iranian or turkish???!!!

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I am a proud Iranian azeri. Azeris are Iranian why would we want to seperate from out country? 6172

what is the link between separation and ethnicity???
Republic of Azerbaijan is multi-ethnic country, turkish element is like 5. element, we turks are just like a glue, or like a shebeke or a net.

you Tabriz are maybe persionised i don't know who.
we turks have very close to iranian culture, it doesnot make us iranian!

if your heart doesn't beat faster when you(in London) hear or speak azeri turkish, if Gultegin Kagan,....Dede Qorqud doesnot mean for you anything, you are surely not turk.

Aghac koku uste biter.
have you ever seen a tree without roots?

Azeri wrote:

turboratur,
"My location is in Tabriz in Iran . but you dont need turbo in your brain because you are fool anyway"
you are fool if you see in me a fool one.
"fuzuli, nasimi , khataii are not Azari . They were turkifed Albanian or Turkaman .they were not from azarbaijan . Khataii is not safavi . they are Two different person in different time ( shah Ismaiil safavi was not Shah ismaiil khataii ). I am Azari and speak turki , not Dari ( you say persian ). I live in AZARBAIJAN "
Fuzuli Nasimi Khatai are turkish poets, as their language is turkish. just like Pushkin is russian not ethiopian.Turgenev is russian not turkish.Chingiz Abdullayev is russian not turkish. Nizami is persian not turkish (though his blood is turkish).
plz don't insult my national feelings. Shah Ismail was warrior and poet in one face.
i don;t know why but i don't trust to your words that you speak turki. whould you understand Almas Ildirim or Mushfiq?

but Potin is TARTAR and not russian ! Lenin was TarTar and not russian !
shah ismail was not poet . shah ismail khataii was different person in different time . you dont know this because the history that you studied in your faked country was and is FAKED HISTORY !
Nezami ( Nizami !!!) was not persian . he was caucasi similar albans and armenian and georgian .

Azeri wrote:

"Alban were not turk , they were Gafgazi ( Caucasia people )and descendant of urrartoian and hurrian and caspian and georgian and abkhazian and other people of caucasus"
first i know my history better than you.
"alban is caucasian not turk" the same we learn at school and universities.
alban is turk! if you speak turki read in azeri wiki about us.
Altay is golden in turkic,(the word altay comes from the word altan - this you can read even in soviet az. enciclopedy written by russians)
Altan is golden in turkic,
Altun is golden in modern azeri turkish,
Altin is golden in modern anatolian turkish.
Alban=Alvan=Alan
the word alvan-colored, shining arabs have taken from us.
Al- red in modern azeri turkish.
ala- colored in modern azeri turkish.

Alban were not Turks , Albans were Cafcasi with Caucasi race and language similar to Urartoian ( now Armenian ) and Hurian ( now Kurds ) and Caspian and Katuzian and Tapurian (Gilan & Mazandaran ) and georgian and manaiian ( now kurds )and Abkhazian and chechenis and east Anatolian , this is easy but you dont like to accept rights !
yes Altun is gold in Turkic but not in Azari ! in Azari gold is Qzl ( Qizil ). Alban was not Alan , Alans were Aryan ( Iranian ) nomads with Iranian language and culture in central Asia and south russia , their descentants were sarmatians and medians .
you try to make words for your ideas but this is ineffective !

Azeri wrote:

"Azari dont blong to "turanid race" , but people of Repuplic of Azerbaijan! blong to turanid race , because people of Azerbaijan country are not AZARI . They are half Albanian and half Mongol with turkic language "
what is AZARi people for you? as i undestand you say azari(iranian turks) are not turks, but Republic of AZe is turk?
aydin yazsaydin, sene sagol deyerdim.
the scientists say the turkish race is always between europid and mongoloid, in simple words we are europeans with mongoloid features.
to say the truth i don't want to be azari,
we are AZ-Er = of tribe Az or Yas ( i have read that selfname of Kazan tatars before russian genosidical policy was Yas)

