Before 1832, what were greeks?

Before 1832, what were greeks? Nothing exept Greaseland:
The history did recorded them as group of people; Albanian, turks, vlahs, Macedonians, mongols, gypsies,and many others. They created nation for the first time and with the help of Germany, with Bavarian king Otto and for the first time they name themselfs with the new name GREECE from the latin italian name Gracia.

albanian and slav mixture for sure.......

this is what they were before ...NOTHINGS...according to their own historians...

Plato

Though many will look towards the story of Atlantis and its Egyptian source, it is actually Plato’s philosophy that is the best example of this anomaly. Plato stated that many souls of the deceased reincarnated, both in animals and humans. This concept was unknown in Greece, where it was believed that death signalled the end; only an “underworld” lay behind the veil of death. It were the Egyptians who believed that death was only a passing, the soul continuing to exist beyond that event.

Greek myths take the evidence further. They clearly state that the first “Greeks” were Egyptians, who had colonised the Greek isles and mainland. Diodorus Siculus wrote that Kekrops originated from Egypt and founded Athens as a colony of the Egyptian town of Sais. The goddess Athena was in truth the Egyptian Neith, matron of the city of Sais. Two Greek families, the Eumolpidae and the Ceryces, were said to descend from Egyptian priests. The two families were tasked with the rituals of the goddess Athena. They stated:“and their offerings and their old ceremonies were practiced by the people of Athens in the same manner as it was held with the ancient Egyptians.[These two families] are the only Greeks who swear to Isis and they resemble both facially and in mannerisms the Egyptians.”
Martin Bernal adds that Neith was written as “Ht” in Egyptian. This was pronounced “Ath” or “At”. This means that even in Sais, the ancient goddess Neith was addressed as “Athanait”, with the Greeks later chosing to call the “nait” ending for Neith, rather than the “Athan” for “Athena”. Such verbal gymnastics aside, it is known that the Greek writer Charax of Pergamon, in ca. 200 AD, wrote that the inhabitants of Sais referred to their town as “Athenai”.

COME ON GET IT RIGHT.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardanus

Taralinga wrote:

Before 1832, what were greeks? Nothing exept Greaseland:
The history did recorded them as group of people; Albanian, turks, vlahs, Macedonians, mongols, gypsies,and many others. They created nation for the first time and with the help of Germany, with Bavarian king Otto and for the first time they name themselfs with the new name GREECE from the latin italian name Gracia.

Total fabrication and farce in the making and they call us
Thieves,Malakesmenos the whole lot of them!

What on earth does True Macedonia, the territory of the ancient Hellenic kingdom of Macedon, have to do with Paionia, Vardar or Illyrida?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedon
Macedonia or Macedon (from Greek: Μακ εδο νία , Makedonía) was a kingdom in ancient Greece, centered in the northeastern part of the Greek peninsula.[1] The homeland of the ancient Macedonians, it was bordered by the kingdom of Epirus to the west, Paionia to the north, the region of Thrace to the east. and of Thessaly to the south. For a brief period, after the conquests of Alexander the Great, it became the most powerful state in the world, with borders including the whole of Greece and as far as India; at that time it inaugurated the Hellenistic period of history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paionia
Paionia or Paeonia (Greek: Παι ονί α) was in ancient geography, the land of the Paeonians (Ancient Greek Παί ονε ς), the exact boundaries of which, like the early history of its inhabitants, are very obscure but they were in the region of Thrace. In the time of Classical Greece, Paionia originally including the whole Axios River valley and the surrounding areas, in what is now the northern part of the Greek region of Macedonia, most of the Republic of Macedonia, and a small part of western Bulgaria.[1] It was located immediately north of ancient Macedon (roughly corresponding to the modern Greek region of Macedonia) and south of Dardania (Europe)(roughly corresponding to modern-day Kosovo).

http://www.vancouver2010.com/more-2010-inform...

This is GREECE, WORLDWIDE CHERISHED.

