Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

Eric wrote:

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It appears to me that Paul did away with Shabbat:
Colossians 2:16-17:
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Eric---It appears to me that Paul did away with Shabbat:

HughBe--- Indeed, it appears so to the unlearned. Do you have an interest in becoming a Christian? You appear to me to know a lot about the NT but lack the understanding.

Please explain the OT passage below, Eric. Tell me when was the Sabbath made. If the Sabbath was made at Creation are you saying that Adam would have been ignorant of it? Has it occurred to you and your religion that Adam MUST have observed the Sabbath?

Are you saying that the righteous men of God who lived before the Israelites learnt of the Sabbath were ignorant of the it?

Isaiah 56:4-6
4 For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep MY sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6 Also the sons of the STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that KEEPETH the SABBATH from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Who is the MY in verse 4? Is it a Jew? Who are the STRANGERS in verse 6, are they Jews?

I see you tomorrow if life is spared.

HughBe wrote:

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Former---You seem preoccupied with my man parts. Should I be flattered?
HughBe--- Not really but you mentioned your inability to wrap your HEAD around something and so out of brotherly love I made a recommendation.
Former---Saturday is the sabboth for Jews;
HughBe--- Please explain to me when was the Sabbath made and please explain this OT scripture for me.
Isaiah 56:4-6
4 For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep MY sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6 Also the sons of the STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that KEEPETH the SABBATH from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Whom is the MY in verse 4? Is it a Jew? Who are the STRANGERS in verse 6, are they Jews?
Former---Sunday for Christians.I guess you're Jewish. Shalom.
HughBe--- Cite the NT texts that expound this DEMONIC doctrine.

As an agnositc, I'm not in the position to defend or explain the workings or practice of any faith-based movement.

I was only pointing out Jewish practice vs Christian practice.

You observe the sabboth on the same day as they do in Judaism.

Do you also talk with your hands?

L' chaim.

HughBe wrote:

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Former---Christianity clearly arose from Judaism. Just look at the Old Testament of the Christian bible.
HughBe--- It is MUCH more than the OT scriptures. It has to do with Jesus, the Jew, the JEWISH apostles, the JEWISH prophets the JEWISH early Church or FIRST Christians.
Based on memory, for the first 400 years of Christianity it was regarded as a JEWISH sect.

Who's arguing with that?

The world's largest religion had to start somewhere.

MUQ wrote:

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Thanks for the correction, I was using your post as a reference!

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO USE ANYTHING I POST!

The Most important thing is that the Professionally Deceived Multitudes Discover the FACTS behind the Demented, Fanatic & Extremist, Zionist Rulers!

The ONLY Noteworthy, Violent Muslim Quotes that our Zionist Propagandists can produce are DELIBERATELY Fabricated & Mistranslated Ones.

That Infamous "Wiped..." Lie was and is STILL deliberately believed and Parroted by the N.Y Times etc etc as Intended by Ziono-Media's Global Monopoly:

“Israel: "Wiped off The Map". The Rumor of the Century, Fabricated by the US Media to Justify An All out War on Iran”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php...
EXCERPT “Across the world, a dangerous rumor has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map". Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made, as the following article will prove.” CONTINUED  
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It's especially distressing to note that AIPAC / Zionist Occupied Americans have no voice in their Government and Must Rely on "AIPAC- FREE" to Keep the "Bully In The Box"

“Russian Security Official Warns Israel against Attacking Iran”
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php...

“TEHRAN (FNA)- Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolay Patrushev warned the Zionist regime of Israel to avoid military moves against Iran, cautioning that an Israeli aggression would entail "absolutely negative" consequences primarily for Israel itself and for many neighboring countries as well.”

I think you'll find this "ZIONO-MEDIA FREE" article helpful in getting a Real World Perspective on the REAL Iran as seen by Educated, Honest and Informed Professionals----NOT
the:

“SIX ZIONIST COMPANIES OWN 96% OF THE WORLD’S
MEDIA”
http://www.cnewsworld.com/world-news/six-zion... ’s-media/
“The power of lies, deceptions and disinformation as Americans pay the price of collective stupidity.”

“What Israeli and Other Western Officials Really Think About Iran”
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iran-quotes
"[The possibility of an Israeli attack on Iran is] the stupidest thing I have ever heard."
- Meir Dagan, former Israeli Mossad Chief Haaretz, July 5, 2011
In Quotes: What Israeli and Other Western Officials Really Think About Iran?1. Iran's leadership is rational.?2. Iran does not pose an existential threat to Israel.?3. Iran has not made the decision to acquire a nuclear weapon.?4. Attacking Iran would make Iran more likely to acquire a nuclear weapon, not less so.?5. Attacking Iran would ignite a regional conflict.?6. Attacking Iran would not be in US or Israeli national interests.?7. There is time to pursue non-military options.?8. The West needs to talk to Iran.