Your scientists is in wrong ! there were not a race between europid and mongoloid , unless Hybrid !
Egain you try to make word !!!! Az is a name of tribe !!!!!
this is a new and funny idea or story !!!
Azar is ATHAR in Pahlavi language , and OTHARH ( Atash ) in DARI ( persian ), Zartosht was an ATHARVAN in AVESTA ! Zartosht was froam ATHARPATA ( ATHOR-PADEGAN : Atropadegan : Azaeabadegan : Azarbaijan ). Arabic letter " ذ " is not " Z " indeed but is " TH " . In Arabic language to " TH " say " Z " !!!. Do you know this ?!
Athar : Fire , Padegan :garrison . Arabs dont pronounce Atharpadegan ! they said and say " AZARBAIJAN " .
"th " is between " s " and " D " but Arabs says and writes " ذ " .
Azar is and was very much in Iranian names and cultures and persons . Atropad mitra seoandan ( real pronounce ): AZARbad mehr sefandan ( Arabic pronounce )
rostam-Azari ( rostam farrikh hormoz ) the prince of Azarabadegan and Sasanian general in Qadesia war with Arab muslims but not from caucase or your country and was not turk , He was AZARI , real Azari from real AZARBAIJAN .

Azeri wrote:

"yes Arab historian stated that language of Azarbaijan and Armanestan ( Armenia )and Aran are ARABIC and FARSI in century 2 and 3 hejri qamari .
they stated that language of Tabriz was ARABIC PAHLAVI ( mixture of Parti and Arabic )
most of Talysh and Tats speak Turkic now . only 5% of them speak their languages in theire's villages .now you say to them Azeri !"
never trust to an arab.i agree dominant language was persian, never arabic.
we call talish tats - azeri but never turk.i don't agree, every tat speaks persian, i know this exactly as i know lahij people very well, they call us tyrki,notice not turki or torki, but tyrki!we call them tat.

but in genetic tests your Turks and tats from yoyr country show exactly same Y amd mt DNA ! they are same in race byt have different language ! turki and tati !
Lahij are not Persian . Lahijs are caspians and Tapurian ( caucasi race ). you think that anybody speak turki is Turk ! and speak farsi ( dari ) is persian ! there are a city "Lahijan" in north iran ( Mazandaran province ). people of Mazandaran show same Y and mt DNA of people of R.AzErbaijan in genetic tests !
most azari in village of Azarbaijan ( nw.Iran ) say "tut" to eachother and not Turks!

Azeri wrote:

"Az or As or os are ossetian now and they were from scythian in east of caspian sea and dont relate to word Azar . this is another fake by you .
Fire in turkic is not Od , It is ort or othur ."
read in turkicworld.org about lies about avars and alans.
read in wiki that selfname of ossetians is IRONI as they are iranian people.even not alans.
alans avars are turkic peoples ,came to Caucasus, the others gave their name to local iranian speaking tribes, that is why now ironi people is called alan or ossetin, anladin?
skythians were not homogeneous,it was iranians+turks+slavics.
i spend my time to respond to you, hope to get some respect,don't write "fake by you", i can insult you also.
which turkic are you talking? OD is fire in my and anatolian turkish languages.
in sumerian it was UD.

avars are not alans ! avars YDNA is J1 similar arabs ! avars are not tuks , they are semit .
scythian were iranian nomads , even Iranian old hero " rustam " was a sakaii ( scythian ). your and anatolian turkish language is not pure some of it is persian language and arabic !

Azeri wrote:

"Turks did not worship fire . they were totemist "
turks worshipped anything, like any other peoples.
totem is tamga, damga. we didnot warship to our damga.
you can find in wiki about turkish tamgas.

turks worship enything !!!!!!!!!
yes becouse your turks are not real turks but were Iranian , slaves , natives of coucasus , Afghans , semits and most of people of world !!!!!!!!!!

Azeri wrote:

"I see people of Baku were very similar to people of Armenian and Georgia and Gilaks and Mazandaranian ( people of north iran ) and kurds than AZARIS ."
georgians and hayk have a good dose of turkic blood.it is normal when azeri turk is similar to them, ofcoz we have caucasian and persian blood also.i have read somewhere that great Tamar(georgians have many Tamar) has had balkarian father or husband i don't remember. Balkar is turkic people living in Caucasus, just like Karachays.
how do AZAris look like? like little ahmadinejad?
i watch news everyday,every iranian official that comes to here has so turkish face.but they are etnically persians, so i made conclusion that iranians are genetically more turks than me.

