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what is actually written in The Torah. is going to happen, again, again, again, and agains. untill we all quit clowing around, with the not here in TheTorah devils, forever and always physically here in TheTorah agains'es. and what you see, in TheWritten Torah, is what you actually always get for your all refusing to be here in IT all from G-D.
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Aug 19, 2012
 
you have all aided and abeted, the same old devil again to not prepare my bride with TheTorah, actually here in TheTorah again.

it is this worlds error, pretending to not be here in TheTorah with the subtle beasts. it is your job to correct that attitude, or go beyond this hell we are all getting today for this, and into oblivion.

even the horror of our world history, shall not change. till we change our mental attitude, all no against G-D here in TheTorah Happening. not even the sinking of the titanic, or Lusitania, shall ever be changed, untill we do for G-D. and we are not here in TheTorah, responsible for all those deaths too.
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Aug 19, 2012
 
Rabbee,

I am still failing to see any proof that you are not just babbling. I have to ask a silly question. Why do you repeat here in TheTorah over and over. What are you meaning to say there that I am missing. I'm giving this some open-mindedness and will let you lead me down a rabbit hole until I see holes. If I see holes I will poke at the holes. What I took from all the prior babble is that we commit the same mistakes over and over. Yes, we are human and were purposefully made imperfect. The world will stop for an hour? My thoughts are that the world will cease to rotate for a short time as a large mass, a planet or some heavenly object comes by the earth. This should cause great catastrophies on earth. Volcanic erruptions, techtonic activity, floods like in the Bible, mass death. These items don't seem so mysterious. You have a very large system of sytems of planets, galaxies, universes and dimensions that at some point they must cross. As a living man/woman/it, what do you feel can be done to unchanged huumanity? In my mind, these are cycles that we go through. No amount of praying, meditating or whinning is gonna change the cycle. You talk about the angels, I compare those coming from the skies to gods, aliens or some kind of unearthly being. Assuming they are intelligent, more than us, they are aliens by all definition. Putting things into the modern language to simplify things might help your argument. You see, when you talk about TheHeShe held you, TheTorah, very hard to make the connections or figure out what you are talking about. The genius does not seem to be showing easily. Again, explain to me why you cannot answer the questions that I've asked? I don't get it. Someone who has been having meetings with God and the angels over the past 20 yrs should easily answer simple questions. Is it that simple is not simple but complex? How old are you Rabbee? What's your favorite color? Where do you live? How long have you believed what you believe? At what age did this happen to you? What is your background? Really trying to stretch my mind here. You mentioned blind faith and concrete evidence. So far I've seen nothing but blind faith. No evidence. Lots of rambling. Talk to me Rabbee. It's not that I cannot see it, it's not that I don't want to see it, it's that you are failing to show it.
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(Jer. 23) 16This is what the Lord Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord. 21I did not send these prophets, yet they have run with their message; I did not speak to them, yet they have prophesied. 22But if they had stood in my counsel, they would have proclaimed my words to my people and would have turned them from their evil ways and from their evil deeds!"
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Beware of false prophets! Rabbee
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I am still failing to see any proof that you are not just babbling. I have to ask a silly question. Why do you repeat here in TheTorah over and over. What are you meaning to say there that I am missing. I'm giving this some open-mindedness and will let you lead me down a rabbit hole until I see holes. If I see holes I will poke at the holes. What I took from all the prior babble is that we commit the same mistakes over and over. Yes, we are human and were purposefully made imperfect. The world will stop for an hour? My thoughts are that the world will cease to rotate for a short time as a large mass, a planet or some heavenly object comes by the earth. This should cause great catastrophies on earth. Volcanic erruptions, techtonic activity, floods like in the Bible, mass death. These items don't seem so mysterious. You have a very large system of sytems of planets, galaxies, universes and dimensions that at some point they must cross. As a living man/woman/it, what do you feel can be done to unchanged huumanity? In my mind, these are cycles that we go through. No amount of praying, meditating or whinning is gonna change the cycle. You talk about the angels, I compare those coming from the skies to gods, aliens or some kind of unearthly being. Assuming they are intelligent, more than us, they are aliens by all definition. Putting things into the modern language to simplify things might help your argument. You see, when you talk about TheHeShe held you, TheTorah, very hard to make the connections or figure out what you are talking about. The genius does not seem to be showing easily. Again, explain to me why you cannot answer the questions that I've asked? I don't get it. Someone who has been having meetings with God and the angels over the past 20 yrs should easily answer simple questions. Is it that simple is not simple but complex? How old are you Rabbee? What's your favorite color? Where do you live? How long have you believed what you believe? At what age did this happen to you? What is your background? Really trying to stretch my mind here. You mentioned blind faith and concrete evidence. So far I've seen nothing but blind faith. No evidence. Lots of rambling. Talk to me Rabbee. It's not that I cannot see it, it's not that I don't want to see it, it's that you are failing to show it.
rabbee: well then what is the point, of reading or hearing any scripture. if it has, no meaning to you? and i am not the only one, being repeated, here in always TheTorah. Noach and the rest, shall all be in it, in the next time here in TheTorah. and this is not all of you, and your gandmother's first time here in TheTorah. for i am in TheHisWay, of the resurrection of he dead.