ShagrilaFabianFabuds wrote:

http://www.vancouver2010.com/m ore-2010-information/olympic-t orch-relay/lighting-ceremony-p hoto-gallery_148180Tq.html
This is GREECE, WORLDWIDE CHERISHED.

Those photo's of the priestesses in Ancient Olympia send shivers down my spine and fill my eyes with tears of joy........

The pride I feel in my ancestory in insurmountable and indescribable......pity the Skopjians who have NOTHING!!!!!

Born free - Molon lave wrote:

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Those photo's of the priestesses in Ancient Olympia send shivers down my spine and fill my eyes with tears of joy........
The pride I feel in my ancestory in insurmountable and indescribable......pity the Skopjians who have NOTHING!!!!!

what ancestry do you feel proud of ??????? are you a greek whose ancestors prior to 1832 were albanians,vlachs,slavs or macedonians or were your ancestors prior to the 1920's christian turks who entered the balkans as refugees ??????????

ONE NAME ONE NATION MACEDONIA
http://www.ancientmacedonia.com/

Taralinga wrote:

Before 1832, what were greeks? Nothing exept Greaseland:
The history did recorded them as group of people; Albanian, turks, vlahs, Macedonians, mongols, gypsies,and many others. They created nation for the first time and with the help of Germany, with Bavarian king Otto and for the first time they name themselfs with the new name GREECE from the latin italian name Gracia.

For the sake of argument lets assume that Greece did not exist before 1832. For the same argument FYROM did not exist before 1992. So then, Greece is in existence 177years. FYROM 17 years. We are 160 years ahead of you.(That is theoretically, literally though we are 4000 years ahead of you).

Again for the sake of argument lets accept what you say that "They created nation for the first time and with the help of Germany, with Bavarian king Otto". Then we will also accept the fact that FYROM was created for the first time with the help of NATO, US with Albright , Clinton and GREECE ( as A NATO member).

Greece fought for its independence with thousand dead and hundred heroes. FYROM did not lift a finger, no fighting, no dead, no heroes.

So you see my little FYROMian, you can tahnk GREECE for your independence.

It is funny to read all the angry posts from the slavs. They want to be important so they steal Greek indentity. How do you skops explain the fact that you have the same language as Bulgaria? How do you skops explain the fact that your name was vardaska? All of the sudden Tito created your fake identity in 1944. Give it up you pierogi eating bitches. Incoming veto round 2!

Fred wrote:

It is funny to read all the angry posts from the slavs. They want to be important so they steal Greek indentity. How do you skops explain the fact that you have the same language as Bulgaria? How do you skops explain the fact that your name was vardaska? All of the sudden Tito created your fake identity in 1944. Give it up you pierogi eating bitches. Incoming veto round 2!

And as much as you tell these zoa the facts the more they just don't get it....BUT they do understand the word VETO

Either the skops are to stupid or they choose to ignore facts. The skops have a selective memory. When you are brain washed like the skops you can not think for yourself they rely on maknews.

Taralinga wrote:

Before 1832, what were greeks? Nothing exept Greaseland:
The history did recorded them as group of people; Albanian, turks, vlahs, Macedonians, mongols, gypsies,and many others. They created nation for the first time and with the help of Germany, with Bavarian king Otto and for the first time they name themselfs with the new name GREECE from the latin italian name Gracia.

Anthony D. Smith is one of most important worldwide contemporary scholars of ethnology similar of Hobsbawm, Gellner and Anderson. He is Editor-in-Chief of the scholarly journal Nations and Nationalism (Cambridge University Press) and is the author of many books on the subject including his "classic" The Ethnic origins of Nations. He is a former student of the philosopher and anthropologist Ernest Gellner, but did not share his view of nationalism in the long run. He created an approach of nationalism he called ethnosymbolism, which is a synthesis of modernist and traditional views on the subject.

According to Smith A nation-state can be defined as “a state claming to be a nation”, while a nation, can be defined as “a named population sharing an historic territory, common myths and historical memories, a mass public culture, a common economy and common legal rights and duties for its members”. An ethnie is in turn defined as ”a named population sharing a collective proper name, a presumed common ancestry, shared historical memories, one or more differencing elements of common culture, an association with a specific ‘homeland’ and a sense of solidarity for significant sectors of the population”.

