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#251 Aug 23, 2012
Brother KT!

A peaceful demonstration or street protest should be nothing BUT exactly that – no weapons whatsoever.

If you however want a war with the police…a war you will get

I doubt if I would have reacted differently…as I said, my life is my priority. If your intention is to kill me…I will make sure I kill you first. The fundamental question now is…how do we prevent this from happening again – My ans: There ANC government should make it a law that there will be no weapons at all demonstrations or street protest …carrying a weapon should be no less than a jail offence.

Carrying a weapon defines you as nothing BUT a hooligan…

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#252 Aug 23, 2012
This a whole new issue gentlemen, and for the sake of clarity how about a new topic?

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#253 Aug 23, 2012
katelakapeleolekamorago wrote:
<quoted text>Sash tell me where has ever been a march with no weapons??? then I will agree with you.
What about June 16, 1976? What about the march against pass laws?

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#254 Aug 23, 2012
Moleko-o-dieta wrote:
This a whole new issue gentlemen, and for the sake of clarity how about a new topic?
O bua 'nete my brother

Bana beso a re hlompheleng brother Chitja topiking ea hae...taba mona ke hore na re le batho ba batsho (not only black South Africans) re botsoa kapa chee?

Someone then intelligently put the question the other way round - Are black people hard workers? might have been you brother Moleko-o-dieta; My ans would then be - I know a few hard workers. As for the rest mmmm..Nope.That's my take...many other black people share that view...I illustrated that point by what African American comedians often say...however, communicating their message mildly through humor. Brother Chitja's opinion is no different...his approach offended a lot of people and diluted what is as a matter of fact a brilliant topic needing objective and not emotional contribution.

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#256 Aug 24, 2012
katelakapeleolekamorago wrote:
<quoted text>So are you saying it is in the nature of police to kill people even during a peacefull protest. Then I would say no matter what even if the people didnt bring weapons police could have still killed them like at these peacefull marches with no weapons.
No, I am showing you the difference between peaceful marchers and violent ones. Lets leave it here.

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#258 Aug 24, 2012
katelakapeleolekamorago wrote:
Show me how you treat your vulnerables, weak sick and old. And I will tell you what type of people you are. Bosehloho ba Hitlera bo kaone.
Lol.

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#259 Aug 24, 2012
MOANANONG wrote:
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O bua 'nete my brother
Bana beso a re hlompheleng brother Chitja topiking ea hae...taba mona ke hore na re le batho ba batsho (not only black South Africans) re botsoa kapa chee?
Someone then intelligently put the question the other way round - Are black people hard workers? might have been you brother Moleko-o-dieta; My ans would then be - I know a few hard workers. As for the rest mmmm..Nope.That's my take...contribution.
It was Wishmaker who asked the question. My question to you is do you know the entire black population when you say you only know a few who are hard workers. What is the baseline for determining a hard worker. Are you talking about proffesionals, sportsmen, gardeners, garbage men, nannies, leaners etc?
MOANANONG wrote:
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...I illustrated that point by what African American comedians often say...however, communicating their message mildly through humor. Brother Chitja's opinion is no different...his approach offended a lot of people and diluted what is as a matter of fact a brilliant topic needing objective and not emotional contribution.
I do not think jokes really define the real characteristics of the entire population because of a few individuals that were observed doing the things that comedians joke about. Eg, there are Jokes about muslims but that does not make them all suicide bombers.

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#260 Aug 24, 2012
"I meant cleaners and not leaners".

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#261 Aug 24, 2012
Brother Sash! Lemme give a small assignment in response to your question…go to your rural community or your neighbourhood and count out how many sites/homes have enough land to produce vegetables for a family consumption and that peace of land instead full of shrub. What might surprise you more is that the majority of the very families are starving and living on welfare handouts…

The second assignment…visit your closest metropolitan, take your time to observe the posture and walk of the differently ethnic groups walking by you. I can bet you right now…the posture and walk of 90% of whites walking by will be one filled with purpose and urgency….most blacks walking by will be dragging their feet and looking tired at all times – with no sense urgency at all in their walk.