and i am not leading you, down a rabbit hole. i am trying to get you, already in one to come out. i am not coming down, that far get you. and no you are not, considered as human with G-D yet. if you are following the subtle beasts of the fields you're not human. humans follow G-D, here in TheTorah not the beasts.

and no! you were not, made to be imperfect. you have all made yourselves this, by following the beasts. G-D did not make anyon to be imperfect, not even the animals.

and nothing happens, by accident. an in case you were not listening, i told you that not only this world stopped for about half an hour. but all of totality was halted, the same amount of time. and i do not think of G-D, as an asteroid.

i saw G-D, and live here in TheTorah. how in the hell am i going to explain it, to anyone in this world that don't really want to listen.

and you need to stop asking, too many questions at once. so i can be more specific about each one. there ain't enough room, to answer dozens at once. and it only adds to your, wanting to be confused.
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tegods wrote:
Beware of false prophets! Rabbee
rabbee: scripture already even told you, i was truly coming again. whose falt is it, that all you and your grandmother of all never really believed it?

you are all right now, proving that you never did really believe TheG-D WHO is giving This All again. so that you all, may of had another chance to be redeemed, and chose not to be redeemed. and that even the jews, are against being redeemed.

and that all groups on earth, following their own beasts of the fields. has only resulted, in all the pestilence, plague and famine as their rewards for rejecting G-D, here in TheTorah. the beasts of differing groups, will attack each other. this is the reason for, all plague wars and plague rumors of them.

i am the only one actually here in TheTorah, here on this planet preaching this message. in this whole world following after the beast who all reject it. the fale prophet is not me, but the leaders of your own packs.
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tegods wrote:
(Jer. 23) 16This is what the Lord Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord. 21I did not send these prophets, yet they have run with their message; I did not speak to them, yet they have prophesied. 22But if they had stood in my counsel, they would have proclaimed my words to my people and would have turned them from their evil ways and from their evil deeds!"
rabbee: well it is verifiable, in scripture. that G-D always comes to speak, to TheHisSon adam about the woman. and i am only telling you, it has just finised happening again here in TheTorah Happening. and that i was not the messinger, of their very own bad news again. yes it would be nice, if i had even one nice thing to say about this world, here in TheTorah. but i cannot tell you, a lie to make you all feel good, all following the beasts.
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you are definitely failing
you are on the wrong thread
There is no wrong thread when Obama continues to threaten Israel.
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I'm not telling you that things mean nothoing to me, but you have to have something concrete. How can you expect to say what you say without something to back it? One question at a time. What does God look like?

