iranian or turkish???!!!

frist of all i would like to know all iranian azaries who think they are separate from iran and belong to turkey,what religion you do believe and who was your prophet initially???

for me who am an original iranian,prophet zoroaster(zartosht) and zoroastrian religion were the first,which all iranian emperors fallowed him and ahoora mazda.

if you think you are not an iranian ,so whats your first faith then,let me know then after we can debate about it more sensiblly,also dont forget that prophet zartosht was born in azarbijan province and azar is not a turkish word ,it is a persian word and it means ATASH,and azarbijan also is a persian word which means "the place of zartosht birth"and all those places even more of its surroundings like gorgia or turkey were part of iran ,so how comes tabriz not for iran or azari people not for iran??? you have to think abit deeply and back to your ancestors and look for them that who were they??then decide to say who are you?my friend you need more reading about iran deeply rich culture.you are an iranian and there is not any separation at all,do not sell your self very cheap,think and read abit more then we will talk about everything in a friendly way.

thanks...Homayoun

Haha, I was curious just like you once. This whole pan-turanism is extremism. Iran is in extrem condition. There will be no seperation. America tried to seperate us in Iraq Iran war, the result. Azaris lined up to defend Iran.

Azeris want to be admitted, you know googoosh? She was from north azerbadjan but was called the persian diva. This is uppsetting, its like a girl from shiraz being praised as the teherani diva.

I have met 1 Tabrizi wanting to seperate. I have met no other, dosent matther who i talk to. All other Azeris are Iranian patriots!

In north Azerbadjan schools teach that Babak was a turk fighting Persians. In South, they know better.

Dont worry about it, its not Iraq or Yugoslavia. Its Iran Zamin we are talking about here.

God wrote:

Haha, I was curious just like you once. This whole pan-turanism is extremism. Iran is in extrem condition. There will be no seperation. America tried to seperate us in Iraq Iran war, the result. Azaris lined up to defend Iran.
Azeris want to be admitted, you know googoosh? She was from north azerbadjan but was called the persian diva. This is uppsetting, its like a girl from shiraz being praised as the teherani diva.
I have met 1 Tabrizi wanting to seperate. I have met no other, dosent matther who i talk to. All other Azeris are Iranian patriots!
In north Azerbadjan schools teach that Babak was a turk fighting Persians. In South, they know better.
Dont worry about it, its not Iraq or Yugoslavia. Its Iran Zamin we are talking about here.

The label Persian is some time carlesly used by out sider in all of Asia continent we called Iranian.

When enemay uses it instead of Iran ,it means they are with drawing their recognition of Iran ; clearly an act of war.

Other then Persia,which what the Greeco __Roman adversary called Iran there are others new names given :

Axess of evil, rogue NATION, and there may be many more in the tube.

GOD YOU RIGHT,on other hand how God be Wrong.it is impossuble.
Imperliasm is for of mentall deterioration and Freuidian attributed to Sextual fruetrations.
Examle in United State there are more books about how to screw a woman then there are books about Physics and mathmatics,is not that give you a hint about this feecked up country?
ZEUS

Turkish Chevinism:
Famous author Orhan Pamuk has been charged with insulting Turkey's national character.
He was quoted in a Swiss paper as saying that only he had dared to say that Turkey killed 30,000 Kurds and a million Armenians.
Turkey accepts thousands of Armenians were killed by Ottoman Empire forces in 1915-17, but strongly denies genocide.
The "30,000 Kurds" referred to by Mr Pamuk are those who have died since 1984 in the conflict between Turkey and Kurdish separatists.
'Public denigration'
Turkey - which is keen to improve its human rights record ahead of European Union entry talks next month - is sensitive over both the Armenian and Kurdish issues.
Mr Pamuk's comments angered Turkish nationalists and politicians when they were quoted in the magazine of Swiss newspaper Tages Anzeiger in February.
A prosecutor in Istanbul has now indicted Mr Pamuk on charges the remarks amounted to a "public denigration" of Turkish identity.

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocid ...

http://www.cilicia.com/armo10.html

http://www.theforgotten.org/intro.html

http://www.genocide1915.info/

http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/ ...

http://www.hr-action.org/armenia/index.html

http://www.hyeetch.nareg.com.au/genocide/inde ...

http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genocide/arm ...

http://www.armenocide.am/

http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/

http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/ ...

Meymand wrote:

Turkish Chevinism:
Famous author Orhan Pamuk has been charged with insulting Turkey's national character.
He was quoted in a Swiss paper as saying that only he had dared to say that Turkey killed 30,000 Kurds and a million Armenians.
Turkey accepts thousands of Armenians were killed by Ottoman Empire forces in 1915-17, but strongly denies genocide.
The "30,000 Kurds" referred to by Mr Pamuk are those who have died since 1984 in the conflict between Turkey and Kurdish separatists.
'Public denigration'
Turkey - which is keen to improve its human rights record ahead of European Union entry talks next month - is sensitive over both the Armenian and Kurdish issues.
Mr Pamuk's comments angered Turkish nationalists and politicians when they were quoted in the magazine of Swiss newspaper Tages Anzeiger in February.
A prosecutor in Istanbul has now indicted Mr Pamuk on charges the remarks amounted to a "public denigration" of Turkish identity.
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocid ...
http://www.cilicia.com/armo10.html
http://www.theforgotten.org/intro.html
http://www.genocide1915.info/
http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/ ...
http://www.hr-action.org/armenia/index.html
http://www.hyeetch.nareg.com.au/genocide/inde ...
http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genocide/arm ...
http://www.armenocide.am/
http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/
http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/ ...

