Dutch PM concerned over anti-Quran film

Geert Wilders is a true brave HERO fighting for human rights and free speech. While some kings cower and cringe. The Dutch are standing , TALL, STRONG and PROUD.

God Bless the Netherlands.

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Fight for FREEDOM NOW or get murdered later.

Islam sucks.

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America LOVES Geert Wilders. He is a brave patriotic HERO. Geert Wilders is as popular in America as Winstin Churchil was to us in WWII.

Australia loves Geert Wilders and all his like, God bless the man.

Resist the evil of Islam.

please everyone, whenever you read an argument, read them professionally. please do not straightly accept everything until you valued from all directions. in this case for instance, try to read from the muslim/islamic view as well, then make your self-evaluation. pleassssseeeee...

A TERRIBLY UPSIDE DOWN WAY OF PROVING THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE AND GOODNESS!---PART 1

(Condensed from Hoekstra’s speech “Islam and Free Speech”, WSJ March 26, 08 page A15. Mr. Hoekstra, who was born in the Netherlands, is ranking Republican on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.)

“The Netherlands is bracing for a new round of violence …..caused by "Fitna," a short film [made by Geert Wilders]..
.. free societies ..hold freedom of speech to be a fundamental human right. We don't silence, jail or kill people with whom we disagree just because their ideas are offensive or disturbing.… when such ideas are openly debated, they sink of their own weight and attract few followers.
Our country allows fringe groups …. to demonstrate, as long as they are peaceful. Americans are permitted to burn the national flag. In 1989, when so-called artist Andres Serrano displayed his work "Piss Christ" -- a photo of a crucifix immersed in a bottle of urine -- Americans protested peacefully … There were no bombings…. No one was killed over this work that was deeply offensive to Christians.
Criticism of Islam, however, has led to violence and murder world-wide. Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa calling for Muslims to kill Salman Rushdie over his 1988 book, "The Satanic Verses." …. two people … were stabbed, one fatally. The 2005 Danish editorial cartoons lampooning the prophet Muhammad led to numerous deaths. Dutch director .. van Gogh was killed in 2004…. after he made the film "Submission," which described violence against women in Islamic societies. Ayaan Hirsi Ali,… wrote the script for "Submission," received death threats over the film and fled the country for the United States.
The violence ……is part of a broad and determined effort by the radical jihadist movement to reject the basic values of modern civilization and replace them with an extreme form of Shariah… the legal code of Islam…. in medieval times...
Radical jihadists are prepared to use violence against individuals to stop them from exercising their free speech rights. In some countries, converting a Muslim to another faith is a crime punishable by death. While Muslim clerics are free to preach and proselytize in the West, some Muslim nations severely restrict or forbid other faiths to do so. In addition, moderate Muslims around the world have been deemed apostates and enemies by radical jihadists.
Radical jihadists believe representative government is un-Islamic, and urge Muslims …not to exercise their ..vote….When given a choice, most Muslims reject the extreme approach to Islam.[as] recently demonstrated in Iraq's Anbar Province,[it] went from an al-Qaeda stronghold to …supporting the U.S.-led coalition.… because the populace….. intensely dislike the fanatical ways of the radicals,[like] cutting off fingers of anyone caught smoking a cigarette, 4 p.m. curfews, beatings and beheadings… & forced marriages between foreign-born al Qaeda fighters and local Sunni women.”

(to be continued)