No rabbit holes, I got no time for rabbits.
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Happening again and again? Another chance to be redeemed?

I dont know of any teaching in the Torah that tells of this happening?

What scripture teaches this?

When I look into the scriptures, I see this message...

..."Man's days are determined; you have decreed the number of his months and have set limits he cannot exceed."...Job 14:5

..."When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing."...Psalm 146:4

I can find nothing about reincarnation in the scriptures.
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<quoted text> There is no wrong thread when Obama continues to threaten Israel.
Oh, that tired cliche again. I was wondering what your agenda was. Thanks.

Romney blew it with us Jews when he selected Ryan. End of story.

And even if he hadnt done that, he was in hot water with his comment disparaging kibbutzim as the icon example of what America should not stand for. That was a shockingly insensitive and irrelevant comment for someone who just returned from Israel, and demonstrated his willingness to throw us Jews under the bus when politically expedient.

Personally, he lost my vote why he strapped Seamus on the roof - but thats just me.

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<quoted text> There is no wrong thread when Obama continues to threaten Israel.
The Christian Family Values Party Strikes Again!
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http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.as...

'Republican lawmaker skinny-dipped on Israel trip'

WASHINGTON - A group of Republican lawmakers and staff jumped into Israel's Lake Kinneret (Sea of Galilee) last year after a night of dining and drinking, and one freshman congressman swam naked, Republican aides confirmed late on Sunday.

The incident, first reported by Politico on Sunday, was investigated by the FBI and led Republican leaders in the House of Representatives to reprimand the 30 lawmakers on the privately funded trip.

Representative Kevin Yoder stripped naked before jumping into the Sea of Galilee after dining and drinking at a waterside restaurant in the town of Tiberias, Politico reported, citing more than a dozen sources, including eyewitnesses. Other participants, including the daughter of another congressman, swam fully clothed, while some lawmakers partially disrobed, Politico reported.

Two senior Republican aides who spoke on condition of anonymity confirmed the report's accuracy. Yoder's office was not immediately available for comment.

Politico quoted Yoder as saying in a statement about the incident that he and his wife, Brooke, joined some colleagues for dinner.

"After dinner I followed some members of Congress in a spontaneous and very brief dive into the sea and, regrettably, I jumped into the water without a swimsuit," Yoder said in the statement.

"It is my greatest honor to represent the people of Kansas in Congress and (for) any embarrassment I have caused for my colleagues and constituents, I apologize," the statement read.

The August 2011 trip was sponsored and paid for by the American Israel Educational Foundation, which is affiliated with AIPAC, an influential pro-Israel advocacy group.

Representatives Steve Southerland, Tom Reed, Ben Quayle, Jeff Denham and Michael Grimm were among the more than 20 lawmakers and staff that jumped into the Sea of Galilee, Politico said.

Senior aides to House Majority Leader Eric Cantor and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy also went swimming in the freshwater lake, which is where Christians believe that Jesus walked on water.

Politico quoted sources as saying that neither Cantor nor McCarthy participated in the late-night dip and Cantor later rebuked his Republican colleagues over the incident.
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Representative Kevin Yoder, R-Kansas, reportedly shouted...
"Honey, hic, I don't think we are in Kansas anymore, hic"
...as he did the backstroke while inebriated throughout the Christian holy site. When asked the next morning to explain his antics, Yoder claimed "it was all a misunderstanding" and declared "it was really part of my re-baptism ceremony".