Thre siginificant numbers of Kurds ,Arabs,Cherkisian who their grand mother or mothers are Armenian .all these little girls at the time of Turkish onslought were taken and hidden from the eyes of the turks by those ethincks that I mentioned ,in particulerlly in the region of Lebanon and Peletine,Jordan,,Syria and Iraq ,and the region of Azerpadigan. Their may a five tousand story about the catasrophy of Arminian genoside just in thes families alone.
Turkey can denied what ever they want .The rest of the world will do what ever they want,by the way an equal geniside happened to the Kurds too.Hundred of thousand Kurds were killed by Ismet Inono ,we have many memorie of Kurdish officers mostly Sourani Kurds who were Mustafa Kemal commanders,they speaks of unimeginable horor they did against the Kurds specially in Derseem ,Derseemlies are Alwiate Shia.

Well that is another story for another time

So much nonsese posted here. Azeris are Turks. I am Persian and I can tell you that. Mr. Ahmadinejad is a typical Azeri Turk and not Gogoosh as you claim. According to genetic studies Azeris are turks and are related to Anatolian turks. Persians do not need some fake "Iranian Azeri Turks". Azeri turks should admit their ethnic identity and do not try to use Persian history. Zoarastra was born in Mazar Sharif in Afghanistan and not in Azerbaijan. The name of Azerbaijan refers to natives of Azerbaijan and not to Azeri Turks. Azeri Turks have murdered the natives of Azerbaijan when migrating to this area. The Kurds can explain that.

Persian wrote:

So much nonsese posted here. Azeris are Turks. I am Persian and I can tell you that. Mr. Ahmadinejad is a typical Azeri Turk and not Gogoosh as you claim. According to genetic studies Azeris are turks and are related to Anatolian turks. Persians do not need some fake "Iranian Azeri Turks". Azeri turks should admit their ethnic identity and do not try to use Persian history. Zoarastra was born in Mazar Sharif in Afghanistan and not in Azerbaijan. The name of Azerbaijan refers to natives of Azerbaijan and not to Azeri Turks. Azeri Turks have murdered the natives of Azerbaijan when migrating to this area. The Kurds can explain that.

Oh holy God, Jesus, Mary mother of God; ...
What I am hearing,.... Please dont give me heart attack, what are these you are writing, where is the science and documents behind?

My dear Osolonor or Oslonorich,
1. Why you call yourself Persian while obviously acting against Iran and Persia? What is your mission?
2. Where is your genetic knowledge coming from? Which genetic studies? Who performed these studies and where (I know enough about Genetics, Molecular Biology, gene therapy and genome project, I can handle it, show me authentic references)?

3. Zartosht was born in MAZAR SHARIF? Oh dear God what is this internet you created, everything can be writtten and demonstrated as real, original and scientific. But still there are good number of wise people out there who require strong and solid prooves.
Oslonorich my friend please:
provide strong, solid documents, and,
convince me of really being Persian who wants good for Iran and Persia.
God bless you.

Persian wrote:

So much nonsese posted here. Azeris are Turks. I am Persian and I can tell you that. Mr. Ahmadinejad is a typical Azeri Turk and not Gogoosh as you claim. According to genetic studies Azeris are turks and are related to Anatolian turks. Persians do not need some fake "Iranian Azeri Turks". Azeri turks should admit their ethnic identity and do not try to use Persian history. Zoarastra was born in Mazar Sharif in Afghanistan and not in Azerbaijan. The name of Azerbaijan refers to natives of Azerbaijan and not to Azeri Turks. Azeri Turks have murdered the natives of Azerbaijan when migrating to this area. The Kurds can explain that.

Mr persian from California,im afraid i have to say that your information about iran is so basic or even you know nothing about iran,im sorry ,if you are a persian then how are you dividing your country up?this is a treachery to iran land.also your fucking idiot president(ahmadi nejad is not from azarbijan province,he is from SEMNAN province,and we are not talking about him and nothing to do with him, dont mix up everything together,first get exact information then type here,ok my friend be sensible please.

if you are an azari,can i ask you what does azarbijan mean??and what is your back ground?
and if you do believe in religion, what was your ancestral religion?

you answer this question then we will debate more about these.please dont swear at me ,just answer the questions,.

thank you in advance.

Homayoun

The Following report shows that Azeris from North, Azeris in Iran and Anatolian Turks show a similar DNA or gene markers. "Iranian" means Azeri Turk. Persians are not related to Azeris and is not listed here.

