Libyan women plunge into politics

May 30, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Iol.co.za

Women show their nails painted with the colors of pre-Muammar Gaddafi flags during celebrations of rebels' storming of Gaddafi's main military compound in Tripoli, at the rebel-held town of Benghazi, Libya.

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Jun 3, 2012
 
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The West does not have a Democracy. It has an elections and multiparty bickering; all nice show. But democracy means that people run the Country; in another words, they have the power. In Western democracies the people are powerless. You can see it the best, when they stage huge demonstrations, of course after getting the permit, and never anybody incorporates their grievances into the Government policies. It is self evident that there cannot be a democracy in a society, where there are multibillionaires and homeless. The rich keep the economy going, and they are dictating their Government policies, and clowns that people choose are just parading for a Government.
That's almost exactly what Hitler and Mussolini said about democracy.
The West keeps pushing this sham of democracy by bombings and invasions of countries in order to prevent people from coming up with the true democracies, as for example the Gaddafi had in Libya.
Lol! Have you seen or heard of any Libyans complaining about it? Last I heard they were celebrating their first year without those self-gratifying parasites, Gaddhafi and his family.
Yet, more and more people on the West are expressing dissatisfaction with their version of democracy and are contemplating true, and especially direct or participatory democracy.
Yeah, they’re called losers and failures. Dead beats who just can’t figure that the state is not responsible for their fortunes and they only have themselves to blame for their predicament.

If they don't like it they can all go to N. Korea where they know how to deal with such imbeciles. They'll be given work, fed, told what to think and given little flags to wave around whenever some government big guy drives past. And if they complain they just disappear forever in some obscure penal work camp mining uranium until the die of radiation sickness.
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Jun 3, 2012
 