A TERRIBLY UPSIDE DOWN WAY OF PROVING THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE AND GOODNESS!---PART 2

“There may be a direct relationship between the radical jihadists' opposition to democracy and their systematic abuse of women.[who] have virtually no rights…: They must conceal themselves, cannot hold jobs, and have been subjected to honor killings…
. British officials are investigating the cases of 30 British Muslim school-age girls who "disappeared" for probable forced marriages.
While efforts to create parallel Islamic societies .. may actually be a jihadist "waiting game," based on the assumption that the Islamic populations of many European states will become the majority over the next 25-50 years due to higher Muslim birth rates and immigration.
What is particularly disturbing about these assaults against modern society is how the West has reacted with appeasement, willful ignorance, and a lack of journalistic criticism. Last year PBS tried to suppress "Islam vs. Islamists: Voices from the Muslim Center," a hard-hitting documentary that contained criticism of radical jihadists. Fortunately, Fox News agreed to air the film… European officials have been similarly cautious. A German court ruled last year that ..a Muslim man had the right to beat his wife… under Shariah.… Archbishop Rowan Williams, stated last month that the implementation of some measure of Shariah in Britain was "unavoidable" …..
Even if the new Wilders film proves newsworthy,… few members of the Western media will air it,….they have been intimidated by radical jihadist threats.… You can be sure that if …. cartoons had mocked Christianity or Judaism, major American newspapers would not have hesitated to print them.
… I defend the right of Mr. Wilders and the media to air this film because free speech is a fundamental right that is the foundation of modern society. Western governments and media outlets cannot allow themselves to be bullied into giving up this precious right due to threats of violence. We must not fool ourselves into believing that we can appease the radical jihadist movement by allowing them to set up parallel societies and separate legal systems, or by granting them special protection from criticism.
…. "All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." …
These liberties have been won through centuries of debate, conflict and bloodshed. Radical jihadists want to sacrifice all we have learned by returning to a primitive and intolerant world. While modern society invites such radicals to peacefully exercise their faith, we cannot and will not sacrifice our fundamental freedoms.”
So it can be clearly seen that non-Muslims truly cherish the goodness of the Muslims’ Quran. On the other hand, are there anyone who is still so misinformed or insane enough to believe that Muslims really believe and cherish in the goodness of their Quran, such as in Al-Baqarah 2:256?----“There is no compulsion in religion. Truth has become distinct from error.”
So if the Mohammedans are doing such a great job of showing up to the whole world that Islam is such a terribly upside religion, why should the help of non-Muslims be needed when they are doing it so well and so successfully on how not to have or show faith in the goodness of their Quran? Surely, it is time for the coward moderate Muslims to speak up for their religion of peace and goodness, if they disagree with their hate-driven and sex-hungry jihadists.
Allahu Akbar!!

The final crusade wrote:

#113 Keep bringing more stuff Oh Tham Eng.

THE TOUGHEST JOB IS TRYING TO PROMOTE THE GOODNESS OF THE QURAN TO THE INSCRUTABLE MUSLIMS: DO ANY MUSLIMS REALLY BELIEVE IN IT?

That's the easy part, brother. However, I totally disagree with Geert Wilders’ attempt to open up the benighted Muslims minds with his provocative film “Fitna”. But then I find the toughest part I face is how to open up the closed minds of the mindless Muslims with the goodness of their Quran. So you can see that Geert Wilders is doing the easy part---see how he got the Muslims to respond so easily, compared to my failed and tragic efforts to promote the goodness of their Quran to them. Strange, isn’t it? Very strange, brother!!

If they even reject the wonderfully said Prayer of the Jewish Prophet Suleiman (that's why no Muslims have responded to my invitation to them to join me to believe and show faith in it), I wonder what can really work to right up their terribly inverted mindS?

"Inspire me Lord, to be thankful to Thee for thy favors to me and my parents to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit me, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous." An-Naml 27:19. "For the noblest in Allah's sight is He who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujurut 49:13

sahar wrote:

#759 <quoted text>
1- When did ever someone threaten you or wanted to rape your mother ?? you're not making any sense.
2- You said Muslims insulted you, so what do you call your previous words??, not to mention the rest of your comments ?? If they're not insults towards Muslims..
3- who actually insulted you ?? and when ??
<quoted text>
I doubt that you prepare these posts yourself , you kept saying ,( I'll reply , just when I get the time ) if you have the time to keep coming here over and over and writing your previous comments then you could just wrote your answer or explanation to what I said earlier , unless you're waiting for certain source or someone to help you in your answer .. yet ,I'll assume that you write your comments from your own mind .. then what took you all that time . the topic is getting old .. and I start losing my interest , soon , I'll ignore the whole thing .. Don't say busy because as I said before , you found the time to write in this topic many times before .. If the reply is that long ( that took all that time to write )then be sure I won't read it .. Don't try to make it tall, try to make it reasonable ..Later...Salaam _ Peace