As for Muslims, I can assure you that sitting next to one in an airplane will be a terrifying experience for me for the whole trip – my mind will be filled with 9/11 images. As I said my brother, African American stand-up-comedy is not only humor…it’s a way of relaying black history/background.

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#262 Aug 24, 2012
MOANANONG wrote:
Brother Sash! Lemme give a small assignment in response to your question…go to your rural community or your neighbourhood and count out how many sites/homes have enough land to produce vegetables for a family consumption and that peace of land instead full of shrub. What might surprise you more is that the majority of the very families are starving and living on welfare handouts…
The second assignment…visit your closest metropolitan, take your time to observe the posture and walk of the differently ethnic groups walking by you. I can bet you right now…the posture and walk of 90% of whites walking by will be one filled with purpose and urgency….most blacks walking by will be dragging their feet and looking tired at all times – with no sense urgency at all in their walk.
As for Muslims, I can assure you that sitting next to one in an airplane will be a terrifying experience for me for the whole trip – my mind will be filled with 9/11 images. As I said my brother, African American stand-up-comedy is not only humor…it’s a way of relaying black history/background.
Please answer my questions so that we can move forward step by step.

Do you know the entire black population when you say you only know a few who are hard workers.What is the baseline for determining a hard worker? Are you talking about proffesionals, sportsmen, gardeners, garbage men, nannies, leaners etc? Let me add people who's work is to unblock sewers, car mechanics, mine workers, police men, bricklayers, people who dig trenches at construction sites, delivery "boys", grass cutters, traffic controllers during rainy season, car guards, car washers, tea ladies, And,And,And.

Your assignment is think about a nanny who takes care of other people's kids instead of taking care of her own. The others we will discuss them later.

I still maintain that a black man is a hard worker. The problem is a few who tarnish our image.

I will answer your assignments after you respond to the above and rest assured that I have answers for them.

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#263 Aug 26, 2012
Brother Sash! I have answered your question…what more should I say???

M highly disappointed…I expected luminous questions from you. Anyway! Do you have the slightest idea what a hypothesis is???? people like Max Weber sociologist, philosopher, and political economist who profoundly influenced social theory did not have to travel around the world to know everybody to theorize on human behaviour…a question such as ‘Do you know the entire black population when you say you only know a few who are hard workers…?’ is the dumbest I’ve probably come across in a long time.

As for people who pick-up human waste And And And – What about them ‘em??? I am talking about black people generally being lazy – So! What’s your question exactly??? White people do pick-up s… and wash cars, etc – what’s so special about that? Are you perhaps saying just coz blacks dominate in this kind of work…they’re therefore hard workers - How low do you really you want blacks to go my brother? Why cant I have a white nanny to look after my kids right here in South Africa OR a white boy to look after my herd of cattle – molisana oa lekhooa????

My friend! Its not a few black people who tarnish black image…it is many and that unfortunately clouds the success and hard work of the few. If black people were smart and hard workers as you wish…Africa would be one of the world’s wealthiest continents in this globe– unfortunately its wealth is transferred to other continents to this day…