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Your miserable reading comprehension is showing yet again. I wrote that the Libyans “FREELY DECIDED” to overthrow Gaddhafi. How it was then done is a different matter.
Your analytical skills are so weak and absurd to the point you even don't understand yourself.“FREELY DECIDED” means with no exterior influence, no intrusion, no foreign hands, No underground manipulative activities.Now compare that to the undercover activities of hundreds of French and British secret service agents pretending to be libyan nationals trying to bring the arab spring to Libya.
Add to thad the celerity of light with which the "international community"( USA-UK -France) jumped into it to send in weapons and qataris mercenaries. Here again you will say " Oh, but this is not true, we just went in to help,after the uprising started".
This is the same classical rethoric we all know since the wee hours of neo-colonialism.
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<quoted text>Sure the Chinese government committed the Tienanmen massacre against protesters out of the goodness of its heart. A country that represses its critics and dissidents and practises censorship against them to the extent China does is doing it for only one reason. They’re frightened to death that even the smallest signs of public dissent could spark a bigger issue that could topple the government. And they are absolutely right to be frightened.
Yeah ! and in some western colonial KKKountries ( KKK as Ku Klax Klan), no one is frightened to challenge the statu quo ! Only a green alien from Mars would believe you maybe !
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As any head of state the Queen and her next of kin are paid a certain amount a year plus expenses for their representative services to the country. Anything over and above that they have to pay for themselves. The costs are probably slightly higher than with a run-of-the-mill head of state, but hey, what country otherwise boasts a queen that represents it so impressively like she does? And yes there are people, so called republicans, who are of the opinion that a monarchy doesn’t fit into a modern state and say so openly. So what? They’re just as entitled to an opinion as anybody else.
I respect your opinion about the leadership of your country even if many people find it awkwardly bicephal.
What is curious though is you going after people who say the same thing like you about the leader of their country.It shows how hypocrit somebody is
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I can only guess. Scotland might just shove off into independence. Not that big a deal really. The unification of Scotland and England 300 years ago was at the time maybe a well founded strategic move by the English to prevent Scotland sliding into French or Spanish hands. Nowadays though its just an anarchism that people have gotten used to.Scotland’s independence would mean a lot of money saved by England on its upkeep seeing as Scotland’s standard of living is alimented to a large extent by English tax payers. Many think the Scots will be back after a few years scratching at the door begging to come back into the union. We won’t let them in of course..
It is a tunnel vision which is legitimate for an ordinary citizen but not for leaders.I mean, the British government knows very well
Scotland getting out could set a very bad example and trigger a bomerinang effect with Canada, Australia, New Zeland extrapolating this issue and asking to become full republic like the United states,not paying any dime in taxes to the Crown.
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"Shamed be he who thinks evil of it" Don’t get into what you simply will never be able to understand.
King Edward III dancing with Joan of Kent and something falling down stuff ! Please!
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Panafrican wrote:
<quoted text>Your analytical skills are so weak and absurd to the point you even don't understand yourself.“FREELY DECIDED” means with no exterior influence, no intrusion, no foreign hands, No underground manipulative activities.Now compare that to the undercover activities of hundreds of French and British secret service agents pretending to be libyan nationals trying to bring the arab spring to Libya.
Add to thad the celerity of light with which the "international community"( USA-UK -France) jumped into it to send in weapons and qataris mercenaries. Here again you will say " Oh, but this is not true, we just went in to help,after the uprising started".
Lol! My “analytic skills”! You don’t need “analytic skills to see your lies! They are as plain to see as the light of day. Your assumptions are all completely implausible, irrational and unrealistic of course. But I suppose you’ll be desperately willing to use any old dug up and long ago disproved BS if it supports your agenda.
I respect your opinion about the leadership of your country even if many people find it awkwardly bicephal.
It’s “bicephaly” and means two headed. Not really awkward when you think that this has been the basic form of government of nearly all of the most powerful and successful nations in history including the US. Even the old Roman empire was ruled in this way. BTW Gaddhafi faked it by pretending to let his revolutionary committees rule the country while all the time he was pulling all the shots.
What is curious though is you going after people who say the same thing like you about the leader of their country.It shows how hypocrit somebody is
If Gaddhafi’s family had at least behaved like the British monarchy and not pillaged the country as if it was all their private property they’d still be around today.
It is a tunnel vision which is legitimate for an ordinary citizen but not for leaders.I mean, the British government knows very well
Scotland getting out could set a very bad example and trigger a bomerinang effect with Canada, Australia, New Zeland extrapolating this issue and asking to become full republic like the United states,not paying any dime in taxes to the Crown.
You really do live in the past. These countries have been independent for the past 50 years now with no duties to the UK. They are now just members of the British Commonwealth and can leave the club anytime they want.
King Edward III dancing with Joan of Kent and something falling down stuff ! Please!
If it amuses you. Sigh…

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<quoted text>I guess if Scotland breaks from England we shall see a flood of Scots downunder.We have heaps of Irish fleeing Ireland and heading west to the mines.All good for our nation but a loss for theirs.
The Scots can go wherever they want and if that benefits some other country that's all right with me. My biggest worry though is that many Scots might just shove over to the other side of the border if independence proves an economical disaster aggravating unemployment in the UK even more.

There are reports that exactly this is happening now in Northern Ireland where thousands of people fleeing the bad economical down turn in the Republic have ended up.
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The Scots can go wherever they want and if that benefits some other country that's all right with me. My biggest worry though is that many Scots might just shove over to the other side of the border if independence proves an economical disaster aggravating unemployment in the UK even more.
There are reports that exactly this is happening now in Northern Ireland where thousands of people fleeing the bad economical down turn in the Republic have ended up.
England and co all have issues with their budgets.Down here we are in great shape fiscally and the west and Queensland are booming.We dig rocks up and ship it all overseas to great effect.Send over these Irish and Scottish masses as they helped build our country.Germany can take the Africans!lol.

