Malema suspended for 5years

Pule wrote:

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I doubt if thats what malema is thinking. But Yes im following this issue with great interest mchana. But a pre-Mangaung policy conference will make recommendations but the decision will only be made on 12 December 2012.
The ‘nationalisation of mines’ draft proposal, might be delivered to the NEC this weekend if not delivered already. I haven’t seen it or read any reports about it, but I expect a shift in the tax regime, a tightening up of the Charter and a plan to strengthen the African Mining Exploration and Finance Company (AEMFC) which is the much hyped “state owned mining company”. Together these fall well short of the ANCYL nationalisation proposals, but still weaken the investment case for the industry as a whole.

Sach wrote:

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What do you think about this information about whether Juju is thinking or not?
Malema is neither powerful nor popular. He owes his position not to massive support but to the fact that he is useful to one of the factions who are contesting for power in the ANC – the ‘nationalist’ or ‘populist’ group. He is challenging the president because senior ANC members think it is useful to their faction that he does this.
This does not mean they plan to support a candidate for president next year. But they do think it useful to test the water – the Youth League’s interest in Kgalema Motlanthe as Zuma’s challenger helps them to do this. If Zuma is opposed at Mangaung next year it will not be because Malema decided this, but because those senior figures who find him useful decide it.
Malema is useful to the ‘nationalist’ faction, but he is not indispensable to it: if he were to disappear from the scene, its leaders would find someone else – probably from within the Youth League leadership – to play the same role. And so, whenever he faces disciplinary action, his fate depends on whether the senior leaders of the ‘nationalist’ faction are willing to continue defending him. If they ever decided not to, he would probably be suspended or expelled.
The above observations were made before his current suspension.

Potso wrote:

O kae Malema? Hare sa utlwa letho ka ena. Is he hybernating?

Potso wrote:

The ANC must renew itself. It must deliberately dismantle its outlook as a liberation movement and begin to embody the values and ethos that governs a modern governing party. This must talk not only to the policies and to the process undertaken to formulate them, it also fundamentally talks about the leadership of the party. The leadership of the party must be seen as representative of the aspirations of the present times but the leadership of the party must also resonate with the youth and give them hope that the aspirations of young people will be well understood and cared for.
Many liberation movements in Africa have often found themselves to be at odds with the same freedoms and principles of governance that they fought for. In reality, it takes only a few dark forces of evil to capture, derail and hijack the common good of the people and turn the movement into a monstrous entity that works against the will of the people. It takes the emergence of self-serving leaders who are greedy, corruptible and primarily see political power as a means to gaining proximity to the resources of the state for self-aggrandisation.
The state of the ANC, currently, does not inspire confidence to the effect that one can trust and vociferously argue that the ANC remains the correct vehicle to bring about the realisation of many people’s needs and championing of their human rights. There are instances whereby the practices of many ANC cadres in government stand diametrically opposed with the principles of Ubuntu, Batho Pele and other spirits of democracy as enshrined in our constitution of the country. In a time of economic regression, we continue to see mismanagement of funds, wasteful expenditure and the manipulation of tender processes in order to enrich a select few of politically connected people. Politics become a vehicle towards self-enrichment and not a means to be granted the rare privilege of serving the people and bringing about a sense of social and economic justice to all the citizens of the land.
Given all these realities, the ANC can only overcome its insurmountable challenges by going to their Policy Conference and Elective Congress with an open mind that will allow the party to seek the best within its ranks to lead the organisation. The leadership of the ANC cannot be elected in an inward looking manner that is only limited to the internal political dynamics. It must also elect a leadership that will find greater acceptance within the broader public, because as a ruling party the ANC has a mandate to render services to all – including those that are neither members nor voters of the party. In the recent past, there has been a sense of arrogance on the part of the ANC in the manner in which it engages on issues, especially those of policy formulation. There does not need to exist an antagonistic relationship between the citizens and the ANC or its members in government, but this is only possible if the party commits itself to a journey of renewal and makes a conscious covenant with South Africans of embarking on a path that is about preserving and growing the prosperity of the nation.
To the ANC, the views of the general public who are not members of the party might seem meaningless and of little weight. If this indeed were the belief of those who are members of the ANC, they would be committing a cardinal error of judgement because the livelihood of the ANC depends on the public. If the public grows intolerant and impatient with some of the acts of the ruling party, there will be a spontaneous combustion of these frustrations and a nationwide revolt against the ANC government will be fired up.

Potso wrote:

The ANC must renew itself. It must deliberately dismantle its outlook as a liberation movement and begin to embody the values and ethos that governs a modern governing party. This must talk not only to the policies and to the process undertaken to formulate them, it also fundamentally talks about the leadership of the party. The leadership of the party must be seen as representative of the aspirations of the present times but the leadership of the party must also resonate with the youth and give them hope that the aspirations of young people will be well understood and cared for.


Many liberation movements in Africa have often found themselves to be at odds with the same freedoms and principles of governance that they fought for. In reality, it takes only a few dark forces of evil to capture, derail and hijack the common good of the people and turn the movement into a monstrous entity that works against the will of the people. It takes the emergence of self-serving leaders who are greedy, corruptible and primarily see political power as a means to gaining proximity to the resources of the state for self-aggrandisation.