From the above you can realize that that modern Greeks are the descendants of all the peoples who have adopted and retained that language and that civilization from classical times to the present. I am not claim that genetic purity is an ideal for the Greek people and the others racist thinks.As I said even Sforza put two others factors except the clusters and these are the language and the history. Modern Greek nation is not an entirely modern formation, for it is based on much older cultural groups (ethnies). Greek ethnies (like Arvanites, Vlachs, Slavophones etc.) present "permanent cultural attributes" such as memory, value, myths and symbolisms. Greek ethnies present a common cultural origin descending from ancient Greece and Byzantium. Thus, as Smith points out, "the challenge for scholars is to represent more accurately and convincingly the relationship of ethnic, cultural (Greek) past to modern (Greek) nation".

Let’s see what Smith said as about the issue….

But his genetic and physical inference from cases of ethnic durability cannot account for the considerable variability, wide range and frequent absorptions and dissolutions of instances of ethnic affiliation, and the fact that many ethnies have undergone large-scale changes of culture and, in some cases, of demography. This is the case even in such a culturally long-lived example as the Greeks, where undoubted evidence of massive rupture of demographic continuity by the influx of Albanians and Slavs on the Greek mainland from the sixth to eighth centuries AD and of considerable, though not complete, culture change after the conversion to Orthodoxy, call into question the continuity and influence of a common ancient Greek biological and genetic inheritance on modern Greeks.
[Nationalism and Modernism, 2003, page 150]

Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ethnic continuity, since, despite massive cultural changes over the centuries, certain key identifying components—name, language, customs, religious community and territorial association—were broadly maintained and reproduced for millennia.
[Nationalism and Modernism, 2003, page 191]

This is not to deny for one moment cither the enormous cultural changes undergone by the Greeks despite a surviving sense of common ethnicity or the cultural influence of surrounding peoplesand civilizations over two thousand years. At the same time in terms of script and language, certain values, a particular environment and its nostalgia, continuous social interactions, and a sense of religious and cultural difference, even exclusion, a sense of Greek identity and common sentiments of ethnicity can be said to have persisted beneath the many social and political changes of the last two thousand years.
[National Identity, 1991, pages 29-30]


Anthony D. Smith is the perfect modern weapon in those that deny the Greek continuity of the Greek nation thought centuries.

ihatepontians wrote:

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what ancestry do you feel proud of ??????? are you a greek whose ancestors prior to 1832 were albanians,vlachs,slavs or macedonians or were your ancestors prior to the 1920's christian turks who entered the balkans as refugees ??????????

whats the matter malaka? no pride in yourself. Just another malaka skopjianos from Florina hey? or is it Papayianni or Itea or Amohori? My families Greek lineage is documented for over 500years mate, our lands and houses have been in our familiy for Centuries, we fought the Ottomans, Albanians, Italians, Bulgarians and Germans. Can you say the same for your little village full of LEPESHKE Bulgare? Now F**K OFF and leave My Makedonia to the real Makethones.......

Born free - Molon lave wrote:

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whats the matter malaka? no pride in yourself. Just another malaka skopjianos from Florina hey? or is it Papayianni or Itea or Amohori? My families Greek lineage is documented for over 500years mate, our lands and houses have been in our familiy for Centuries, we fought the Ottomans, Albanians, Italians, Bulgarians and Germans. Can you say the same for your little village full of LEPESHKE Bulgare? Now F**K OFF and leave My Makedonia to the real Makethones.......

hey malaka....only 500 years !!!!! even you greaseballs admit that we "so called slavs" have been there in macedonia for 1500 years... i think your baba and dedo spoke the same language as us macedonians... i think you are a grkoman traitor living in limbo....wake up you tikva ...... P.S stop watching hollywood movies with your "molon lave" crap !!!!!!!!