European court: No crucifixes in Italian schools

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Marsand wrote:

Those who do not want Christ around anywhere will eventually get their wish in eternity.

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Pat wrote:

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Your fairytale won't save you from death.

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Marsand wrote:

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Nor you. A tough atheist.
We will find out though won't we.

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Pat wrote:

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No, you won't be finding out because awareness requires both functioning senses and brain, neither of which you will possess after death. Magic isn't real, the soul is a foolish myth.

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Pat wrote:

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No, you won't be finding out because awareness requires both functioning senses and brain, neither of which you will possess after death. Magic isn't real, the soul is a foolish myth.

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Pax et Bonum wrote:

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So you start again. Have you with all your superior reason still not been able to put together that no matter what you post those who have faith will not find you any more enlightening than a burned out light bulb.

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Marsand wrote:

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You may just end up as fertilizer if that's what you believe.Is that why you were born, just fertilizer? How sad.
I can't say any more to a pile of dirt.

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superdelegate wrote:

all this is being done to accommodate muslims,man.

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Pat wrote:

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Is that because reason won't affect beliefs aquired using a lack of it in the first place? LOL Enjoy your fairytale.

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Pax et Bonum wrote:

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Reason in it's proper use doesn't end faith but enriches it. That you don't have the reason to figure this out is sad and yet with all your supposed reason when you are stood up to by a person of faith all you do is ridicule and insult. Is that the most reasonable way to present your views? All it does is make what you believe to be true seem that much more unreasonable.

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Pat wrote:

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Reason is not what drives faith, fear and frustration with the realities of death is what drives faith. The only things people believe in blindly through faith are things that put the believer at a perceived personal advantage like death avoidance. Faith and reason are opposites. Why do you think a belief in leprechauns or alien abductions isn't as widespread as a belief in god? It's simple, nothing personal is at stake so normal reasoning is used to reject those unsupported beliefs.
The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason: The Morning Daylight appears plainer when you put out your Candle.
-- Benjamin Franklin, the incompatibility of faith and reason, Poor Richard's Almanac (1758)

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Pax et Bonum wrote:

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Ben Franklin and so do you have your opinions about faith and reason. As such they are your opinions and in the overall scheme of things mean little.

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Ramafuchs wrote:

Faith... must be enforced by reason.... When faith becomes blind it dies.~Mahatma Gandhi