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You did not answer why Proverbs 31:2 also has the aramaic word "bar" used to mean "son" as well as the Psalm?
..."What, my son? and what, the son of my womb? and what, the son of my vows?"...Proverbs 31:2
You have already stated that the word bar means "purity" in Hebrew, and that we should reject the aramaic translation.
So, lets use that word bar in Proverbs 21:2 (with your translation) and see how it reads. And then we will add some supporting text with verses 3 and 4. Watch how silly the translation becomes when we use your meaning...
"What, purity, and what, purity of my womb, and what, the purity of my vows?
Give not thy strength unto women, Nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings.
It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:"
So, simply inserting the Hebrew meaning for the aramaic word, just dont work in that scriptures, does it?
(BTW...Does one have to remind "purity" to avoid giving itself to drink and women? Why is purity then, called the male name "Lemuel" in verse 4?)
So, the only thing we can conclude from this text, is that the word bar in the scriptures here, mean son, and not purity.
Neither should we accept your take on Palm 2. That is because the scope of the Psalm is set here by verse 2.
..."The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the LORD and against his Anointed One."...Psalm 2:2
It is a Messianic Prophecy. It is about the relationship between God and his Messiah. Anyone doubt this still?
I can recommend a good website:
Does Psalm 2:12 really say "kiss the son"?
www.brithadasha.org/brit/index.php... .
BTW, does anybody here deny that Psalm 2 is a Messianic Psalm? It does specifically mention the Messiah after all.
So the fact that the NKJV has gotten around to reading the original and correcting their book is of no importance to you. You're using training wheels instead of learning the language.

You can continue posting apologetics sites - it is of no value in light of the original texts. We know from past and recent history that the church and their missionaries will stoop to any low to get their point across.

"God against the Indians" Norman Lewis
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tegods wrote:
I'm not telling you that things mean nothoing to me, but you have to have something concrete. How can you expect to say what you say without something to back it? One question at a time. What does God look like?
No rabbit holes, I got no time for rabbits.
rabbee: well it was never my falt, you were never around when G-D came to visit with me. nor is it my falt, you were never around to see me glow because of this. was it my falt, you were never around to see, the resurrection of the dead little girl, or the woman with the flesh eating virus returned to life? it is not my falt you do not match up with TheTorah, any of what i am saying. it is not my falt, that you do not seek out a knowledgable rabbee in response to this. i can only tell you about these things, that have previously transpired. your the one who don't want, to really believe it. yet i do not mind, you having doubts. but whose job is it, to prove any of this to you. since i am only in, the capacity of an advisor and counseler for now. for i am not about to over do, and try to do, G-D'S JOB, or your job. it says in TheTorah my time is coming, when G-D takes the day of rest. and i and the appointed woman, are both placed in complete and total charge.

now as to what does G-D Look like, like a well lit Double Vision Male/Female Ghost. TheGlowing HE/SHE Double IMAGE, See Through PERSONS. Just Like TheHe/She Image, that is stated given to Adam in One Body. TheSee Through Glowing Ghosts, but you can't see their naked bodies, underneath their see through glowing Rainmen. and am not sure you can comprehend, what i am trying to convey. since i mean you just about have to see, This to understant this. and if G-D wanted to reveal this to any of you, if you were without origional sin. That is G-D'S, Decision to make not mine. i do not tell G-D what to do, THEY tell me what to do, and it happens.
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Love wrote:
Happening again and again? Another chance to be redeemed?
I dont know of any teaching in the Torah that tells of this happening?
What scripture teaches this?
When I look into the scriptures, I see this message...
..."Man's days are determined; you have decreed the number of his months and have set limits he cannot exceed."...Job 14:5
..."When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing."...Psalm 146:4
I can find nothing about reincarnation in the scriptures.
rabbee: well you have not truly read TheTorah. because it tells you me and this worlds grandmoter, are to be returned to the tree. and most have heard, of this resurrection of the dead. of which adam and his mate are greatly involved in beguinning with Shet. and Parashas Noach is always day one, in TheTorah. and that G-D, is begun to give, TheWhole Torah accounting again. and it even gives you two previous seperate, accountings of me and this worlds grandmother. before HE began this one again. with TheSpirit of G-D, hovering over the face of the waters of the deep, with Noach, His Family and the 144,000 animals.

since you have been told by others, what to think, not how to think. this, is called indoctrination. and almost all religious documents today, have been re-written to suit the religion and not meant to suit G-D. This is why, the only true document i have to go by. as my only true reference to you, is an authentic Torah Scroll that you could use to verify.

