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Mar 16, 2008

Nazi units glorified in Latvian capital

About 3,000 people have marched through Latvia's capital Riga to commemorate the Latvian Waffen SS units that fought on the Nazi side during World War Two. Several hundred, mostly Russian speaking, anti-fascists gathered to protest against the rally.

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Mar 16, 2008
 
They fighted against Stalin!
What was wrong in it?

Latvians were not able to build national Latvian troops at that time. The only channel to fight against Stalin was to join Waffen SS.
For that reason the world will understand Latvians commemorating Latvian soldiers who fought against Stalin.

Hitler and his political SS troops are not to be admired!

Stalin is not to be admired!
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Mar 16, 2008
 
Matti wrote:
They fighted against Stalin!
What was wrong in it?
They fighted against Stalin ....killing jew ....and securing nazi camps.

Strange One-sided Logic.....

LMAO.
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Mar 16, 2008
 
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They fighted against Stalin ....killing jew ....and securing nazi camps.
Strange One-sided Logic.....
LMAO.
I think they mainly fighted against Stalin.
Where and how many Jews they did kill?
I know more about the Finnish Waffen SS and they did not kill jews.
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I think they mainly fighted against Stalin.
Where and how many Jews they did kill?
I know more about the Finnish Waffen SS and they did not kill jews.
LMAO , smarty ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_La...

LATVIAN official info.
http://www.am.gov.lv/en/latvia/History-of-Occ...

"The First Phase of Annihilation July&#8211;August 1941. The first mass murders of Latvian Jews started in July and continued until September. Groups of Jews were ordered shot in Riga, Daugavpils and in many smaller towns. Recent research shows that all these actions were organised by German authorities but usually carried out by Latvian auxiliaries without direct German involvement. In September, the remaining Jews in Riga were herded into a fenced-in ghetto in the city's Moscow Suburb and forcibly kept there under guard.

The Second Phase of Annihilation November&#8211;December 1941. From the Riga Ghetto, under the direct supervision of Friedrich Jeckeln, about 25,000 Jews were driven on foot to Rumbula, on the outskirts of Riga, and murdered there in two operations&#8212; on 30 November and 8 December 1941. Latvians performed guard duties; Jeckeln's SS men shot the victims. About 3000 Jews from Liep&#257;ja were murdered between 15 and 17 December. This was practically the end of the mass annihilation of approximately 70,000 Latvian Jews. In addition, some 25,000 Jews were brought from Germany, Austria and the present-day Czech Republic, of whom around 20,000 were killed"

"Recent research shows that all these actions were organised by German authorities but usually carried out by Latvian auxiliaries without direct German involvement"

Got it , Matti ?
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Mar 16, 2008
 
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LMAO , smarty ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_La...
LATVIAN official info.
http://www.am.gov.lv/en/latvia/History-of-Occ...
"The First Phase of Annihilation July&#8211;August 1941. The first mass murders of Latvian Jews started in July and continued until September. Groups of Jews were ordered shot in Riga, Daugavpils and in many smaller towns. Recent research shows that all these actions were organised by German authorities but usually carried out by Latvian auxiliaries without direct German involvement. In September, the remaining Jews in Riga were herded into a fenced-in ghetto in the city's Moscow Suburb and forcibly kept there under guard.
The Second Phase of Annihilation November&#8211;December 1941. From the Riga Ghetto, under the direct supervision of Friedrich Jeckeln, about 25,000 Jews were driven on foot to Rumbula, on the outskirts of Riga, and murdered there in two operations&#8212; on 30 November and 8 December 1941. Latvians performed guard duties; Jeckeln's SS men shot the victims. About 3000 Jews from Liep&#257;ja were murdered between 15 and 17 December. This was practically the end of the mass annihilation of approximately 70,000 Latvian Jews. In addition, some 25,000 Jews were brought from Germany, Austria and the present-day Czech Republic, of whom around 20,000 were killed"
"Recent research shows that all these actions were organised by German authorities but usually carried out by Latvian auxiliaries without direct German involvement"
Got it , Matti ?
I know the reason why some Finns, Estonians, Latvians etc joined SS. I can accept if they fighted against Stalin and bolshevism. I am not able to accept if they primarily killed Jews or made ethnical cleansing like Serbs in recent years.

