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rabbee: yallz donts zeven nozze, howze tu spill caintuuuky.
Since: Aug 11
Already answered starting with post 39543
Do try and pay attention.
And, since you have finally admitted that your beliefs are NOT based on reason and logic, I thought we were moving on. Try not to slide backwards on your words. I'd hate to see you regress after such a positive step forward.
The Torah is part of the Christan Holy Book.(What we call the Old Testament, you call the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings)
Christian sermons are taught from it tens of thousands of times every week. Probably the Christians use the Torah far more than the Jews do. People come to understand God through Christian teaching from the Torah.
The Christians have taken the Torah worldwide. Why, you can even take a trip in a rocket ship into outer space, and out there bouncing around in the void, are radio waves going plumb back to the 1920s, with Southern Baptist preachers pounding out the fire and brimstone message of Christianity...straight out of the Torah.
..."For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains"...Deuteronomy 32:22
And most Protestant Christians are fundamentalist, which means that we believe that every single word of the Torah is the absolute and perfect, completely Holy Word of God.
You mention DNA as being what it takes to be a Jew? What about King David? Was not his great grandmother a Gentile (Ruth)?
So, by this, does that mean that King David wasnt entirely a Jew? A partial Jew?
Or, how can you assume to know who my ancestors were 3000 years ago? Can you say with assurance that any Christian dont have at least some Jewish ancestors?
The truth is that Christianity is Judaism, in a way. It is the fulfillment of Old Testament Judaism. BTW, Judaism was always supposed to be open to Gentiles. That is why Solomons Temple had a "Court of the Gentiles" (Outer Court) so that they could worship too.
One branch of Judaism accepted the Messiah and then accepted more Gentiles into the faith. The other branch didnt accept either.
We do find common ground with the pagan things of the Catholic Church,though. As a Protestant (Baptist) youll find no much of that stuff allowed in my home. BTW, today is Yom Shabbat (Sabbath), so I will try to recognize that today. I have work in the garden to do, but I will put that off for another day and hope that God blesses me for doing it.
BTW, I have a question for you. What is the meaning of Genesis 18:1? The word used in the Hebrew scripture is Adonai, never and angel or a human. We all know that always means the God of Israel.
So, what does it mean?
The word "adonai" is not in the original Hebrew in Genesis 18:1.
Some Jews today use a translation which uses the word "HaShem" in Genesis 18:1. HaShem is simply a term that means "The Name", which is also a reference to YHWH.
I know of no surviving, original Paleo-Hebrew text of Genesis (bere-syt) that predate the Babylonian captivity. The Dead Sea scrolls do contain some fragments of Genesis, but as far as I know, not 18:1.
But we do know that Christianity was founded by...Jews.
It was simply a branch of Judaism. Some of the earliest fathers of Christianity were very highly educated members of the Jewish religious sects, such as Paul.
These fellows knew the Jewish scriptures front and back, inside and out.
Besides, a missing of the point in all of this is the question: What makes a person a Jew? Is it DNA, or faith?
Herod, Ahab, and Saul were Jewish by DNA. But David and Abraham were men who believed God. Was DNA alone what was acceptable to God? Did Herod, Ahab, and Saul go to Heaven just by DNA?
Ruth (a gentile) was accepted, while Ahab (a Jew) was rejected. What does this all mean?
Paul reminded us that Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him as righteousness. He taught...
..."What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."...Romans 4:3
And Paul was simply teaching from Bere-syt (Genesis) in teaching that...
..."Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness."...Genesis 15:6
So, who is a Jew?
The answer is anybody that has the faith of Abraham. If someone believes God, then they are a Jew. That is what I get from the Jewish and Christian scriptural teachings.
What say you?
How does one "try" Christianity?
Im not trying to be disrespectful here, honest Im not.
But I have heard some people say similar things, such as "Ive done the Christianity thing and didnt like it", and so on.
What do these folks mean, they have done the "Christianity thing"?
Does that mean they went to Church a few times, watched the "Veggie tales" a few times, and maybe went to a Christmas dinner? Maybe even got baptized?
These are just empty rituals if the true faith isnt there.
If the true, deep down belief is not there, then they were never really Christians to start with.
This is puzzling to me, a Christian. That is because true Christianity is a belief, and nothing more.
The faith of Abraham wasnt based on empty rituals. It was simply believing God.
The rituals came later on in Abrahams life, but only as a witness to the real faith he had in his heart toward God.
How does someone "try" that and decide they didnt like it?
As it is said, Rome didn't convert to Christianity, Christianity converted to Rome.
There is scholarly research about Paul that doesn't believe Paul was a Jew, but possibly a late convert in order to marry the daughter of a priest. Being rejected, he turned his back on Judaism and developed a new religion palatable to the Greeks and Romans who liked virgin/mangod dying scenarios. There are several examples of him using the Hebrew scriptures out of context to present a bodily form of God.
A Jew, then and now, is one who follows the Torah without exception and reservations, according to the teachings of their leaders. Christianity has its own set of 'rabbis' who have developed a different teaching from the original Judaism of the followers of Jesus. Since none of his followers actually wrote any of the works attributed to them, they would be quite surprised at the Trinity idea voted upon in 325CE.