(CONTINUED

NOW...Back to Noteworthy Quotes:

THIS Reflects the Mentality of the Government tht "Gave Away" Palestine:

“Winston Churchill voiced support of the use of poison gas against Arabs, "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes."

And... in the TRUE Spirit of "Remembering the "Holocaust®"--- "Israeli Style":
"We will carry out a greater holocaust against the Palestinians," Matan Vilnai, Deputy israeli Defense Minister

AND...Back to Moshe Sharett:

“Israel's Sacred Terrorism: A Study Based on Moshe Sharett's Personal Diary and Other Documents”
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0...

AS ALWAYS!!! Please Help yourself to ANYTHING I Find:

Like how to Find "ASS-FER-HIRE"...... Just Follow his Glow-In-The-Dark Butt Plug!

Even a next page!
After cult of reason's 'nefarious activity'(i haven't used that in ages) and liam r'd fatherhood crises introduction (i better hurry up my studies)
and muq's love affair with dawkin.
Let's helpa zionist friend not in need but in deed.
quote:
In the Balikh Valley,
Syria, there was at least from the nineteenth century ad onward a clear distinction between ‘Arab,
hadar, and badu (Lewis 1988: 686).‘Arab was used for people who were semi-nomadic at that time
or had been in the past, and who were of tribal descent. Hadar was used for people who had always
been sedentary, and who could not claim a tribal descent. Badu indicated people who had been
fully nomadic camel-pastoralists. Even though these distinctions had become virtually meaningless
from an economic perspective by the time of Lewis’ ethnographic research, the maintenance of
these distinctions indicated the persistence of the ideals that were associated with each identity.
In this sense, then, Amorites may perhaps be best understood as ‘people of sheep and goat’,
thereby referring to an aspect of Amorite identity through which all Amorites identified themselves

without actually always being involved in it. The discrepancy between ideal and reality is
perhaps best reflected in the apparent incoherence...
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At the evening before the arab attacks 1949.
you should read Matai's book 'Matai ve'ech humtza ha'am hayehudi?'

But given the really involved people with the suffering of the arab people here.:
The authoritative source on the origin of “nakba” is none other than George Antonius, supposedly the first “official historian of Palestinian nationalism.” Like so many “Palestinians,” he actually wasn’t – Palestinian, that is. He was a Christian Lebanese-Egyptian who lived for a while in Jerusalem, where he composed his official advocacy/history of Arab nationalism. The Arab Awakening, a highly biased book, was published in 1938 and for years afterward was the official text used at British universities.

Antonius was an “official Palestinian representative” to Britain, trying to argue the cause for creating an Arab state in place of any prospective homeland promised the Jews under the Balfour Declaration of 1917. By the 1930’s Antonius was an active anti-Zionist propagandist, and as such was offered a job at Columbia University (where some things don’t seem to change much).

He served as an academic fig leaf for xenophobic Arab nationalists seeking to deny Jews any right to self-determination in or migration to the Land of Israel. And he was closely associated with the Grand Mufti, Hitler’s main Islamic ally, and also with the pro-German regime in Iraq in the early 1940’s.

[...]hero and mentor of Jewish leftist anti-Zionists everywhere. For example, the late Hebrew University sociology professor Baruch Kimmerling relied on Antonius at length in his own pseudo-history, Palestinians: The Making of a People (Free Press, 1993).

So how does Antonius provide us with the answer to the current-events quiz concerning the origin of “nakba”? The term was not invented in 1948 but rather in 1920. And it was coined not because of Palestinians suddenly getting nationalistic but because Arabs living in Palestine regarded themselves as Syrian and were enraged at being cut off from their Syrian homeland.

Before World War I, the entire Levant – including what is now Israel, the “occupied territories,” Jordan, Lebanon and Syria – was comprised of Ottoman Turkish colonies. When Allied forces drove the Turks out of the Levant, the two main powers, Britain and France, divided the spoils between them. Britain got Palestine, including what is now Jordan, while France got Lebanon and Syria.

The problem was that the Palestinian Arabs saw themselves as Syrians and were seen as such by other Syrians.[...} one that would divide northern Syrian Arabs from southern Syrian Arabs, the latter being those who were later misnamed “Palestinians.”

The bulk of the Palestinian Arabs had in fact migrated to Palestine from Syria and Lebanon during the previous two generations, largely to benefit from the improving conditions and job opportunities afforded by Zionist immigration and capital flowing into the area. In 1920, both sets of Syrian Arabs, those in Syria and those in Palestine, rioted violently and murderously.

On page 312 of The Arab Awakening, Antonius writes,“The year 1920 has an evil name in Arab annals: it is referred to as the Year of the Catastrophe (Am al-Nakba).[...]In that year, serious outbreaks took place in Syria, Palestine, and Iraq.”