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Mar 17, 2008
 
When Russia makes Soviet Red Army celebrations illegal, then it can worry about the Baltics celebrating their war veterans. Until that time, Russia has naught to say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crime...
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Mar 17, 2008
 
Matti wrote:
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I know the reason why some Finns, Estonians, Latvians etc joined SS. I can accept if they fighted against Stalin and bolshevism. I am not able to accept if they primarily killed Jews or made ethnical cleansing like Serbs in recent years.
I notice you don't object to ethnic cleansing done by Croats or Bosnians or Albanians.

I wonder why? Do you secretly prefer their Nazi past and give them an automatic pass?

Simplicity is a fool's paradise.
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Mar 17, 2008
 
Why_Me wrote:
When Russia makes Soviet Red Army celebrations illegal, then it can worry about the Baltics celebrating their war veterans. Until that time, Russia has naught to say.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crime...
For better or worse, the Soviet army was our ally in WWII. The Nazis were our enemy.

You're wearing your true colors on your sleeve, you little pinhead skinhead.
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Mar 17, 2008
 
F*k the Bolsheviks

F*k the Nazis

F*k American imperialism

F*k Russian imperialism

and F*k all you petty pinheaded forumites.
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For better or worse, the Soviet army was our ally in WWII. The Nazis were our enemy.
That makes no difference in court.

And by the way, coolncrazy is lying again, the march does not commemorate the Waffen SS units, it commemorates latvians fighting against soviet Red Army.

And by the way, Baltic Waffen SS units have been internationally declared non-criminal.
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Ugh wrote:
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I notice you don't object to ethnic cleansing done by Croats or Bosnians or Albanians.
I wonder why? Do you secretly prefer their Nazi past and give them an automatic pass?
Simplicity is a fool's paradise.
For sure I object all ethnic cleansing!
Where did you get your impression?

In this topix Russians are not usually admitting, that Stalin was an evil like Hitler too. Did you draw your consequence of this?
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Mar 17, 2008
 
Matti wrote:
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In this topix Russians are not usually admitting, that Stalin was an evil like Hitler too. Did you draw your consequence of this?
I know many Russians that condemn Stalin. I think you're confusing Robespierre with Russia.

Besides, there are such wholesale criticisms of Russia on this forum, what do you expect besides an in-your-face reaction?

Me personally? F*k Stalin and his ilk.
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Mar 17, 2008
 
tarmo wrote:
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That makes no difference in court.
What court?

International courts are bought and paid for, so have no legitimacy except for those who bought them and their suckups.
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Mar 17, 2008
 
Ugh Redux wrote:
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What court?
International courts are bought and paid for, so have no legitimacy except for those who bought them and their suckups.
Well, should I say that makes no difference in front of God?
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Mar 17, 2008
 
Ugh wrote:
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For better or worse, the Soviet army was our ally in WWII. The Nazis were our enemy.
You're wearing your true colors on your sleeve, you little pinhead skinhead.
We don't really trust them either, that's why the cold war got started.

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Ugh Redux wrote:
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What court?
International courts are bought and paid for, so have no legitimacy except for those who bought them and their suckups.
Exactly!!

These kind of courts, organised in the heat of the moment, are nothing more than glorified 'kangooroo courts' leaving the winners to feel good and exonerating their own atrocities.

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Mar 17, 2008
 
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Well, should I say that makes no difference in front of God?
Gawd???

Who is talking about Gawd???

Are you going to tell us that apart from being a nostalgic eSStonian NAZI apologist, you also believe in Gawd???

In your beliefs, your Gawd would send you burn in Hell !!! whatever that is, Ha, ha, ha....

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Mar 17, 2008
 
Matti wrote:
I am not able to accept if they primarily killed Jews or made ethnical cleansing like Serbs in recent years.
LMAO.
Does it make any difference for you ?
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Mar 17, 2008
 
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We don't really trust them either, that's why the cold war got started.
Well, now they're gone and their successors did but no longer do trust you, and probably for good reason.
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tarmo wrote:
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Well, should I say that makes no difference in front of God?
Your god is an artifact of convenience.
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