average wage in greece 400 euro and falling.

Ask the steel workers in Athens why they are on a nine month strike..no one can live on 400 Euro a month...reality check...it will get lower or no.jobs...lol..

The Lie Detector wrote:

Ask the steel workers in Athens why they are on a nine month strike..no one can live on 400 Euro a month...reality check...it will get lower or no.jobs...lol..

http://www.balkans.com/open-news.php...
Dont worry about us Bulgare,we are fine!

The Lie Detector wrote:

Ask the steel workers in Athens why they are on a nine month strike..no one can live on 400 Euro a month...reality check...it will get lower or no.jobs...lol..

Bre Malaka the average wage in FYR Makedonija is approx $30,000 Dinars pa which equates to about $460 Euro per year. So you are laughing at the Greeks for earning $400 Euro per month but your mob in Mankeydonija are earning that once a year. LOL
Georgaki says ZDRAVO!

The Lie Detector wrote:

Ask the steel workers in Athens why they are on a nine month strike..no one can live on 400 Euro a month...reality check...it will get lower or no.jobs...lol..

Greece's financials/internal issues will not serve as a means to solve your identity. Identity can never be altered.

Stop acting like a juvenile jumping up and down like a monkey.

no chicken for greece!

Serres Makethonia wrote:

<quoted text>Bre Malaka the average wage in FYR Makedonija is approx $30,000 Dinars pa which equates to about $460 Euro per year. So you are laughing at the Greeks for earning $400 Euro per month but your mob in Mankeydonija are earning that once a year. LOL
Georgaki says ZDRAVO!

460 $ per year, who told you that?
It's about 250 - 300 euros per month, that's average, but since the average is raised by some extreme salaries and especialy the salaries in Skopje, the real average salary is around 250 euros per month, 15 000 MK denars, or 3000 euros per year.

Dejan wrote:

<quoted text>
460 $ per year, who told you that?
It's about 250 - 300 euros per month, that's average, but since the average is raised by some extreme salaries and especialy the salaries in Skopje, the real average salary is around 250 euros per month, 15 000 MK denars, or 3000 euros per year.

Dejan it was an article I read in Balkan Insight Newspaper. I will look for the URL and forward it. I did sound a little low even for Makedonija. Pozdrav

ChickfilA against greeks wrote:

no chicken for greece!

How about chgmtchi, try it, delicioso.

Say thank you Hell-ass to the families that ruled you in debat!

List of political families in Greece

This article lists families where two or more members of that family have been members or ministers of the Hellenic Parliament, the Greek Senate or of the European Parliament.