The original “nakba” had nothing to do with Jews, and nothing to do with demands by Palestinian Arabs for self-determination, independence and statehood. To the contrary, it had everything to do with the fact that the Palestinian Arabs saw themselves as Syrians. They rioted at this nakba – at this catastrophe– because they found deeply offensive the very idea that they should be independent from Syria and Syrians.

Gray wrote:

<quoted text>
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO USE ANYTHING I POST!
The Most important thing is that the Professionally Deceived Multitudes Discover the FACTS behind the Demented, Fanatic & Extremist, Zionist Rulers!
The ONLY Noteworthy, Violent Muslim Quotes that our Zionist Propagandists can produce are DELIBERATELY Fabricated & Mistranslated Ones.
That Infamous "Wiped..." Lie was and is STILL deliberately believed and Parroted by the N.Y Times etc etc as Intended by Ziono-Media's Global Monopoly:
“Israel: "Wiped off The Map". The Rumor of the Century, Fabricated by the US Media to Justify An All out War on Iran”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php...
EXCERPT “Across the world, a dangerous rumor has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map". Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made, as the following article will prove.” CONTINUED  
`
It's especially distressing to note that AIPAC / Zionist Occupied Americans have no voice in their Government and Must Rely on "AIPAC- FREE" to Keep the "Bully In The Box"
“Russian Security Official Warns Israel against Attacking Iran”
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php...
“TEHRAN (FNA)- Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolay Patrushev warned the Zionist regime of Israel to avoid military moves against Iran, cautioning that an Israeli aggression would entail "absolutely negative" consequences primarily for Israel itself and for many neighboring countries as well.”
I think you'll find this "ZIONO-MEDIA FREE" article helpful in getting a Real World Perspective on the REAL Iran as seen by Educated, Honest and Informed Professionals----NOT
the:
“SIX ZIONIST COMPANIES OWN 96% OF THE WORLD’S
MEDIA”
http://www.cnewsworld.com/world-news/six-zion... ’s-media/
“The power of lies, deceptions and disinformation as Americans pay the price of collective stupidity.”
“What Israeli and Other Western Officials Really Think About Iran”
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iran-quotes
"[The possibility of an Israeli attack on Iran is] the stupidest thing I have ever heard."
- Meir Dagan, former Israeli Mossad Chief Haaretz, July 5, 2011
In Quotes: What Israeli and Other Western Officials Really Think About Iran?1. Iran's leadership is rational.?2. Iran does not pose an existential threat to Israel.?3. Iran has not made the decision to acquire a nuclear weapon.?4. Attacking Iran would make Iran more likely to acquire a nuclear weapon, not less so.?5. Attacking Iran would ignite a regional conflict.?6. Attacking Iran would not be in US or Israeli national interests.?7. There is time to pursue non-military options.?8. The West needs to talk to Iran.
(CONTINUED
NOW...Back to Noteworthy Quotes:
THIS Reflects the Mentality of the Government tht "Gave Away" Palestine:
“Winston Churchill voiced support of the use of poison gas against Arabs, "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against

Thank you very much, would you please post reply to Mr. Eric who commented on my post based on your input.

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In the 1920’s, the very suggestion that Palestinian Arabs constituted a separate ethnic nationality was enough to send those same Arabs out into the streets to murder and plunder violently in outrage. If they themselves insisted they were simply Syrians who had migrated to the Land of Israel, by what logic are the Palestinian Arabs deemed entitled to their own state today?
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/ne...tinian...

MUQ wrote:

TO: MAAT, this series is dedicated to you- MUQ
Revisiting 9/11/2001 --Applying the Scientific Method, Dr. Steven E. Jones Part-23
Conclusion:
118. In closing, I wish to emphasize that there are now many capable individuals who are contributing to the quest for the truth about what happened on 9/11/01 and the possibility of insider involvement. For example, there are already over thirty-five peer-reviewed papers at the Journalof911Studies.com .
119. I wish to add my conviction that 9/11 researchers must not assume a defensive posture, supposing that we are just victims in a brutal chess game. Rather, we can increase awareness of the many lines of evidence that together imply that the 9/11 events involve much more than we have been told by the US government or by the media.
(Let us be active and proactive – we can reduce our dependence on the globalized system, get out of debt and put reserves into local credit unions and in our own homes. We can reduce credit-card consumerism and build home reserves of food, cash and water. We need to look to our inner values; instead of fearing terrorists (foreign and domestic).
We can build cooperation, sharing, and caring as we build the local infrastructure in our communities. We can rally around the Constitution in the United States, and the Geneva Conventions, and other standards of civility and human liberty throughout the world. I advocate only peaceful methods and a respect for all religious and ethnic groups, including Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus and all others.
120. Many of us sense a higher Source guiding our research and peace efforts. I am confident that by working together and seeking the facts with determination, we will succeed in finding out the truth about 9/11. If we act before the next series of restrictions on our liberties, we should be able to achieve justice and peace as well.
http://journalof911studies.com/letters/c/what...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200...