WHY IS IT SO TOUGH RALLYING MUSLIMS TO JOIN ME TO SHOW FAITH IN THE GOODNESS OF THEIR QURAN?
Be patient, "Sahar"! I'll give others like "The Truth" the opportunities to help you see the light. I have SUCCESSFULLY done the difficult part already on the plurality of Allah, and I have to thank you for making it easy to reply to you on this matter in due time. Perhaps you may want to respond to my last post #762 and let me know why it is so difficult to rally Muslims to join their Yemeni Muslims and me to show faith in the goodness of their Quran.
Please understand that I speak the truth and truths hurt as they heal and enlighten at the same time. I also don't wish to compete with the senseless Muslims and I see no reason why I should compete with those upside Muslims in the race to be the most vulgar and stupidest person at the same time. So I don't believe in lying as Muslims---sic---Mohammedans enjoy doing under their Islam-sanctioned doctrine of Taqiyya.
Further, if I had lied the way you have accused me or hinted that I do, any Singapore Muslim can file a police criminal report against me for perjuring the good name of Muslims and Islam. In Singapore, such matter is taken very seriously by the authorities. We all know that this is a very serious criminal matter, as many non-Muslims in Singapore had already being so charged and the judges had warned of tougher sentences to come for those who do not heed their warnings.
In any case, I had submitted the evidences to the Police for their information and necessary action. Sad that Muslims had to issue me death threats when they lose their debates with me and resorted also to threatening raping my long dead mother, and slandering me with other insults and lies---as their upside down way to prove to non-Muslims that Muslims are good people, and Islam is a great religion of Peace and Goodness! I’m sure Muslims are good people too!
Allahu Akbar!

sahar wrote:

#763 Hello Oh Tham Eng, I just saw your previous 2 comments , and both of them can be answered in a form of question
In the name of freedom of speech that you talked about. If a man decided to make a movie disproving that holocaust ever happened , what are the chances that this man won't end up in jail ?? or even killed ?? I challenge you to say he will freely promote his film. This can be so enough to disprove all what you said in your previous comment about freedom of speech. You have to understand how the world works today , by learning what leaders are planning to achieve in their hidden agenda , then you will realise that you and many like you were just lab rats in a successful experiment ..
This is far from over , but answer this part first and we will continue the rest of the points in sha Allah ( God willing ) Salaam Alikom

"Sahar", you prove nothing, except your idiocy! No Muslim is going to be killed even as they love killing others and love telling and believing the devil’s lies. And I trust that you are not an idiot. I already said that I totally disagree with Geert Wilders' provocative film, just as I am totally against people like Andres Serrano pissing on/immersing the crucifix of Christ in his urine the name of art. But the Holocaust was a real thing just as 911 and the Rape of Nanjing were.

Sad that some people like you are dismissive of them, and even believing that the Israeli Mossad and the American CIA did 911 to frame-up the innocent, do-goody Muslims. If you want me to respect you, you better not help the demons and their agents to propagate such egregious lies or deny these facts of history, Sir!

Easter Bunny wrote:

#71 <#70 quoted text> Well, I suspect that this tells us something about the nature of Islam, because no matter what a sensible observer might think Islam dictates, the practice of Islam by Muslims tells us something else. It tells us that no matter the "nice" sentiments expressed in some distant corner of the Quran, the actual practice of Islam by Muslims will be dominated by ides that are decidedly less nice. Such is the nature of the beast.

ANGRY THAT MUSLIMS ARE HELPING GEERT WILDERS BUT REFUSING TO HELP ME PROVE ISLAM!

Hi Sister "Easter Bunny", what can anyone do with these terribly upside people? Just saw the film made by Geert Wilders. Well, I must say that he did a very factual and truthful job of helping those upside down people prove what their Islam is really all about. So I don't really understand what those upside down people are now raging about, and issuing fatwas to kill him?

What Geert Wilders did was a cut-and-paste job of videos that the various media had shown of the real Muslim actors themselves in hate-filled radical Islam had been doing since 911---from what their Quran has also taught them. So why should this be the wrong thing---I mean the re-cycling? Greet Wilders wasn’t inventing anything new that those upside down Muslims had not already done and invented!!