I see laziness where ever I go in black folks…Y’knw! It’s a pity coz much as you sound smart, its really people with your outlook to reality who make it difficult for Africa to overcome its demons and shine – coz of denial. DENIAL is deadly disease…its worse than ignorance. Take HIV/AIDS just as an example…if black people (Africans)had not been in denial for so long….many would still be alive and productive today.
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#264 Aug 26, 2012
MOANANONG wrote:
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O bua 'nete my brother
Bana beso a re hlompheleng brother Chitja topiking ea hae...taba mona ke hore na re le batho ba batsho (not only black South Africans) re botsoa kapa chee?
Someone then intelligently put the question the other way round - Are black people hard workers? might have been you brother Moleko-o-dieta; My ans would then be - I know a few hard workers. As for the rest mmmm..Nope.That's my take...many other black people share that view...I illustrated that point by what African American comedians often say...however, communicating their message mildly through humor. Brother Chitja's opinion is no different...his approach offended a lot of people and diluted what is as a matter of fact a brilliant topic needing objective and not emotional contribution.
'Nete ke hore batho ba batsho ba botsoa!!'Na ke bona hore e utloisitse batho bo hloko haholo hobane e ile ea supa ka monoana 'me ke lumela leha e le 'nete ha kaalo empa che ho supa ha se taba e monate. Taba ke hore le hona Lesotho mono ntse re na le tsona likhoba feela mona SA ho bonaha haholo hobane likhoba tsena li itshereletsa tlase polotiki. Joale banna ke mathata. Joale ha ke utliosise bana ba tla fetola topic ba tle ka sekhooa sena sa bona mona. Hape ha se forum ea SA kapa Marikana ena, ke ea LESOTHO 'me sekhooa se bu u oa laboraro feela.

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#265 Aug 26, 2012
MOANANONG wrote:
Brother Sash! I have answered your question…what more should I say???
M highly disappointed…I expected luminous questions from you. Anyway! Do you have the slightest idea what a hypothesis is???? people like Max Weber sociologist, philosopher, and political economist who profoundly influenced social theory did not have to travel around the world to know everybody to theorize on human behaviour…a question such as ‘Do you know the entire black population when you say you only know a few who are hard workers…?’ is the dumbest I’ve probably come across in a long time.
As for people who pick-up human waste And And And – What about them ‘em??? I am talking about black people generally being lazy – So! What’s your question exactly??? White people do pick-up s… and wash cars, etc – what’s so special about that? Are you perhaps saying just coz blacks dominate in this kind of work…they’re therefore hard workers - How low do you really you want blacks to go my brother? Why cant I have a white nanny to look after my kids right here in South Africa OR a white boy to look after my herd of cattle – molisana oa lekhooa????
My friend! Its not a few black people who tarnish black image…it is many and that unfortunately clouds the success and hard work of the few. If black people were smart and hard workers as you wish…Africa would be one of the world’s wealthiest continents in this globe– unfortunately its wealth is transferred to other continents to this day…
I see laziness where ever I go in black folks…Y’knw! It’s a pity coz much as you sound smart, its really people with your outlook to reality who make it difficult for Africa to overcome its demons and shine – coz of denial. DENIAL is deadly disease…its worse than ignorance. Take HIV/AIDS just as an example…if black people (Africans)had not been in denial for so long….many would still be alive and productive today.
My friend, if you wish to engage me in a topic you must refrain from words like "dumbest". You are being emotional contrary to your plea about not being emotional.

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#266 Aug 26, 2012
MOANANONG wrote:
Brother Sash! I have answered your question…what more should I say???
M highly disappointed…I expected luminous questions from you. Anyway! Do you have the slightest idea what a hypothesis is???? people like Max Weber sociologist, philosopher, and political economist who profoundly influenced social theory did not have to travel around the world to know everybody to theorize on human behaviour…a question such as ‘Do you know the entire black population when you say you only know a few who are hard workers…?’ is the dumbest I’ve probably come across in a long time.
As for people who pick-up human waste And And And – What about them ‘em??? I am talking about black people generally being lazy – So! What’s your question exactly??? White people do pick-up s… and wash cars, etc – what’s so special about that? Are you perhaps saying just coz blacks dominate in this kind of work…they’re therefore hard workers - How low do you really you want blacks to go my brother? Why cant I have a white nanny to look after my kids right here in South Africa OR a white boy to look after my herd of cattle – molisana oa lekhooa????
My friend! Its not a few black people who tarnish black image…it is many and that unfortunately clouds the success and hard work of the few. If black people were smart and hard workers as you wish…Africa would be one of the world’s wealthiest continents in this globe– unfortunately its wealth is transferred to other continents to this day…
I see laziness where ever I go in black folks…Y’knw! It’s a pity coz much as you sound smart, its really people with your outlook to reality who make it difficult for Africa to overcome its demons and shine – coz of denial. DENIAL is deadly disease…its worse than ignorance. Take HIV/AIDS just as an example…if black people (Africans)had not been in denial for so long….many would still be alive and productive today.
Hypothesis is axactly what it is which are assumptions.