Ahmadineghad is not Azari , he is dari language man from semnan province . he is very similar to Arabs and gilaks .
If an Azeri ( Faked Azari ) come to Tabriz all of people in streets find and understand that he is foreigner ! due to his different phenotype and mien !
I was in baku and their all people say were are you from ?!
in your opinion what is turkic genetics ?!
Q or O or C ?!!

Azeri wrote:

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how can i define if it is persian or so called azary language if i don't speak persian? i think you call azary language a dialect of persian. acording to this logic every city in my country has own language.
i know Qatran Tabrizi, and i know he wrote in persian,not in azary persian.
anyone knows Alparslan Tamerlan were not qizilbash, they were agillibash.

Qatran Tabrizi was Arab , his name is Qatran altabrizi alazdi !
from AZD tribe that migrate from YEMEN to Iran .
language and race is not same , most people in world are different language from their races !

Azeri wrote:

http://amireyvaz.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_484...
Khalif Muaviyya : what whould yoy sat about Azerbaijan?
Al Jurkhumi : it is turkish land, they live there from ancient times, mixed with each others, develeoped and become strong.
from the work of arab historian of VII c.

Yes Azarbaijan were land of Turanian , even in shahname all Turanian nominate as Turks but not your Turks ! Afrasiab was defeated in AZarbaijan ! Turk is a name to nomads in century 6 to 16 ! they can be Iranian or mongol or slave or enynomads in central Asia !
now Turks show very different YDNA ! such : N ( YAQUTs ), R1b ( TURKMANS ), RIa1 ( QerQIz ), J2 ( Anatolian Turks ) and c ( Mongols ) and Q ( REd Indian ) and K , G , F , P , I . which one are turks ?!!!!!!!!! in your opinion All people of world are TURKS !!!!!!!!!!

Azeri wrote:

" Aryan YDNA exist . IT is R1a1 ."
http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald/WorldHaplog...
Altayans and kyrgiz are aryans according to you, persians are not.
do you know this file was deleted from wiki, maybe after my reference to it .
http://74.125.77.132/search?q= cache:UEXgBnZ2DnsJ:en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/File:Y-Haplogroups- 1500AD-World-Map.png+File:Y-Ha plogroups-1500AD-World-Map.png &cd=1&hl=ru&ct=cln k&gl=ru

Most people of IRAN are not Persian , you think who speak farsi is Persian !!!!!!!!!!
no , Persian is a race not language , Persian language was overturn .
only 20% of Iran are Aryan ( Persian , median , parthian ,...) and rest are Arabs and jews and elamits and natives ( such : caspians , tapurian , amardian , katusian , hurrian , manaiian and ... that adopted DARI ( Farsi !) or Turkic languages , and you think now they are Persians or Turks !!!!! this is your problem . you can't distinguish between race and language !

Azeri wrote:

Marco Polo " from Tabriz to Persia - 12 days ..."
that is Tabriz is not Persia.

yes , Persia ( Fars ) is a province in south Iran . but most people of it not persins but Elamits and arabs and Qashqaii turks !
elamites and arabs speak farsi now and you think they are persian !!!
this is your problem .

Azeri wrote:

"herodotus has write that persians migrated from north of Black sea to around of lake "
i didnot know this fact....
then persians are really close relative to turks, as north of Karadeniz is habitat of nomadic turks+slavics+iranians ( skytians)

yes , even Assyrian kings state in their inscriptions Persians are in around of lake Urmia and Azarbaijan is their homeland ! in real Azarbaijan ! and not in south Iran . egain you are in mistake . all aryan migrated from central Asia and south Russia to Iran , India , Afghanestan . they are nomads and warriors !
you think natives of Iran and India were Aryans due to their languages !!!.

Azeri wrote:

turboratur,
why do you speak turki( you said) if you are not genetically turk? someone (iranian turkish dictators) forsed you?

Who are genetically Turks ? Turkamans or qerqiz or uighures or azeris ! or anatolian turks or tartars ?!! all of them have different genotypes !
Yes , shah Ismaiil SAVAVI and his qizilbash army forced people of Azarbaijan to accepte SHIAA sect of islam and turkic language !!!
and they genocide people of Tabriz and most city of Azarbaijan . this is in history of savavian .
people of azarbaijan were shfeii sunni muslims and Gabrs ( fire worshipers and not zartoshti )with real Persian language , not Dari ( faked persian language from Afghanistan and tadjikestan ).
even Azari poems presents themselves as PERSIANs with PERSIAN language ! and other people of Iran and Afghanistan as NONpersain with Dari langugage !!!