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<quoted text>England and co all have issues with their budgets.Down here we are in great shape fiscally and the west and Queensland are booming.We dig rocks up and ship it all overseas to great effect.Send over these Irish and Scottish masses as they helped build our country.Germany can take the Africans!lol.
The really big problems here are concentrated more in Southern Europe and then only in Euro zone countries. The rest of the EU seems to be purring on quite all right. Unemployment is high in the UK and extreme in the Republic of Ireland. There are actually enough jobs but most people out of work are either under-qualified or have the wrong qualifications. It's really a matter of getting as many people as possible re-qualified to do other jobs.

What kind of rocks do you "dig up" then? Italy specializes in marble and the UK in granite. Germany does sandstone and granite. The channel isles are supposed have the hardest granite in the world good for cobbled roads if you like your streets to look "olde worlde".
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Of course you have misgivings about democracy. A true democracy rewards the diligent not the dead beats. That’s why losers like you usually whine about how unfair the system is. You can’t move your ass even to save your life so you whine for someone big, strong and powerful to do it for you.
You are here confusing Capitalism and Democracy. While former is economic, the latter is a political system, and they are two separate issues. The cliché that you use about rewards of diligent applies to Capitalist system, and only in its initial stages. As for democracy, it has nothing to do with rewards, or the ways to succeed. It has to do with the extent to which ordinary citizen participates in governing the country. So before your start calling other people names, learn about the subject you are so arrogantly flaunting around.
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That's almost exactly what Hitler and Mussolini said about democracy.
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You think throwing big names makes you look knowledgeable, but it only makes you look funny, as they are unrelated to the topic.
Lol! Have you seen or heard of any Libyans complaining about it? Last I heard they were celebrating their first year without those self-gratifying parasites, Gaddhafi and his family.
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Last I heard, Libyan people are despairing and NATO puppets in Libya are celebrating.
Yeah, they’re called losers and failures. Dead beats who just can’t figure that the state is not responsible for their fortunes and they only have themselves to blame for their predicament.
If they don't like it they can all go to N. Korea where they know how to deal with such imbeciles. They'll be given work, fed, told what to think and given little flags to wave around whenever some government big guy drives past. And if they complain they just disappear forever in some obscure penal work camp mining uranium until the die of radiation sickness.
Actually the people protesting on the West are the cream of the crop. They are educated enough to see the system through. They are gifted enough to have a vision about better solutions. They are gutsy enough to challenge the establishment and its promoted script. The losers and the dead beats are those swallowing the establishment’s mantra and repeating it as a broken record, happy that their conformity assures for them a bit of survival. Conformists are a dry, stagnant soles, which do not dare even to look beyond the status quo. But that’s okay, the World accommodates for all, but the future belongs to those who dare to create, improve, and fight for their vision.
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Lol! My “analytic skills”! You don’t need “analytic skills to see your lies! They are as plain to see as the light of day. Your assumptions are all completely implausible, irrational and unrealistic of course. But I suppose you’ll be desperately willing to use any old dug up and long ago disproved BS if it supports your agenda.
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It’s “bicephaly” and means two headed. Not really awkward when you think that this has been the basic form of government of nearly all of the most powerful and successful nations in history including the US. Even the old Roman empire was ruled in this way. BTW Gaddhafi faked it by pretending to let his revolutionary committees rule the country while all the time he was pulling all the shots.
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If Gaddhafi’s family had at least behaved like the British monarchy and not pillaged the country as if it was all their private property they’d still be around today.
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You really do live in the past. These countries have been independent for the past 50 years now with no duties to the UK. They are now just members of the British Commonwealth and can leave the club anytime they want.
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If it amuses you. Sigh…
About words !!!! Aahhaha, you are late big guy. Your language evolves faster than your brain.
Now back to this thing called commonweath and Canada being independent long time ago: Go to Montreal Canada and explain to French canadians they do not pay any tax to the crown.
Tell them the Governor General of Canada does not represent the Queen of the United Kingdom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_General...