You are in denial of the fact that we have challenges that we need to deal with as a result of history. You want to glorify it as our saviour and you also praise it as our failure. Africa is poor due to many factors and one of them is not laziness. What is the role of the IMF today in terms of helping Africa and the world at large. Do you really think that poor countries can become rich without reforming the policies of the IMF, World Bank? Did you do anything when USA invaded other countries?

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#267 Aug 26, 2012
Brother Sash! m not the emotional type…u must have realized that by now. My apology for over emphasizing my point…I did not mean to offend you.

If there is one thing that turns my stomach, is when people continue to hide behind the past in the 21st century – f…the past, is that perhaps why you feel that blacks deserve second-rate tasks and be commented for it? Why I should I be proud to be picking up human-waste for a job?‘Na ke bile mophaphathei (refugee)…that however did not make me fold my arms and feel sori for myself, I dreamed of a better future and labored for it. Ha thaka tsaka li ne li le majoaleng Ie bananeng I was busy studying…sleeping late at night around 1am…that’s why m today saying – f…k history. I know I deserve better in this life AND smarter than most white folks - have proven that on many occasions in forums with them.
I am probably now becoming emotional and here is why – we blacks deserve a lot better AND also deserve to be respected by other races. If you pay attention when watching movies, even the Chinese think we are backward…trapped in the stone age era AND that pisses me off so much -‘Yes’ I get emotional.

The IMF and World Bank…did you really believe that these two organs were formed to help Africa? My friend…lemme put it to you in a mild fashion – that’s the 21st century colonialism. Those handouts were meant to further estrange Africa and the rest of the developing world to be more dependent AND CERTAINLY NOT independent. My friend…I am not blaming you – I blame it on our Eurocentric Education. When I was studying I had a standoff with one of my Professors (WHITE) over this issue – he was feeding us bulls…t.

My brother! Please snap out of denial…help your fellow blacks to come out of slave mentality

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#268 Aug 26, 2012
Monna mosotho wrote:
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'Nete ke hore batho ba batsho ba botsoa!!'Na ke bona hore e utloisitse batho bo hloko haholo hobane e ile ea supa ka monoana 'me ke lumela leha e le 'nete ha kaalo empa che ho supa ha se taba e monate. Taba ke hore le hona Lesotho mono ntse re na le tsona likhoba feela mona SA ho bonaha haholo hobane likhoba tsena li itshereletsa tlase polotiki. Joale banna ke mathata. Joale ha ke utliosise bana ba tla fetola topic ba tle ka sekhooa sena sa bona mona. Hape ha se forum ea SA kapa Marikana ena, ke ea LESOTHO 'me sekhooa se bu u oa laboraro feela.
Mohlomphei…ke soabile ka ho bea taba tsaka ka sekhoa ka mehla. Ka ha re kopana re le batho ba tsoang libakeng (background) tse fapaneng sekhoa se kopanya maleme a rona. Ke lakatsa e ka forum ene e ka fetoha seba seo re ahanang ho sona re le chaba sa Basotho/ranthso…hore na re ea pele joang. Chee! Khetho ke ea motho ka mong…

