY PEACE TO MUHAMMAD ....

In Arabic "pray peace" means the same as "worship"

In other words, Allah and his angels worship Muhammad !! CAN YOU IMAGINE GOD WORSHIPING HIS PROPHET ?

(This verse was revealed after Muhammad grew strong at Medina by looting, raping, slaughtering, etc.)

This is the exact meaning of that verse in the original Arabic text, but the muslim translators were too embarrassed to write it out, so they substituted "pray peace" with "send their blessings" !

NOW TELL ME, WHICH GOD WILL WORSHIP HIS OWN FOLLOWER ?

THINK, MUQ, THINK !!

The quicker you come out of Islam, the better !

Garamba wrote:

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You can't read can you? I wrote this;
Not you but your religion turns people into Kafirs.
Like other religions turn you into their UNbeliever for rejecting their message. You are a Kafir to us as well.
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I don't care what you call me. I just point out that everybody, and that includes you as well, is someone's Kafir...
So the term turns out to be void of any substance.
I asked you to shut up so that we could enjoy the video, together.... so shut the f*ck up.

Just by repeating a falsehood it will not become truth!! You did not listen to my reply, how can I help you?

On Islam from Non Extremist Hindus Part-36

BABAR AND GURU NANAK – BY MALIK NAGPUR

I have seen the reactions of learned people on the judgment of Allahabad High court. There is one Mr. PRASHANT BHUSAN, who is a well known lawyer, he has termed this judgement as based on belief and politically motivated and said it is against the law.

Mr. A.B. VAJPAYEE, Ex-Prime Minister of India in his letter dated 19/7/189 to Mr. HAREN MUKHARJEE wrote “It is impossible for any one to determine the exact birth place of Lord Ram”

Prof. S. GOPAL , renowned historian and son of Ex- President S. RADHA KRISHNAN said in a statement “Even today there are more than 30 places in AYODHYA which claim to be the Birth Place of Ram…. How can one ascertain that Ram was born at the exact place which was at the center of Middle dome of demolished mosque. The palace of Mother of Ram is situated 120 meters away from that place”

Guru Nanak, the famous Guru of Sikhs died nine years after the death of Babar. In his Granth, he wrote many couplets criticising Babar, but he did not write a single word against his demolition of Ram Temple in AYODHYA. It is reported that he himself visited AYODHYA, how could he fail to mention this great event?

Then if we go by the logic of VALMIKI, then we should search for AYODHYA in Nepal and not in FAIZABAD.

By every standard, Allahabad High Court has not decided this issue on the basis of property rights and title. The judgment should also have included action against those who demolished the mosque in broad daylight and those who incited it.


Translated from Hindi of KANTI Monthly of Feb. 2011
On Islam from Non Extremist Hindus Part-37

CHUPPI KEY PEECHE (Behind the Silence): By MUDRA RAKCHAS, RASTRIYA SAHAR, 19 DEC 2010.

It would be strange to many, that despite so many cases of Bombs made from RDX, Gallatin rods, TNT and Potassium Nitrate having links with RSS and so many of its affiliates, there has been no reaction from the current UPA Govt.

It is not only that Bombs were being made, but so many training camps are also being run by these organization, where young people are taught how to make and use these bombs. Does that not provide enough evidence to Govt. to take action against them?

KUCH BINDU (SOME POINTS)- BY GHEWARCHAND GODIKA, JAIPUR, RAJASTHAN

I saw your special issue “AYODHYA Judgement, its effect and result”, it came to my mind:

a. When none of the parties had asked for partition of the land, why did court did its own partition?

b. Neither the land was purchased by the Mosque nor by the Temple authorities.

c. The present AYODHYA is not the one where Lord Ram was born, it should be on the banks of river Ganges.

d. The Temple constructed there is against the rules and regulations of Hindu religious books,

e. During excavation some Jain MURTIS were also found, was that place a Jain place of worship?

f. Where the mosque was constructed on a temple or a palace is also not clear.

These are very important points, it is strange that learned judges ignored all these and gave their judgment. It is doubtful if this decision will satisfy any party.

Now it is upto Supreme Court to decide on this issue after taking into consideration all the issues.

Translated from Hindi of KANTI Monthly of Feb 2011

Is it right and just to murder someone for questioning or ridiculing the "holy Prophet"?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/12/m...

Am I missing something here? Because it only fills me with disgust and loathing for the monsters who thinks it is.

Atheist Crusader wrote:

Is it right and just to murder someone for questioning or ridiculing the "holy Prophet"?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/12/m...
Am I missing something here? Because it only fills me with disgust and loathing for the monsters who thinks it is.

Here fill up on these if that's the case

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TES...

Isreality wrote:

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Here fill up on these if that's the case
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TES...

Yeah,I know it's all the same old plagiarized old testament gibberish,but surly to fcuk that barbarity belongs back in the bronze age,not in the minds of people in the 21st century.

Atheist Crusader wrote:

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Yeah,I know it's all the same old plagiarized old testament gibberish,but surly to fcuk that barbarity belongs back in the bronze age,not in the minds of people in the 21st century.

That's the difference between believers and non believers. You believe we were created from amoebas, Wheras others believe a higher intelligence created us all. And 5 Billion+ people believe that, rather than your belief in Darwins amoebas

Isreality wrote:

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That's the difference between believers and non believers. You believe we were created from amoebas, Wheras others believe a higher intelligence created us all. And 5 Billion+ people believe that, rather than your belief in Darwins amoebas

Oh,sorry,I didn't realize you were one of the religiously afflicted.

I don't give two fcuks what the credulous believe when it comes to evolutionary biology,science will continue to advance our understanding of the natural world despite the objections from the godbots who have hindered it every step of the way.

But what has that got to do with the murder of someone for blasphemy?

Oh,that's right. It says so in my "holy" book so it must be right.

MUQ wrote:

On Islam from Non Extremist Hindus Part-36
BABAR AND GURU NANAK – BY MALIK NAGPUR
I have seen the reactions of learned people on the judgment of Allahabad High court. There is one Mr. PRASHANT BHUSAN, who is a well known lawyer, he has termed this judgement as based on belief and politically motivated and said it is against the law.
Mr. A.B. VAJPAYEE, Ex-Prime Minister of India in his letter dated 19/7/189 to Mr. HAREN MUKHARJEE wrote “It is impossible for any one to determine the exact birth place of Lord Ram”

we hindus dont want muslim's certificate to decide birth place of our god.we will conduct our religious affairs as per our beliefs .

otherwise can i ask u what was the name of winged horse which took ur prophet to heaven?????

anybody who asks such ques about our god would be dealt with severely .muslims can go to pakistan if they have problem with worship of shriram.

MUQ wrote:

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Just by repeating a falsehood it will not become truth!! You did not listen to my reply, how can I help you?

Go improve your reading and comprehension ability.

And listen to this:
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/3307.htm

Don't you dare leave islam! LOL

MUQ wrote:

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Just by repeating a falsehood it will not become truth!! You did not listen to my reply, how can I help you?

What falsehood?

You are a Kafir yourself in the eyes of other religions, what's your problem with that fact?