Gerasimos Arsenis (born 1931): PASOK MP and Minister for National Economy (1982–1985), Economics (1984–1985), Mercantile Marine (1985), Defence (1993–1996), and Education (1996–2000) his wife Louka Katseli,(born 1952): PASOK MP and Minister for the Economy, Competitiveness and Shipping (2009-2010) and Minister for Labour and Social Security (2010–today). Georgios Gennimatas (1939–1994): PASOK MP and Minister for the Interior (1981–1984), Health (1984–1987), Labour (1987–1989) and National Economy (1989, 1993–1994)
his daughter Fofi Gennimata (born 1964): PASOK MP and super-prefect for Athens and Piraeus (2003–2009), Deputy Minister for Health (2009–2010) and Education (2010-today)
Konstantinos Karamanlis (1907–1998): Greek Rally MP, founder of National Radical Union, Prime Minister 1955–63 and 1974–80, President of the Republic 1980–85 and 1990–95.
his brother Achilleas Karamanlis (born 1929): MP and cabinet minister his son Kostas Karamanlis (born 1956): New Democracy MP, Prime Minister 2004–09
his first cousin Michalis Liapis, New Democracy MP and former Minister for Culture
Michail Kyrkos (1893-1967): MP for the Liberal Party, Progressive Party, People's Party and the United Democratic Left. his son Leonidas Kyrkos (1924–2011), MP for the United Democratic Left, MP and MEP for the Communist Party of Greece (Interior), MP for the Coalition of the Left and Progress. Konstantinos Mitsotakis (born 1918): Liberal Party, Centre Union and New Democracy MP, cabinet minister 1978–81, Prime Minister 1990–93 his son-in-law Pavlos Bakoyannis (1935–1989): New Democracy MP, assassinated by 17N his daughter Dora Bakoyannis (born 1954): New Democracy MP, cabinet minister 1992–93 and 2006–09, Mayor of Athens 2003–06 his son Kyriakos Mitsotakis (born 1968): New Democracy MP his son Nikitas Venizelos, MP for Chania, vice-speaker of the Greek Parliament his nephew Kyriakos Mitsotakis, New Democracy MP
his son Konstantinos Mitsotakis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_politica ...
Now see this; Reuters Report “Curtain Falling on Greece’s Ruling Dynasts”
Posted on 09 December 2011 by Stella Tsolakidou Tags: Greek political system, nepotism, Reuters agency, ruling families. According to Reuters’ report “Curtain Falling on Greece’s Ruling Dynasts”, the end for the ruling political families in Greece is very near.
The report is explaining all the reasons why the political situation in Greece is bound to change but underlines that “nepotism and patronage are so deeply rooted, and family and clan loyalties so strong, that change will not come quickly”.
“Political culture doesn’t change overnight and Greek politics is in many ways personalistic and polarized, where the name of the family is far more important than any other credentials,” told Othon Anastasakis, director of Southeast European studies at Britain’s Oxford University to Reuters.
The current recession, however, has brought a wind of change in relative opinion polls, showing that leading PASOK and ND parties are no longer getting the former support from the Greek people as they used to.
The Karamanlis, Papandreou and Mitsotakis families have ruled Greece for almost 50 years in rotation, rendering their names the only qualification for getting at least a seat in parliament. This nepotism had turned the Greek political system into a closed profession, leaving no room for new people and new ideas.

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2011/12/09/re...

They would not have a problem if they where not so corrupt.

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Smart men he new the Metaxas regime was and is still running the country.

Aristotle Onassis Knew that Greeks Were Not Ready for Democracy
By Marianna Tsatsou on July 23, 2012 In News, Opinion

Aristotle Onassis, the shipping colossus of Greek descent, could not be absent from his homeland’s political and financial developments.
In the early 1970s, he commented on Greek Democracy in a small dinner party at Mrs Jacqueline Onassis’ Fifth Avenue apartment in New York. One of the attendants, Bernadette Carey Smith, describes this conversation between the prominent shipping owner and the other guests.
Imagine 10 people in Onassis’ luxurious apartment. Among them were, of course, Aristotle, a.k.a. Ari and his wife Jacqueline, Ari’s Greek godson and his wife, Jackie’s cousin Nina Steers, Gianni Agnelli of Italian origin along with his sister Susanna Rattazzi and the writer’s date David Frost- all of them rich and famous.
As one might expect, Greece’s then financial, social and political situation was a critical issue and thus, friends of Onassis started commenting it. Ari appeared somehow annoyed, writes Mrs Smith, but still attracted them with his stories about trials and perils of doing business in Greece.
His Greek godson made also several remarks on the situation and both men ended up talking about Greek government, which was essentially useless according to Onassis, since “they knew nothing about business or the financial world. In fact, they knew nothing about democracy.”
“The Greeks aren’t ready for democracy,” he added and his friends, surprised by his statement, stopped talking for a while. But taking into account that Greeks had invented democracy, Mrs Smith wondered that if the Greeks weren’t ready to govern themselves, then who on earth was ready?
Everyone laughed back then but this statement reminds us, modern Greeks, that Greece is not ready for democracy even in 2012. No matter how many years after this dinner, Greek governments remain as useless as those decades ago and our ancestors’“invention” means truly nothing to Greek politicians.