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#269 Aug 27, 2012
MOANANONG wrote:
If there is one thing that turns my stomach, is when people continue to hide behind the past in the 21st century –
I explained to you that the lagacy of Van Riebeeck must stay in the past and look at what a black man is doing to sustain the economy but you kept on glorifying Van Riebeeck.
MOANANONG wrote:
is that perhaps why you feel that blacks deserve second-rate tasks and be commented for it? Why I should I be proud to be picking up human-waste for a job?
They do not deserve second rate tasks. What I mean is that they are willing to do them as they are there to be done. Waste is toxic and can cause serious diseases. My brothers are prepared to rehabilitate waste so that the population can stay healthy. I see young and old black men standing along the streets asking for work from passing cars every day. I also see them selling stuff at almost every traffic light in the suburbs. They do not sit back but create jobs for themselves.
MOANANONG wrote:
I dreamed of a better future and labored for it. I know I deserve better in this life AND smarter than most white folks - have proven that on many occasions in forums with them.I am probably now becoming emotional and here is why – we blacks deserve a lot better AND also deserve to be respected by other races.
You are not the only one or a few who have Labored for a better future. We have a lot who have been in worse situations than yours and they have come out tops. At least we agree that we are smarter.

How can we be respected by other races when we see ourselves as lazy and useless instead of celebrating our heroes and in the meantime re tataise ba fokolang?
MOANANONG wrote:
The IMF and World Bank…did you really believe that these two organs were formed to help Africa? My friend…lemme put it to you in a mild fashion – that’s the 21st century colonialism. My brother! Please snap out of denial…help your fellow blacks to come out of slave mentality
Please pay attention ang again never be emotional. Exactly my point. I asked if “We really think that poor countries can become rich without REFORMING the policies of the IMF, World Bank? I am well aware that these organs were created to further oppress other economies. We need to reform them. Africa is poor because of greed by the politicians. A United States of Africa was PROPOSED but the wealthy countries voted against it because they felt their economy will suffer as a result of “subsidizing” the weaker countries. In conclusion, an average black man is willing to work but is betrayed mostly by his leaders who are greedy and corrupt.

Lastly, I am not in denail. I refuse to say a black man is lazy hence we find ourself in the current situation. There are many contributing factors than isolating lazyness as the main catalyst.

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#270 Aug 27, 2012
Brother Sash…I only get emotional when my race is demeaned. As for Van Riebeeck, you seem to forget that the only reason I brought him into to the picture was when you wanted to attribute South Africa’s current economic success to black South Africans – their hard work THEN I corrected you that a lot people from neighbouring countries laboured in those mines and factories. As a matter of fact mine and factory owners preferred blacks from outside South Africa…controversial. I also remember saying that when blacks took over all they had to do was to manage and sustain the economy where Van Riebeeck and his offspring left it – not exactly good at it to date. I don’t have to explain to you how service delivery has plunged since we (blacks) took over…let’s not even dare go into it coz its all there in the media everyday. There are a few cases though that can be used as milestones during the rein of the current black government…the pace of success is however sluggish. I will repeat myself…Van Riebeeck is definitely the pacesetter to the current economic wealth of South Africa – is that not a fact???

Interestingly, you allude to black South Africans creating jobs for themselves AND my question to you is, statistically…what % are you perhaps having in mind not to forget that unemployment is estimated at around 24.9%? I do agree that street venders are making a great effort not to be a burden to the government – that’s however not how I want other races to value me as a black person…good for sh…ty jobs. All races have the have-nots…this is has nothing to do with race - you go to America you will find street vendors of all races (black, white, green, etc) everywhere. My case is about blacks with all the opportunities imaginable and yet reels in poverty and shame…coz generally they are lazy – always eager to reap where they did not sow AND not feeling dishonourable what-so-ever.