I totally second this.
And it would be so nice it the arab spring turns out to be real democracy! Where even the real democratic free intelligentia has a say!

extremely wicked transgression
=nefarious
like modern sex-slavery. A documentary named Nefarious.

Ever wondered where 'goyim' came from:
https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/bitstream/ha...

Ever wondered about the 'son of man' expression.
The first codices have the greek; Joseph named him: Ishuon
So we get the play on word that only makes sense to an aramaic-greek audience: ish-man and uion-son.

Eric and where you keep your feet up ;)
Excuse me not for interrupting your party!
What utter BS that an invented faith that shuns all things hebraic is for four centuries jewish xian!
It was nothing and when it became it was stolen and perverted beyond recognition.
I've not read the book by Bennet but as far as i have tracked actual sources i see no reason whatsoever to suppose such inference.
If any, it would all be from a later date.
Otherwise start proving.
(Someone... Eric you are ideal since you send me on the quest of horrific romanized latin and estrangela and other nefarious terrors that go with looking for anything -even a glimpse of- jewish influences on xianity.

romanized latin-romanized greek
but it is best if you never had this correction and for yer soul's sake, don't look in to it.

HughBe wrote:

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Eric---It appears to me that Paul did away with Shabbat:
HughBe--- Indeed, it appears so to the unlearned. Do you have an interest in becoming a Christian? You appear to me to know a lot about the NT but lack the understanding.
Please explain the OT passage below, Eric. Tell me when was the Sabbath made. If the Sabbath was made at Creation are you saying that Adam would have been ignorant of it? Has it occurred to you and your religion that Adam MUST have observed the Sabbath?
Are you saying that the righteous men of God who lived before the Israelites learnt of the Sabbath were ignorant of the it?
Isaiah 56:4-6
4 For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep MY sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6 Also the sons of the STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that KEEPETH the SABBATH from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Who is the MY in verse 4? Is it a Jew? Who are the STRANGERS in verse 6, are they Jews?
I see you tomorrow if life is spared.

Hey, don't talk to me about it. You are talking to one who does not object to your interpretation of the Tanakh. Talk to Paul and those who interpret Paul, e.g., http://www.ccmlinks.com/posts.php... and http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-de... and http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-de... and http://www.christian-history.org/sabbath.html

These are but a handful of links that you get from google. All cite the words of Paul. All give the opinion that Christians no longer need to observe Shabbat. So, go argue with the members of your religion. You and I are not on opposite sides of this issue.

http://concordances.org/hebrew/vehassarisim_5...
saris-official
has sa"-
las sa"-
welissa"-
it's all dealt with the same in the translation unless it seems very unlikely to mean eunuch/official/courtier etc.
711 BCE and some think it was really written for the house-jamaican.

MAAT wrote:

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I totally second this.
And it would be so nice it the arab spring turns out to be real democracy! Where even the real democratic free intelligentia has a say!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/opinion/sun...

Thomas Friedman

"...What happened to the “Facebook Revolution”?

Actually, Facebook is having a bad week — in the stock market and the ideas market. As a liberal Egyptian friend observed,“Facebook really helped people to communicate, but not to collaborate.” No doubt Facebook helped a certain educated class of Egyptians to spread the word about the Tahrir Revolution. Ditto Twitter. But, at the end of the day, politics always comes down to two very old things: leadership and the ability to get stuff done. And when it came to those, both the Egyptian Army and the Muslim Brotherhood, two old “brick and mortar” movements, were much more adept than the Facebook generation of secular progressives and moderate Islamists — whose candidates together won more votes than Morsi and Shafik combined in the first round of voting but failed to make the runoff because they divided their votes among competing candidates who would not align..."

Colin The Zionist wrote:

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Perhaps you misunderstood my post
I agree 100% with you that is exactly what I said the Christian church teaches that the Torah is done away with and that Paul (Rav Shaul) says so in his epistles, yet Yehoshua says I have not come to do away with the Torah. Funny that, is it not.

Why do you call Paul "Rav Shaul"?

Gray wrote:

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PLEASE FEEL FREE TO USE ANYTHING I POST!

OK, thanks....I took the liberty of compiling the most intelligent portions of your post

Here it is...

hmm...evering quiet on the eastern front...
as in this must be monday and i'm bored. lol
Rarely happens!
Frijoles do you maybe know what the significance is of LUCA appearing in pro-and eukaryotes as well?
I forgot. So i found a site stating that LUCA indeed happens in the organels of all sort of cells. Wonderfull. But why again? ;)