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<quoted text> About words !!!! Aahhaha, you are late big guy. Your language evolves faster than your brain.
You’re confused. Language comes from the brain and can’t evolve faster then it.
Now back to this thing called commonweath and Canada being independent long time ago: Go to Montreal Canada and explain to French canadians they do not pay any tax to the crown.
Tell them the Governor General of Canada does not represent the Queen of the United Kingdom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_General...
And what of it? So, there is a governor general in Canada that represents the Queen who is the head of state of Canada. Every Commonwealth country has a governor general representing the Queen in their country. It’s no big deal.

And no taxes are paid to the crown. The only money that might flow to the crown, depending on the country, is financed by the government of the country for representative services as head of state, same like in any other country.

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You think throwing big names makes you look knowledgeable, but it only makes you look funny, as they are unrelated to the topic.
So, you think Hitler and Mussolini are big names. Most people would say they are infamous names and a quite fitting comparison to your rambling gibber about democracy.
Last I heard, Libyan people are despairing and NATO puppets in Libya are celebrating.
Well, last I heard directly out of Libya from a number of personal contacts - straight from the horses mouth, so to speak - is that everyone there is quite satisfied with how things are going.
Actually the people protesting on the West are the cream of the crop. They are educated enough to see the system through. They are gifted enough to have a vision about better solutions. They are gutsy enough to challenge the establishment and its promoted script.
I suppose you count yourself among these people. When was the last time you took part in a “Occupy” demonstration? I ask, because I have done so twice already in my tent in freezing wet weather for a few days getting threatened with arrest and confiscation of my camping gear.

Sitting on your ass in front of a computer writing gibber, babble and sweet nothings and accusing others of being arrogant is not what I call belonging to the “cream of the crop” or “gutsy”.
The losers and the dead beats are those swallowing the establishment’s mantra and repeating it as a broken record, happy that their conformity assures for them a bit of survival. Conformists are a dry, stagnant soles, which do not dare even to look beyond the status quo. But that’s okay, the World accommodates for all, but the future belongs to those who dare to create, improve, and fight for their vision.
What a load of BS! The Occupy movement is protesting against very rich and powerful people in high places. It’s therefore an arrogant accusation born of ignorance to accuse anyone of being conformist and calling then dead beats just because they don’t actively face up to such powerful people. It takes courage, resolve and a certain amount of material independence from the system to do that, not something everybody has.

In fact I don’t know a single person who is not supportive of the Occupy movement. I’m only active because I’m professionally flexible, financially independent and have a certain professional interest in what’s happening. If we should succeed one day it won’t be thanks to jerks who post gibber all day long on their PCs.

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Chris wrote:
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You are here confusing Capitalism and Democracy. While former is economic, the latter is a political system, and they are two separate issues. The cliché that you use about rewards of diligent applies to Capitalist system, and only in its initial stages.


Oh the expert has spoken! I don’t think.

Did I even mention capitalism? No I didn’t. It’s very revealing though that you immediately equate “rewarding the diligent” with capitalistic bounty. It could mean that too of course but there is a far broader spectrum of rewards for diligence other then just capitalistic gain.

And anyway, seeing as you have mentioned it, comparing capitalism and democracy is like comparing poodles and dogs. All poodles are dogs but not all dogs are poodles. In other words not all democracies practise capitalism, the Scandinavian countries are good examples, but capitalism only flourishes within democracies.
As for democracy, it has nothing to do with rewards, or the ways to succeed. It has to do with the extent to which ordinary citizen participates in governing the country. So before your start calling other people names, learn about the subject you are so arrogantly flaunting around.
Absolutely wrong! It’s a misconception among some that democracy is only about the broad participation of the populous in political discourse and law making. It also includes the concept of rule by law which among other things guarantees the inviolability of private property, a basic requirement for self-fulfilment and capitalist endeavour.

You might call me arrogant but that’s still far better then being an arrogant jerk.

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