About Abraham, doesn't your quote usually state that Abraham had faith and...? Actually God spoke to Abraham, therefore faith has little to do with it. Faith is acceptance without knowledge. The less knowledge one has, the more faith is needed to sustain the myths of the NT.
forgot to add the Abraham's righteousness was based on his own personal choices and actions in obeying God's commandments. Those that choose to disobey and make wrong choices, without repentance and returning to the proper path, to them faith is worthless. Christianity is based on faith alone, without knowledge and without actions, aka once-saved always-saved, etc. Paul did this.
rabbee: nah! don't believe that. Avraham's actions of righteousnes, is based on TheWay, G-D is telling HisStory to happen here in TheTorah. as a result of, HisAttitude torard G-D.
every physical move i make, every physical breath i take is commanded by G-D. the way i think about it, is not directly commanded by G-D. free will to think about it, is not a physical happening.
if you mentally worship and idol. the you are commanded to do, the actions expected for that particular idol.
so if you are mentally worshiping or even saying the fake name jesus. then you are worshiping, the deciever of your grandmother again here in TheTorah. for if you think my name is jesus, then you are a liar for the more subtle beast of the fields too.
rabbee: cannot agree with your attempt to seduce others with a lie. sinc i know for a fact, all the Iron, Copper, Gold and Silver and Coal and the Crude Oil in all of totality. adds up to more than millions, billions, or trillions of tons. there is most likely more gold alone, than you could fit in a ball the size of our entire solar system.
We both agree that pagan things have crept into the RC Church. That is why there was a protestant reformation, after all.
But, the purer form of Christianity never really went away. It was always there, such as with Iona and the Old Celtic Church, the Lollards, etc.
Seems that The paganisms that crept into the Roman Catholic Church are usually what Jews like to look at today, and ignore the rest of Christianity. That is a mistake, and has been since the reformation.
As to Paul, he identifies himself as a Jew, from the tribe of Benjamin.
As to God coming in a bodily manifestation in the OT, we need look no further than the Hebrew scriptures themselves to see this demonstrated. Lets look to some scriptures from the Old Testament, that have clear teachings of God in bodily manifestations...
..."And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden."...Genesis 3:8
God was physically walking around on Earth there. Is that to say that God had vacated His throne in Heaven? If not, then it is a trinitarian doctrine. There is no other logical way to resolve this matter.
We have also mentioned Genesis 18:1. How about this one...
..."And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so."...Joshua 5:13-15
Jesus was always very exact and specific in every thing that He said, and every word was carefully chosen.(This is true of all of Gods words).
Notice the use of the phrase "am I now come"? This would be to differentiate between Jesus in this manifestation as the commander of Gods army, and Jesus the Messiah manifestation which would be "cut off", as in the Daniel prophesy.
Also note how Joshua was told to remove his sandals, for he was standing on Holy ground. Moses was told the same thing in front of the burning bush, when he was in the presence of God. Angels never, ever, demanded worship for themselves.
And then there is Melchizedek, who gave Abraham bread and wine (Christian Sacrement)...
The Old Testament then starts to bring in the Messianic prophesies shortly afterward. All roads lead to Jesus from there.
The Christian scriptures teach that...
..."Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works....James 2:17-18
..."For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love."...Galatians 5:6
And our Lord Jesus taught it perfectly in saying...
..."Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit."...Matthew 7:16-17
So, once saved-always saved can be explained better by saying,..once a good fruit bearing fig tree, always a good fruit bearing fig tree.
By their fruit, ye shall know them.
And so we can see Christian doctrine explained perfectly...by Jewish standards as taught by the Old Testament. And this is the correct way to interpret the faith of Abraham.
And now I ask you, who do you say was Melchizedek?
What did His name mean, and why did Abraham worship Him and tithe to him?
Why did Melchizedek give Abraham the same sacrement (bread and wine) that Jesus gave to His disciples at the Last Supper?
Bread and Wine?
Where else was this sacrement given by God any where else in either Jewish, or Christian scriptures? What did it mean for Abraham, for the disciples?
What type of pompous comment is that?
Yes, and your example of "polished" English is an arcane dialect spoken by a declined colonial power. Why is that anything to emulate? Its obvious that you have internalized the colonial mindset.
If you really wanted an international medium, you would be better off with American English, or even better, Mandarin or Arabic.
Lets start with a translation of the name
Melech - king
zedek (tsadok)- righteous one
"Righteous king" ....that could be a label for any powerful ruler at the time.
Where exactly in the text does it say that Abraham worshiped him? Why do you spell him as "Him"? Hebrew has no caps. Not even "paleo" Hebrew.
Joshua 18 "And he said:'Nay, but I am captain of the host of the LORD; I am now come.' And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and bowed down, and said unto him:'What saith my lord unto his servant?' "
How did this subtle little bit get added into your bible?
"and did worship,". That's not in the original Hebrew. What did your translators insert that phrase? Let me guess...
If you start reading the Hebrew scriptures with a proper translation (or better yet - learn the language) from the beginning instead of from the end of your book, you will be amazed that Jesus isn't there at all.
To call your position as logical and reasonable and to reject other's position as illogical and unreasonable have been the universal practices of bigots and perpetrators of false doctrines.\
You are no exception to that rule.
And that is evident from the name you picked up for yourself. The people solve the difficult part in the name they pick up. And then rest is easy.
Oh you're so crude, narrow and unintelligent.
As expected after each shabbat your post is radiating those typical vampiristic and foul-smelling vibes.
Did you overdo the demon-worship?
The intensity of the adverse vibes and bad smell coming from your post are pretty strong.
Shabbat will not be observed in the coming supramental age for the simple reason that Judaism and its G-d and scripture will be abolished as abominations by then.
Take care - the vampire force with foul smell coming from your post is bad.
As you know, the King James Bible was derived from the Masoretic texts.
I note also that the word "Lord" in the Masoretic text of Joshua that we speak of, was "adonai"? Correct? And the bit with removing the sandals as he was standing on Holy gound?
How can that be explained, unless it was to imply a divine presence?
As to the identity of Melchizedek and the symbolism of bread and wine??
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