The state of the ANC, currently, does not inspire confidence to the effect that one can trust and vociferously argue that the ANC remains the correct vehicle to bring about the realisation of many peopleÂ’s needs and championing of their human rights. There are instances whereby the practices of many ANC cadres in government stand diametrically opposed with the principles of Ubuntu, Batho Pele and other spirits of democracy as enshrined in our constitution of the country. In a time of economic regression, we continue to see mismanagement of funds, wasteful expenditure and the manipulation of tender processes in order to enrich a select few of politically connected people. Politics become a vehicle towards self-enrichment and not a means to be granted the rare privilege of serving the people and bringing about a sense of social and economic justice to all the citizens of the land.

Given all these realities, the ANC can only overcome its insurmountable challenges by going to their Policy Conference and Elective Congress with an open mind that will allow the party to seek the best within its ranks to lead the organisation. The leadership of the ANC cannot be elected in an inward looking manner that is only limited to the internal political dynamics. It must also elect a leadership that will find greater acceptance within the broader public, because as a ruling party the ANC has a mandate to render services to all – including those that are neither members nor voters of the party. In the recent past, there has been a sense of arrogance on the part of the ANC in the manner in which it engages on issues, especially those of policy formulation. There does not need to exist an antagonistic relationship between the citizens and the ANC or its members in government, but this is only possible if the party commits itself to a journey of renewal and makes a conscious covenant with South Africans of embarking on a path that is about preserving and growing the prosperity of the nation.

To the ANC, the views of the general public who are not members of the party might seem meaningless and of little weight. If this indeed were the belief of those who are members of the ANC, they would be committing a cardinal error of judgement because the livelihood of the ANC depends on the public. If the public grows intolerant and impatient with some of the acts of the ruling party, there will be a spontaneous combustion of these frustrations and a nationwide revolt against the ANC government will be fired up.

sofi wrote:

what is the ruling outcome?

Sash_ wrote:

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Cyril Ramaphosa announced in a press conference that the NDCA found no basis to vary the findings of the National Disciplinary Committee (NDC) on Malema's charges and that mitigating evidence for sanctions is referred back to NDC for a hearing within 14 days.
Source - Times LIVE.

sofi wrote:

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Thanks Sash, So it looks like there is no way out for Malema. Hearing within 14 days? for what?

Sash_ wrote:

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Cyril Ramaphosa announced in a press conference that the NDCA found no basis to vary the findings of the National Disciplinary Committee (NDC) on Malema's charges and that mitigating evidence for sanctions is referred back to NDC for a hearing within 14 days.
Source - Times LIVE.

Pulumo wrote:

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The NDCA has founded that there were no flaws in the manner the case was instituted and handled however on mitigation appeal, it has suspended the sanctions imposed hence it referred the matter back to the NDC to allow the appellant a chance to give mitigation factors and also allow the complainant(national officials) to give aggravating factors and out of that, new sanctions would be imposed. Now, does that mean in relation to new sanctions imposed on the YL leadership, the YL leadership has got a right to appeal to the NDCA in relation to new sanctions imposed on them?

Pule h wrote:

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Pulumo you must remember malema accepted being guilty in May 2010 of bringing the party into disrepute. The deal struck then was that some charges would be dropped but that he would accept a guilty verdict for bringing the party into disrepute. This related to his remarks about the crisis in Zimbabwe and showing compromising bias about the interlocutors in Zimbabwe, embarrassing Zuma. In return he agreed that his membership would be summarily suspended if he was to be found guilty of the same offence within two years. The duration of such a membership suspension, in the event of him recommitting the offence, was to be determined by the NDC. That was the burden hanging over Malema’s head while the current DC process was playing out.
The NDCA’s confirmation, in the latest case, that Malema is guilty of bringing the party into disrepute, sowing division and he will remain guilty whatever new sentence he might get after mitigation arguments are considered this means that his membership is suspended immediately in order to give effect to the previous sentence. This, in turn, means that he is no longer the president of the ANC Youth League.
But here’s the obstacle: the ANC forgot to confirm whether or not it has informed Malema that his previous sentence now kicks in. This is a loose end that will cause confusion for a day or three. They need to inform him in order to give effect to the previous suspended order.
let me tell you now, the chances of reduced sentences are zero. The nature of the charges for which the league leaders were found guilty are very serious, and it will take very little rhetorical footwork for an NDC which did not even think the league leaders deserved a chance to argue mitigation, to confirm their previous sentences as fair and proportional to the charges. If anything, Malema risks getting a harsher sentence since the prosecutor could argue aggravation successfully.
In the best case scenario, the punishment will remain the same. In the worst case, the punishment will be harsher. It is therefore not obvious whether argument in mitigation is worth taking up. All that it will really achieve is keeping Malema politically on a life support system for a little while longer. It will not stave off the eventual outcome – political demise.
Finally, is there a chance that Malema might be able to petition the NEC in the event that his mitigation arguments do not improve his fate, or that of the other leaders? Again, the answer is not good if you are a Malema fan. The NEC does not have to hear a petition. In other words, they might not even grant the league leaders an ear. And, even if they did give them a chance to explain why they wish the NEC to intervene, this might not help. The NEC is not an appeal forum. They can only, in the best case scenario, ask the NDC to reconsider its verdict. But that is a mere request which the NDC can refuse.

Pulumo wrote:

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Thanks for putting things into perspective..

Pule wrote:

He must move as anc youth leader.

thami wrote:

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We are left with few days and your wishes will be realised. how do you feel about the developments pule.

thami wrote:

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We are left with few days and your wishes will be realised. how do you feel about the developments pule.