Azeri wrote:

"yes Arab historian stated that language of Azarbaijan and Armanestan ( Armenia )and Aran are ARABIC and FARSI in century 2 and 3 hejri qamari .
they stated that language of Tabriz was ARABIC PAHLAVI ( mixture of Parti and Arabic )
most of Talysh and Tats speak Turkic now . only 5% of them speak their languages in theire's villages .now you say to them Azeri !"
never trust to an arab.i agree dominant language was persian, never arabic.
we call talish tats - azeri but never turk.i don't agree, every tat speaks persian, i know this exactly as i know lahij people very well, they call us tyrki,notice not turki or torki, but tyrki!we call them tat.

when I was in baku , I see many tats and talishes that speak turki ( your Azeri turki )! and people similar you say to them AZERIS !!!!!!!!!!
even you can't pronounce AZARI correct , and say AZERI !!!!!!!!!!
shayad sanin aghzin ayridi !!!!!!!!!!

Azeri wrote:

what is the link between separation and ethnicity???
Republic of Azerbaijan is multi-ethnic country, turkish element is like 5. element, we turks are just like a glue, or like a shebeke or a net.
you Tabriz are maybe persionised i don't know who.
we turks have very close to iranian culture, it doesnot make us iranian!
if your heart doesn't beat faster when you(in London) hear or speak azeri turkish, if Gultegin Kagan,....Dede Qorqud doesnot mean for you anything, you are surely not turk.
Aghac koku uste biter.
have you ever seen a tree without roots?

I am Azari from Ardabil and the roots is grown in Iran.and proud to be Iranian, for you go learn English before you post shit and stay in the other side.

Azeri wrote:

what is the link between separation and ethnicity???
Republic of Azerbaijan is multi-ethnic country, turkish element is like 5. element, we turks are just like a glue, or like a shebeke or a net.
you Tabriz are maybe persionised i don't know who.
we turks have very close to iranian culture, it doesnot make us iranian!
if your heart doesn't beat faster when you(in London) hear or speak azeri turkish, if Gultegin Kagan,....Dede Qorqud doesnot mean for you anything, you are surely not turk.
Aghac koku uste biter.
have you ever seen a tree without roots?

yes , gultegin kagan and Dede qorqud do not mean for me anything , even I never see or hear that my father and my ancestors speak about qultegin kagan ! and dede qorqud !
I only see in Internet webs !
atlast I dont understand who are or were your Turks ?!
your turks are these people !:
cimmerian !, scythian !, sarmatian , Alans ,medes , hurrian , manaiian , caspian , albans , urartuian , sumerian , red indian , elamits , gutian , parthian ,...!!!!!!

No . cimerian , scythian , Sarmatian , turanian , parthian , Alans and medes and Persian were IRANIAN ( Aryans ).
hurrian , manaiian , urrartuian , albans , georgian , abkhazian ,... were caucasian ( caucasus race )
non of them were not turks , but now maybe half of them have turkic language . and you think they were turks .

Mr Azeri ; do you know what is your problem ?
Your problem is this :
You think people of AZARBAIJAN are one people of one race ( have same race )!
but NO ,
in antropology some Azaris are dinaric , some Alpighnid , some nordic and some mediteranian , even alittle groups are turanid !
in genetically have these YDNAs : G , J2 , R1a , R1b , I , P , F , K , R2 , J1 ,...
in historically are : caspians , manaiians , hurrians , albans , cimmerians , massagetaes , scythians , sarmatians , persians , parthians , medians , Arabs , Jews , Assyrians , Armenians , urrartuis , mongols , Turkamans , kurds ,....
indeed people of Azarbaijan are different roots and not same root . maybe an Azari from baku have Alban ancestor , from Marage Median ancestor , from Moghan Persian , from urmia Assyrian , from Ahar Arab , from Miandoab manaii , from Lankaran masagetae , from Asatara caspian , from Zanjan Parthian , from Marand scythian , from Tabriz sarmatian , from khoy Turkman ,... but now all ( most ) of them speak Turkic and are muslims and you think that all of them are Turks !!!!
this is your PROBLEM .