judge not?

What does judge not really mean?

Does it mean we have to be tolerant of immorality Evil)?

Eg, Do we need to shut our mouths in the midst of the following?

1. Murderers
2. Drug Dealers
3. Adulterers
4. Corruption
5. Rapists

And, and, and …………………… I took that from my role model. He knows himself, ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Sash_ wrote:

What does judge not really mean?
Does it mean we have to be tolerant of immorality Evil)?
Eg, Do we need to shut our mouths in the midst of the following?
1. Murderers
2. Drug Dealers
3. Adulterers
4. Corruption
5. Rapists
And, and, and …………………… I took that from my role model. He knows himself, ha ha ha ha ha ha.

BE TOLERANT TO PEOPLE AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HURT you IN ANYWAY.

murderers, drug dealers corrupted rapists HURT people; so i don't understand your logic of comparisn here.

Likenkeng wrote:

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BE TOLERANT TO PEOPLE AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HURT you IN ANYWAY.
murderers, drug dealers corrupted rapists HURT people; so i don't understand your logic of comparisn here.

My logic of camparison is based on immorality and evilness.

The points that are listed are all hurtful. I think that they a comparable unless I might have missed others that are not comparable.

Do you have one in mind that is not comparable? I mean No. 6.

Do I keep quiet when my son start gambling because it does not hurt me but him?

Sash_ wrote:

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My logic of camparison is based on immorality and evilness.
The points that are listed are all hurtful. I think that they a comparable unless I might have missed others that are not comparable.
Do you have one in mind that is not comparable? I mean No. 6.

Pele ako re joetse hore na "ROLE MODEL" enoa eeo u buang ka eena ke mang. se ka mpotsa potso ka potso.

Likenkeng wrote:

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Pele ako re joetse hore na "ROLE MODEL" enoa eeo u buang ka eena ke mang. se ka mpotsa potso ka potso.

Ke itse "My logic of camparison is based on immorality and evilness.

The points that are listed are all hurtful. I think that they a comparable unless I might have missed others that are not comparable".

Potso ka potso ke efeng joale. I will ask hape. Uena u loketse ho botsa potso ka potso mara nna ha ka lokeloa?

I am refering to you asking me hore who my role model is.

I do not think that is relevent to the matter which is "Judge not".

So, No.6?

Sash_ wrote:

Do I keep quiet when my son start gambling because it does not hurt me but him?

.......... and problematic gambling is an addiction and not comparable to hinious crimes you have listed above. gambling is comparable to drug or alcohol addiction. simple

Sash_ wrote:

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Ke itse "My logic of camparison is based on immorality and evilness.
The points that are listed are all hurtful. I think that they a comparable unless I might have missed others that are not comparable".
Potso ka potso ke efeng joale. I will ask hape. Uena u loketse ho botsa potso ka potso mara nna ha ka lokeloa?
I am refering to you asking me hore who my role model is.
I do not think that is relevent to the matter which is "Judge not".
So, No.6?

stop talking in puzzles really now. "immorality and evilness" - i wonder what falls under that

Likenkeng wrote:

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.......... and problematic gambling is an addiction and not comparable to hinious crimes you have listed above. gambling is comparable to drug or alcohol addiction. simple

All of those (lead to hinious crimes. I am trying not to ask potso ka potso. I am not being sarcastic about potso. Believe me.

We cannot wait until they become out of control because "Judge Not".

Likenkeng wrote:

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stop talking in puzzles really now. "immorality and evilness" - i wonder what falls under that

The five points that I mentioned except the 6th one that you still have to give as it is not comparable.

Brother Sash! Tolerance to me simply means…do not hate the person BUT hate the sin. As you rightly pointed out in one of the threads, Jesus invited all sinners into the Church AND expected them to repent…Dictionary Definition: To feel remorse, contrition, or self-reproach for what one has done or failed to do; be contrite…Ke nepo hore kereke e nyonye sebe, e seng motho a etsang sebe. God loves us all BUT hates sin AND SO SHOULD WE…

That’s all I can say Brother…

Judge not, Se ahlole motho e mong before you walk a mile in their shoes. Try to understand where, why & what made them do what they did. What options if any did they have.

Other people do ntho tseo o sa tsebeng hore o ka mo tshwarela na, tse tshosang.

Liteboho wrote:

Judge not, Se ahlole motho e mong before you walk a mile in their shoes. Try to understand where, why & what made them do what they did. What options if any did they have.

Well said Liteboho.

It means to NOT pass a value judgement on the person based on the behaviour, so do not deem the person bad/immoral/non-understanding/ wanting/etc. The reason being that you don't understand the overall situation that has led to the behaviour.

Also it means to not approach a 'potential transgressor' with a negative or selfish intention, it should be a positive one stemming from a need to understand and preferably be how you would want to be approached but taking into account that people are different.

Moleko-o-dieta wrote:

<quoted text>Well said Liteboho.
It means to NOT pass a value judgement on the person based on the behaviour, so do not deem the person bad/immoral/non-understanding/ wanting/etc. The reason being that you don't understand the overall situation that has led to the behaviour.
Also it means to not approach a 'potential transgressor' with a negative or selfish intention, it should be a positive one stemming from a need to understand and preferably be how you would want to be approached but taking into account that people are different.

Do I have to kill to understand why people kill before I can say killing is bad or not?

Liteboho wrote:

Judge not, Se ahlole motho e mong before you walk a mile in their shoes. Try to understand where, why & what made them do what they did. What options if any did they have.

What about those who plead poverty for commiting a crime? Is that good enough to murder a breadwinner?

Should we say, he was hungry so he took another person's life. Then more will be hungry and take more lives?

Sash_ wrote:

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Do I have to kill to understand why people kill before I can say killing is bad or not?

If killing was the same in all circumstances you would have to understand only one case but fact is no two killings are exactly the same, there's a multitude of other factors that differ from case to case and these you don't know.

My answer is no, you don't have to kill to know that killing is bad, but you have to know the circumstances of the case and those of the killer to know that what he/she did is bad.

Moleko-o-dieta wrote:

<quoted text>If killing was the same in all circumstances you would have to understand only one case but fact is no two killings are exactly the same, there's a multitude of other factors that differ from case to case and these you don't know.
My answer is no, you don't have to kill to know that killing is bad, but you have to know the circumstances of the case and those of the killer to know that what he/she did is bad.

Therefore I do not need to walk the same path in all instances to understand.

What happens after analysing the circumstances? Take the case of killing due to poverty. Do I judge or not?

Sash_ wrote:

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Therefore I do not need to walk the same path in all instances to understand.
What happens after analysing the circumstances? Take the case of killing due to poverty. Do I judge or not?

Therefore you need to walk the same path in all circumstances to understand.

But even after walking the same path you should still not judge, the reason being that you would still not possess even half let alone all the information pertaining to the case. Sometimes even the person committing the deed doesn't know or understand everything about the situation.

This is why only God can (would) judge, because he knows, and more importantly, understands everything about the person and his circumstances since before he was born that have led him where he is and that affected the decision he made.

You don't know and can't possibly understand all the factors so your judgement (if any) should be limited to the act and never the person.

Sash_ wrote:

What does judge not really mean?
Does it mean we have to be tolerant of immorality Evil)?
Eg, Do we need to shut our mouths in the midst of the following?
1. Murderers
2. Drug Dealers
3. Adulterers
4. Corruption
5. Rapists
And, and, and …………………… I took that from my role model. He knows himself, ha ha ha ha ha ha.

It could mean:
-look the other way.
-pretend you never heard/saw it
-mind your own business........