Aristotle Onassis, Bernadette Carey Smith, Gianni Agnelli, Greek democracy, Nina Steers

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2012/07/23/ar...

Ioannis Metaxas
Prime Minister and the 4th of August Regime

After a disputed plebiscite, George II returned to take the throne in 1935. The elections of 1936 produced a deadlock between Panagis Tsaldaris and Themistoklis Sophoulis. The political situation was further polarized by the gains made by the Communist Party of Greece (KKE). Disliking the Communists and fearing a coup, George II appointed Metaxas, then minister of war, to be interim prime minister on 13 April 1936, and the appointment was confirmed by the Greek parliament.
Widespread industrial unrest gave Metaxas justification to declare a state of emergency on August 4, 1936. With the king's support, he suspended the parliament indefinitely and suspended various articles of the constitution. In a national radio address, Metaxas declared that for the duration of the state of emergency, he would hold "all the power I need for saving Greece from the catastrophes which threaten her." The regime created as a result of this self-coup became known as "the 4th of August" after the date of its proclamation.
**The regime's propaganda presented Metaxas as "the First Peasant", "the First Worker" and "the National Father" of the Greeks.***

Metaxas adopted the title of Arkhigos, Greek for "leader" or "chieftain", and claimed a "Third Hellenic Civilization", following ancient Greece and the Greek Byzantine Empire of the Middle Ages. State propaganda portrayed Metaxas as a "Saviour of the Nation" bringing unity to a divided nation.
Internal policies

Members of the Greek National Organisation of Youth (EON) salute Ioannis Metaxas.
Patterning his regime on other authoritarian European governments (most notably Fascist Italy),***Metaxas banned political parties, prohibited strikes and introduced widespread censorship of the media.*** National unity was to be achieved by the abolition of the previous political parliamentary system, which was seen as having left the country in chaos (see National Schism).

Metaxas disliked the old parties of the political landscape, including traditional conservatives. Along with anti-parliamentarism, anti-communism formed the second major political agenda of the 4th of August regime. Minister of Security Konstantinos Maniadakis quickly infiltrated and practically dissolved the Communist Party of Greece by seizing its archives and arresting Communist leader Nikos Zachariadis.

Suppressing Communism was followed by a campaign against 'Anti-Greek' literature viewed as dangerous to the national interest. Book burnings targeted authors such as Goethe, Shaw, and Freud, and several Greek writers. Metaxas himself became Minister of Education in 1938, and had all school texts re-written to fit the regime's ideology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioannis_Metaxas

Rosetta stone wrote:

We are BULGARIANS, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."[...]'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?("Macedonian " national icon Krste Misirkov)

http://www.misirkov.org/kpm_zmr_eng.htm

Merkel partners call for Greek euro exit

FDP leader Philipp Roesler, Germany's Vice Chancellor and Economy Minister, claims a Greek euro exit 'has lost its fear factor'
Angela Merkel's coalition partners are lining up to demand a Greek exit from the euro, ratcheting up pressure on the German chancellor and fanning market fears that Greece could shortly be jettisoned from the single currency bloc.

Patrick Doering, general secretary of Merkel's junior coalition partners the Free Democrats (FDP), told the regional Passauer Neue Presse newspaper that Greece could recover and regain competitiveness more quickly outside the euro zone.

"If Greece was no longer a part of the euro zone it could create trust on markets,» he said in remarks published on Tuesday.

He is the latest of a number of top-ranking members of the two smaller parties in Merkel's coalition to call for an exit for the benefit of Greece and to prevent contagion, mindful of the rising cost to Germany of bailing out weaker euro zone states.

Rating agency Moody's acknowledged that burden late on Monday, cutting its outlook on German debt to negative from stable.