But if their raging anger is their way to try telling us those hate-filled and murderous Quaranic verses are wrong, or irrelevant or out-dated (out of modern context of peace and enlightenment, that is), then I must say good has come out of Greet Wilders’ film. That, I feel, is what Greet Wilders is really trying to do---to start a debate to force them into not thinking and interpreting of Islam so negatively, when there are so much good going for Muslims in their Quran and Hadiths.

But the sad fact is Muslims have proven to me they aren't really interested in the goodness of their Quran (or Hadiths). Otherwise they would have responded in droves to my rallying call to them to join me to show and promote the goodness of their Quran. As it is, only a very pathetic few from the God-blessed Yemen Observer web-site were keen and sincere in wanting to join up with me to help me promote the goodness of their Quran.

I want the Muslims to answer me why are they refusing to help me show their faith in and to promote the goodness of their Quran? Instead, why are they so foolishly opting to prove that Islam is such a terribly upside down, murderous, hate-filled, evil and irrational religion?---with more of their raging irrationality and death threats that never seem to get less. Why, Muslims, WHY?

If Muslims do not believe in helping me to promote the goodness of their Quran, how can there be world peace from their great religion of Islam, which I correctly understand is supposed to be a great religion of Peace and Enlightenment? Surely Muslims should know that raging irrationality, silly death threats, and hate-mongering should never be the way to prove that Islam is for Peace and Goodness, isn’t it? So when are they going to set upright their inverted mindset?

"Inspire me Lord, to be thankful to Thee for thy favors to me and my parents to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit me, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous." An-Naml 27:19. "For the noblest in Allah's sight is He who is the most righteous.” Al-Hujurut 49:13. So any takers from you, great Muslims?

Allahu Akbar!!

LWsciencejunkie wrote:

#424 Oh Tham Eng:
My answer to Oh Tham Eng(#11). to his question of why Muslims don't show a whole lot of interest in following what's good in their religion and instead seem to embrace and demonstrate what is vicious is this:
Muslim men have everything to lose in a liberalized culture. Some know this, some feel this in a visceral sense. The absolute control a Muslim male has over his family, and that the Islamic world has on women will be lost as Muslim cultures and nations modernize, or "westernize", as Islamists use the term in a sense of horror. There is an atavistic terror of losing this control. Behavioral scientists have pinned down the reason that some men abuse women in the west, where unlike the Islamic world, where it is not only against the law, but socially reviled. It is because of a need to control women that evolved from the ancient need to be absolutely certain that the children a man is providing for are carrying his genes into the next generation, and no-one else's. That is why abusers are not lying when they say that they do love their wives and families, even though they abuse them. These abusers don't know themselves what it is that makes them abuse. Abusers (in the west) often know its wrong and are ashamed of it. The ancient objective of men abusing women is to control their fertility. The treatment of women in Islam is an extreme 1,400 y/o, multinational expression of this male objective.
When the infidel world criticizes a male Muslim, who has been indoctrinated from birth that he is superior to all human beings that are not male and Muslim, and particularly when he is criticized for his treatment of women, this evokes truly primal rage on many levels. He is humiliated that, objectively, the entire Islamic world is anything but "superior" and neither is he. He is threatened with losing the only and most important place in his world where he can feel powerful, superior and secure; his family. The west is perceived as emasculating him not just by superior economic and military might, but by demanding equitable treatment for women, that he give up his age-old superior position as a Muslim male.

WHY ARE MUSLIMS SUCH IDIOTS?

Good attempt to explain why Muslims inwardly detest the goodness in their religion, but outwardly profess great love for it, even to the point of wanting to or actually mass-slaughtering their own innocent Muslim children, women and men to prove to all how good and peaceful their religion of Islam is!

That's why most Muslims are the most schizophrenic, hate-filled and self-accursed people in this world. If only they could be honest with themselves and openly join up with non-Muslims to show faith and help non-Muslims promote the goodness of their Quran/religion. After all, it is their religion and their Quran. It is not as if I have been trying to force them to show faith and promote the goodness of my Bible!

So why are they such idiots?