Ofcourse you are not in denial….Yeh! I know exactly what you mean AND I agree

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#271 Aug 27, 2012
MOANANONG wrote:
Brother Sash…I only get emotional when my race is demeaned. As for Van Riebeeck, you seem to forget that the only reason I brought him into to the picture was when you wanted to attribute South Africa’s current economic success to black South Africans – their hard work THEN I corrected you that a lot people from neighbouring countries laboured in those mines and factories. As a matter of fact mine and factory owners preferred blacks from outside South Africa…controversial. I also remember saying that when blacks took over all they had to do was to manage and sustain the economy where Van Riebeeck and his offspring left it – not exactly good at it to date. I don’t have to explain to you how service delivery has plunged since we (blacks) took over…let’s not even dare go into it coz its all there in the media everyday. There are a few cases though that can be used as milestones during the rein of the current black government…the pace of success is however sluggish. I will repeat myself…Van Riebeeck is definitely the pacesetter to the current economic wealth of South Africa – is that not a fact???
Interestingly, you allude to black South Africans creating jobs for themselves AND my question to you is, statistically…what % are you perhaps having in mind not to forget that unemployment is estimated at around 24.9%? I do agree that street venders are making a great effort not to be a burden to the government – that’s however not how I want other races to value me as a black person…good for sh…ty jobs. All races have the have-nots…this is has nothing to do with race - you go to America you will find street vendors of all races (black, white, green, etc) everywhere. My case is about blacks with all the opportunities imaginable and yet reels in poverty and shame…coz generally they are lazy – always eager to reap where they did not sow AND not feeling dishonourable what-so-ever.
Ofcourse you are not in denial….Yeh! I know exactly what you mean AND I agree
Been a good discusion...you win
I said they come to SA because of the economy not laziness. You are the one who brought van Riebeeck to the picture.

What service delivery are you talking about. How many townships did not have tarred roads in the past. The current backlog of service delivery is inherited from the past. You cannot all of a sudden tell me that running tap water was removed after a black man took over. The urban migration is also contributing to the backlog in service delivery. In the past a black man was confined to certain areas and they could not move easily. Are you saying we must send people back to the homelands so that we can avoid having to provide basic services to them?

It is not only street vendors who are making an effort. I know a lot of people who graduated with me and after me who are making a lot of difference to the economy. I might not have the stats (%) at the moment but you must not forget that Public, Business Parnerships also play a key role in creating Jobs. Just create them and you will see long lines of people waiting to grab those jobs. We also have SMME'S growing in the construction, financial etc industries.

U nkutloisise m'rena. Ke re ke hanana le taba ea hore sechaba sa rantsho se botsoa re sa shebe mabaka a etsang hore ba lule e le bafutsana.

Kea lumela hore ho nale batho ba botsoa empa re ska akaretsa.

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#272 Aug 27, 2012
Sash_ wrote:
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I said they come to SA because of the economy not laziness. You are the one who brought van Riebeeck to the picture.
What service delivery are you talking about. How many townships did not have tarred roads in the past. The current backlog of service delivery is inherited from the past. You cannot all of a sudden tell me that running tap water was removed after a black man took over. The urban migration is also contributing to the backlog in service delivery. In the past a black man was confined to certain areas and they could not move easily. Are you saying we must send people back to the homelands so that we can avoid having to provide basic services to them?

No...aint saying a damn thing - sure I get you, its apartheid - 18 years of democracy AND it is still a manace to black South Africans. I guess 20 years from now, it will still be haunting you...crying foul.

Just create them and you will see long lines of people waiting to grab those jobs.

More handouts heh...damn! that's exactly what some of us hate.Blacks have been graduating in South Africa long before you were born my friend AND the difference you referring to...I dont see non of it. When you (blacks)took over reins...you had the simpliest of tasks as far the economy is concerned - manage and sustain it...everything else was in place and all thanks to the apartheid era - in other African countries blacks had to start from the foundation all the way up. Remember what I said earlier...if this was a marathon race, black South Africans had a 400 miles headstart - the 400 miles already almost perfectly covered by Van Reibeeck and his offspring. Damn! you people are so ungrateful. Mosotho oare ha ho ntho e mpe e senang molemo...

Did you know that a lot of black South Africans today...the old ones, actually think apartheid was far better in service delivery than the ANC government (black) AND life easier for most people then than today...the ANC government currently is failing to get the growth and jobs needed...

U nkutloisise m'rena. Ke re ke hanana le taba ea hore sechaba sa rantsho se botsoa re sa shebe mabaka a etsang hore ba lule e le bafutsana.
Kea lumela hore ho nale batho ba botsoa empa re ska akaretsa.
Thank you...at long last. Mabaka o se o fane ka ona...it will always be apartheid.

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