FDP leader Philipp Roesler, who is also Germany's Vice Chancellor and Economy Minister, told television over the weekend a Greek exit was no longer a taboo for experts, or his party.«It has lost its fear factor,» he said.

He told broadcaster ARD that he was more than sceptical on whether Greece could meet the terms of its aid package. Faced with insolvency Greeks would decide themselves to leave the single currency, he said.

Inspectors from the international 'troika', the European Commission, European Central Bank and International Monetary Fund, arrive in Athens on Tuesday to focus on some 11.7 billion euros of spending cuts Greece needs to make in 2013 and 2014.

The country's five-year recession may be worsen to deeper than 7 percent this year, Prime Minister Antonis Samaras said on Tuesday, further complicating its efforts to hit the tough budget targets.

The FDP slumped dramatically in opinion polls over the last year but recently has seen some recovery to around 4-5 percent of the vote. It still has 93 seats in the 620-seat Bundestag, or lower parliamentary house, giving it a significant voice on euro zone policy.

Alexander Dobrindt, general secretary of the more influential Christian Social Union (CSU)- the Bavaria-based sister party of Merkel's Christian Democrats (CDU)- on Monday urged Greece to start paying half of its pensions and state salaries in drachmas as part of a gradual exit.

Roesler's comments were condemned as reckless by European Parliament FDP lawmaker Jorgo Chatzimarkakis, who is a German of Greek descent.

"(Roesler's) wording was wrong-headed, he gave the thumbs-down before the troika even arrived in Athens,» he told Deutschlandfunk radio in an interview.

"Germany is highly dependent on developments with the euro and we need it as a stable currency anchor. When we send markets on a downward spiral with comments such as these it is reckless."

Germany's finance ministry on Monday urged people to wait for the results of the troika mission, a stance echoed by Austrian Finance Minister Maria Fekter.

Greece wants two more years to achieve its bailout goals but its lenders have opposed the idea because it would imply even more financial aid.

ekathimerini.com , Tuesday Jul 24, 2012 (14:25)

Greece's 5-month tourism receipts drop 12.5 percent


Greece’s receipts from tourism were 12.5 percent down in the five months through May, as fewer people visited the country.

Tourists spent 1.48 billion euros ($1.8 billion), compared with 1.69 billion euros in the year-earlier period, according to an e-mailed statement from the Bank of Greece. Visitor numbers fell 10.8 percent, the central bank said in the statement.

Tourism accounts for about 16 percent of Greece’s gross domestic product, according to the London-based World Travel and Tourism Council.

[Bloomberg]

ekathimerini.com , Tuesday Jul 24, 2012 (13:48)

Rosetta stone wrote:

Greece's 5-month tourism receipts drop 12.5 percent
Greece’s receipts from tourism were 12.5 percent down in the five months through May, as fewer people visited the country.
Tourists spent 1.48 billion euros ($1.8 billion), compared with 1.69 billion euros in the year-earlier period, according to an e-mailed statement from the Bank of Greece. Visitor numbers fell 10.8 percent, the central bank said in the statement.
Tourism accounts for about 16 percent of Greece’s gross domestic product, according to the London-based World Travel and Tourism Council.
[Bloomberg]
ekathimerini.com , Tuesday Jul 24, 2012 (13:48)

you are on fire..love all the factual evidence these begging Greeks have to eat..present them with facts and they start running...this is just the start, by next year 40% unemployment and a civil war...then. 100 euro will be well paid...

CANADEZOS wrote:

<quoted text>AJDE VRE RIDICULE==>>THOUS OF CRUISE SHIPS SAIL TO THE GREEK ISLES!AS WE SPEAK!

they eat your gyro and then go home..they are not staying to invest in gaylada, just us you...opah..

these steel workers are begging to keep their jobs for 400 euro a month..in macedonia it is ok, we live on the cheaper denar, but in euro gaylada, that is enough just for food!!!

400 euro to much for gypsies, I'm sure they will.go.down to 200...