G-D has kept HIS Promise, to returne both me and the woman to the tree. TheTree where We were Both, put to death on One Cross. and have been returned as adam and your grandmother seperated again. so that you all my be, all reborn again in the next Torot time. or should she be replaced, this time here in TheTorah that any of you, shall ever exist again. since you are not willing, to make this right with G-D, here in the exact same story again.

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You did not answer why Proverbs 31:2 also has the aramaic word "bar" used to mean "son" as well as the Psalm?
..."What, my son? and what, the son of my womb? and what, the son of my vows?"...Proverbs 31:2
You have already stated that the word bar means "purity" in Hebrew, and that we should reject the aramaic translation.
So, lets use that word bar in Proverbs 21:2 (with your translation) and see how it reads. And then we will add some supporting text with verses 3 and 4. Watch how silly the translation becomes when we use your meaning...
"What, purity, and what, purity of my womb, and what, the purity of my vows?
Give not thy strength unto women, Nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings.
It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:"
So, simply inserting the Hebrew meaning for the aramaic word, just dont work in that scriptures, does it?
(BTW...Does one have to remind "purity" to avoid giving itself to drink and women? Why is purity then, called the male name "Lemuel" in verse 4?)
So, the only thing we can conclude from this text, is that the word bar in the scriptures here, mean son, and not purity.
Neither should we accept your take on Palm 2. That is because the scope of the Psalm is set here by verse 2.
..."The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the LORD and against his Anointed One."...Psalm 2:2
It is a Messianic Prophecy. It is about the relationship between God and his Messiah. Anyone doubt this still?
I can recommend a good website:
Does Psalm 2:12 really say "kiss the son"?
www.brithadasha.org/brit/index.php... .

BTW, does anybody here deny that Psalm 2 is a Messianic Psalm? It does specifically mention the Messiah after all.
Yes, I deny that as an outsider.

Psalm 2 has nothing to do with a Messiah. It is simply an admonition or warning to the rulers, judges and kings to have fear of the LORD.

If one adds Kiss the Son, then the passage would show the Son as very petty, angry in a jiffy and full of wrath, ready to destroy. Neither Jesus nor any other Prophet fits the bill.

The verses in various versions of the OT have been forged to show a Son. The word BAR is Aramaic, not Hebrew.

If one reads the footnotes, one will come across comments "Hebrew uncertain", "Difficult Hebrew text of verses", etc.

OT versions came from the Greek and Latin Texts and yet they talk about Hebrew and find the Hebrew words difficult.

I found only two honest translations from Christian sources:

GNT: 10 Now listen to this warning, you kings; learn this lesson, you rulers of the world:
11 Serve the Lord with fear; tremble12 and bow down to him; or else his anger will be quickly aroused, and you will suddenly die. Happy are all who go to him for protection.

No kissing of son in here.

NKJV: Footnotes:

Psalm 2:12 Septuagint and Vulgate read Embrace discipline; Targum reads Receive instruction.
Psalm 2:12 Septuagint reads the Lord.

NASB FOOTNOTE: Psalm 2:12 Lit Kiss; some ancient versions read Do homage purely, or, Lay hold of instruction

What it means is that the ancient versions never had "Kiss the Son" and modern versions have forged according to the agenda of the Church.

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Love wrote:
Happening again and again? Another chance to be redeemed?
I dont know of any teaching in the Torah that tells of this happening?
What scripture teaches this?
When I look into the scriptures, I see this message...
..."Man's days are determined; you have decreed the number of his months and have set limits he cannot exceed."...Job 14:5
..."When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing."...Psalm 146:4
I can find nothing about reincarnation in the scriptures.
Neither did I. I could not even find incarnation in the Holy Scriptures.

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