I have my explanation to this great conundrum. Will post it another time. Maybe, other netizens should also try to post theirs before I do so for mine.

Meantime, keep yours coming! God bless you, "LWsciencejunkie"!!

The Dutches are looking at the staus quo!

What about the violence of early Judasim towards non- Jews and their own before Christianity and now against Muslims! What about the crusades of the Middle age against Muslims... what about the dark age of the Church in Europe when questioning women were burnt for being witches!

What about the Serbs and Bosnia....

What about the Irish Protestants vs Catholics!

What about the Shi'it vs Sunni in Iraq and Iran.....

What about the white vs black (man friday!)

What about the Caucasian vs other "inferior" races...

What about man vs woman.......

Can you see the connection now? There is no connection, it shows the very nature of man of over powering and trying to create everyone on his image!This time it is Islam...years later, it will be something else!

mimi wrote:

The Dutches are looking at the staus quo!
What about the violence of early Judasim towards non- Jews and their own before Christianity and now against Muslims! What about the crusades of the Middle age against Muslims... what about the dark age of the Church in Europe when questioning women were burnt for being witches!
What about the Serbs and Bosnia....
What about the Irish Protestants vs Catholics!
What about the Shi'it vs Sunni in Iraq and Iran.....
What about the white vs black (man friday!)
What about the Caucasian vs other "inferior" races...
What about man vs woman.......
Can you see the connection now? There is no connection, it shows the very nature of man of over powering and trying to create everyone on his image!This time it is Islam...years later, it will be something else!

It might be, but to start rioting, burning and murdering because of some funny cartoons or a movie, is typical for Islam only.
And crusades started as a response to muslim invasion of Europe.

NO EVIDENCE THAT GEERT WILDERS LINKS ISLAM TO VIOLENCE---MUSLIMS CULPRITS THEMSELVES DID SO---PART 1

At first I was strongly against Geert Wilders’ film “Fitna”, because it was reported in the media that it showed a Quran being burned and Geert’s actors spouting anti-Islam vitriolics. That would be terrible because he would also be burning my many favourite Quranic verses too, such as the beautiful prayer of Prophet Suleiman in An-Naml 27:19, and Al-Hujurut 49:13 etc---something which I am facing great difficulty promoting them to the Muslims was they are not willing to help me to promote them. So how could I ever support Geert Wilders for such senseless action?

But when I viewed it, I saw none of those, and came out of it convinced with the evidences Geert had collated showed otherwise---that Muslims were the real and only culprits linking Islam to violence as their way to intimidate and declare their intention to subjugate them to their vile version of Islam. So now I can understand why I am facing such a tremendously difficult time getting Muslims to support and join me to show faith in and to promote the goodness of their Quran.

Robert Spencer, Director of “Jihad Watch” came to the same conclusion as me---that the real and only culprits linking violence to Islam were the Muslims themselves. Read his article yourself, which I had shortened it below:

“The Fitna Firestorm---by Robert Spencer, Director of Jihad Watch”
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fitna-firest...

He wrote:“Fitna in Arabic means discord or upheaval; it is also the name of a 16-minute film by Dutch politician Geert Wilders that appeared last Thursday, and has done nothing since then but … create fitna.…The multinational Islamic body and largest single voting bloc at the UN, the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference, condemned Fitna in “the strongest terms,” claiming that Wilders’s movie was “a deliberate act of discrimination against Muslims” intended only to “provoke unrest and intolerance.”
....With somewhat woolly logic, Jorge Sampaio, UN High Representative for the Alliance of Civilizations, urged the world not to overemphasize extremism, for to do so would only create extremism:“We should indeed beware of overemphasizing it, because extremism anywhere is extremism everywhere, thanks to new media technologies. Few people think of themselves as extremists, but many can be pushed towards an extreme point of view, almost without noticing it, when they feel that the behavior or language of others is extreme. We therefore deeply regret this offensive film.”
So in other words, don’t point out the evil that the “extremists” are committing, or they’ll just do more of it.
The core objection to the film was that it linked Islam with violence. The Prime Minister of the Netherlands, Jan Peter Balkenende, declared that this was a false linkage:“We reject this interpretation. The vast majority of Muslims reject extremism and violence. In fact, the victims are often also Muslims.”…
But is Geert Wilders the one really responsible for the connection of Islam with violence? An answer can be found in the film itself.“(continues below)

NO EVIDENCE THAT GEERT WILDERS LINKS ISLAM TO VIOLENCE---MUSLIMS CULPRITS THEMSELVES DID SO---PART 2

“The Fitna Firestorm---by Robert Spencer, Director of Jihad Watch”
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fitna-firest...

“But is Geert Wilders the one really responsible for the connection of Islam with violence? An answer can be found in the film itself.

The main part of it features a series of quotations from the Qur’an, followed by scenes of violent acts committed by Muslims. But the key question is whether or not the violent acts really have anything to do with the Qur’an quotes.

Most of Wilders’s detractors would say that they do not, but Wilders has already accounted for this objection in the film itself. For example, the first verse of the Qur’an presented in Fitna is 8:60:“Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah and your enemies…”

Wilders follows this with heart-rending scenes from 9/11 and the March 11, 2004 Madrid train bombings, as we hear two women calling for help on those days. The women are indeed terrified, but what does this have to do with Qur’an 8:60? An Islamic preacher — not Wilders or any other non-Muslim — soon appears to answer this question, stating in terms that clearly recall that verse of the Qur’an:“Annihilate the infidels and the polytheists, your (Allah’s) enemies and the enemies of the religion. Allah, count them and kill them to the last one…
Fitna then quotes Qur’an 4:56 —“Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise”— and follows this with a series of scenes of Muslim preachers calling for the killing of Jews. The first of these even quotes the notorious genocidal hadith in which Muhammad says:“The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.”
But the film makes no mention of the presence of this in authoritative Islamic sources, albeit not in the Qur’an itself. Nor, when it cuts to a three-year-old girl telling a television interviewer that the Jews are “apes and pigs” because Allah said so in the Qur’an, it doesn’t provide the references (2:62-65; 5:59-60: 7:166). And while the Qur’an is full of fiercely antisemitic passages (2:89; 3:112; 9:30; and many more), 4:56 is not one of them, but is merely a general warning of the hellfire that awaits those who reject Islam.
However, what Wilders may have had in mind comes clear from depictions of two Muslim protestors, one holding a sign saying,“Be prepared for the real Holocaust,” and another carrying one reading,“God Bless Hitler.” Maybe the reference in Qur’an 4:56 to the roasting of skins led Wilders to connect this verse to this thirst for a new Holocaust — and here again, while Islamic leaders don’t invoke 4:56 to justify this bloodlust, they do quote other Islamic texts that most Muslims consider authoritative. And so here again, the equation of Islam with violence doesn’t come from Wilders himself, but from the Muslims he features in the film.
After this comes Qur’an 47:4:“Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them).” Wilders follows this with images of two unbelievers whose necks were struck by the warriors of jihad: Theo van Gogh and Nick Berg.
The statements of the perpetrators make it clear that they believed themselves to be acting in accord with Islamic imperatives.”…
(continues below)

NO EVIDENCE THAT GEERT WILDERS LINKS ISLAM TO VIOLENCE---MUSLIMS CULPRITS THEMSELVES DID SO---PART 3
Mohammed Bouyeri, the murderer of van Gogh, clutched a Qur’an as he told a Dutch court in 2005:“What moved me to do what I did was purely my faith. I was motivated by the law that commands me to cut off the head of anyone who insults Allah and his prophet.”….jihadist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi invoked Muhammad’s example to justify the beheading of Berg:“Is it not time for you [Muslims] to take the path of jihad and carry the sword of the Prophet of prophets?…The Prophet, the most merciful, ordered [his army] to strike the necks of some prisoners in [the battle of] Badr & to kill them.… And he set a good example for us.”
“Here again, the Islamic justification for these acts of barbarism comes not from Wilders, but from Muslims…..
Next comes Qur’an 4:89:“They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, & thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them & slay them wherever ye find them; & (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
Wilders again illustrates this with Muslims calling for the deaths of those who leave Islam….such as in the case of Abdul Rahman, the Afghan Muslim who was put on trial for his life in 2006 for converting to Christianity before being spirited away to safety in Italy, would be enough to demonstrate that many Muslims take the traditional Islamic death penalty for apostasy seriously — & that it was not invented by Geert Wilders.
Finally, there is Qur’an 8:39:“And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, & there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether & everywhere…”— & a series of Islamic preachers & other Muslims (including Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) asserting that Islam will soon conquer the West & rule the entire world. No non-Muslims are shown saying this.
And that points up the odd myopia of virtually all of the objections to Fitna. It was not Geert Wilders, but the many Muslims he shows in his film, who link Islam with violence. And that link has already been made innumerable times around the world — by Islamic jihad warriors, not by non-Muslim “Islamophobes.” Omar Bakri, once the leading jihadist in Britain but now in exile from the Sceptered Isle, even went so far as to say that with a few small edits, Fitna “could be a film by the Mujahideen.” And that’s precisely the problem: while a growing chorus of Muslim and non-Muslim voices denounces Fitna, what are they doing to limit the activities of the jihadists the film portrays?
The film first appeared at LiveLeak.com on Thursday; however, the next day LiveLeak pulled it, replacing it with an announcement…
Following threats to their staff of a very serious nature....This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net but we have to place the safety and well being of our staff above all else.….Perhaps there is still hope that this situation may produce a discussion that could benefit and educate all of us as to how we can accept one another’s culture.
….“In the end the price was too high” could be the epitaph of the Free West — particularly given the fact that Wilders in the film is merely reporting on how jihadist commit and justify acts of violence and supremacism.
….. if Americans & Westerners & all people who are threatened by the global jihad & Islamic supremacism aren’t willing to give their lives for this cause, then all is lost. Because the jihadists certainly are willing to give their lives for their cause. For them, no price is too high. And if any price is too high for us, then ultimately all we will have to pay is jizya — the tax specified by Qur’an 9:29 for certain non-Muslims (particularly Jews and Christians) subjugated as inferiors under the rule of Islamic Sharia law.
What ever happened to “Give me liberty, or give me death?”

Why not compromise?
Releasing the film satisfies the ideas of the Enlightenment. Freedom of expression, speech and the press are upheld.
Sending the filmmakers on vacation to Mecca should satisfy the Moslem extremists as well.
Both sides win.

Maipenlai kap wrote:

#173 The Koran was a cheap literature with ideas taken from the Old Testament Bible, and exaggerated to show as if it was original and coming from heaven above. But everyone today including literate Muslims know that Muhammad was illiterate and mentally sick with epileptic seizures. He didn’t communicate with Allah. He claimed that angel Gabriel appeared unto him. Muhammad was afraid because angel Gabriel was mightier than him. On the other hand, the Bible records that Jesus was greater than the angels, and the angels worship Him. This shows that Jesus is greater greater than Muhammad. For Muhammad to come to see and speak to Allah, he has to see angel Gabriel first, and second Muhammad has to see Jesus, and then Allah. Unfortunately, during Muhammad lifetime he didn’t get to speak to Allah directly because of his position. So how can Muhammad claim his greatest miracle was the Koran?

PROPHET MOHAMMED SHOULD HAVE ASKED HIS “ANGEL” FOR CLARIFICATIONS, BUT WAS TOO SCARED TO DO SO! OR WAS HE?

Good post, brother! The coward Prophet Mohammed was too scared to question his death-threatening "angel Gabriel" why he often contradicted himself in his messages to him and so confused mankind (and his own understanding) of what was good and bad.

In my Bible, Allah (God) always welcomes His people to reason and argue with Him. The Most High says,“Come now, let us reason together….Put me in remembrance, let us argue together; set forth your case, that you may be proved right” Isaiah 1:18, 43:26

So Prophet Mohammed should have asked his "angel Gabriel” for clarification why he was saying one thing to Joseph and Mary (mother of Jesus); but to him he was saying the exact opposite, thereby causing so much unnecessary confusion, bloodshed and killing among mankind. And this senseless fighting, blood-shedding and killing of innocent people had been going on since the foundation of Islam, to prove that Islam is a great religion of peace and goodness!

Strange way of proving it, isn't it? Allahu Akbar!!

Geert Wilders sucks.