University of Chicago Report: Iranian peoples
Populations located west of the Indus basin, including those from Iran, Anatolia and the Caucasus, exhibit a common mtDNA lineage composition, consisting mainly of western Eurasian lineages, with a very limited contribution from South Asia and eastern Eurasia (fig. 1). Indeed, the different Iranian populations show a striking degree of homogeneity. This is revealed not only by the nonsignificant FST values and the PC plot (fig. 6) but also by the SAMOVA results, in which a significant genetic barrier separates populations west of Pakistan from those east and north of the Indus Valley (results not shown). These observations suggest either a common origin of modern Iranian populations and/or extensive levels of gene flow amongst them.

Persian wrote:

The Following report shows that Azeris from North, Azeris in Iran and Anatolian Turks show a similar DNA or gene markers. "Iranian" means Azeri Turk. Persians are not related to Azeris and is not listed here.
University of Chicago Report: Iranian peoples
Populations located west of the Indus basin, including those from Iran, Anatolia and the Caucasus, exhibit a common mtDNA lineage composition, consisting mainly of western Eurasian lineages, with a very limited contribution from South Asia and eastern Eurasia (fig. 1). Indeed, the different Iranian populations show a striking degree of homogeneity. This is revealed not only by the nonsignificant FST values and the PC plot (fig. 6) but also by the SAMOVA results, in which a significant genetic barrier separates populations west of Pakistan from those east and north of the Indus Valley (results not shown). These observations suggest either a common origin of modern Iranian populations and/or extensive levels of gene flow amongst them.

DNA? WTF! Who cares if someone has turkish DNA? Im from Khorassan, im blond, brown eyed and look a bit asian. I know its freaky, but still. I consider myself Iranian. Im all Iranian, my grandfather is azeri. I also have what you would assume, greek, mongol influences. Who cares?

Exactly who is pure persian? We are all Iranians!

A kurdish Agha DNA showed that if he became presidant of Iran
the First thing he will do Excute a dozen or more Ayatolah:

The second thing he will build five hundred Nuclear Bomb,and if needed will go to wahington on his knee asking permission to wipe out the folowing cespolian Biagdom
Turkey
Ajebjijian where Bako located
It is all in his DNA

Persian wrote:

The Following report shows that Azeris from North, Azeris in Iran and Anatolian Turks show a similar DNA or gene markers. "Iranian" means Azeri Turk. Persians are not related to Azeris and is not listed here.
University of Chicago Report: Iranian peoples
Populations located west of the Indus basin, including those from Iran, Anatolia and the Caucasus, exhibit a common mtDNA lineage composition, consisting mainly of western Eurasian lineages, with a very limited contribution from South Asia and eastern Eurasia (fig. 1). Indeed, the different Iranian populations show a striking degree of homogeneity. This is revealed not only by the nonsignificant FST values and the PC plot (fig. 6) but also by the SAMOVA results, in which a significant genetic barrier separates populations west of Pakistan from those east and north of the Indus Valley (results not shown). These observations suggest either a common origin of modern Iranian populations and/or extensive levels of gene flow amongst them.

We have millions Iranian Pure,pure Iranian: Meaning mixtures of Parthian ,Persiann,Mede.

of course we have our Gene spread around the world ,that is why a lot good looking people in variouse parts of Asia and Europe are good looking ,because their Nena slept and accepted Iranian gene in their womp.
I have a detail study about that which I will reliez very son . It showed Italian ,Greeks and spainyards are Half Iranian, Austerian and British are 34% Iranian ,polish 55%,Russian 59% are Iranian .

The sabotors in Iran and their agent abroad showed that they are 94% Jasosian ,and 6% mongolian

An obvious example of deliberate diversion of scientific facts and non-scientific data interpretation:

Persian wrote:

The Following report shows that Azeris from North, Azeris in Iran and Anatolian Turks show a similar DNA or gene markers. "Iranian" means Azeri Turk. Persians are not related to Azeris and is not listed here.

University of Chicago Report: Iranian peoples
Populations located west of the Indus basin, including those from Iran, Anatolia and the Caucasus, exhibit a common mtDNA lineage composition, consisting mainly of western Eurasian lineages, with a very limited contribution from South Asia and eastern Eurasia (fig. 1). Indeed, the different Iranian populations show a striking degree of homogeneity. This is revealed not only by the nonsignificant FST values and the PC plot (fig. 6) but also by the SAMOVA results, in which a significant genetic barrier separates populations west of Pakistan from those east and north of the Indus Valley (results not shown). These observations suggest either a common origin of modern Iranian populations and/or extensive levels of gene flow amongst them.

Who you are kiding Oslonorich?
Escuse me we are educated people here.
The report you mentioned shows IRANIANS, ANATOLIANS and CAUCAS PEOPLE have some common genes. It says:

"Iranian peoples
Populations located ... those from Iran, Anatolia and the Caucasus, exhibit a common mtDNA lineage composition ..."

The only difference it mentions is between East and west of PAKISTAN.

The report you mentioned (which scientific journal it is published in) also says clearly and in plain English:

"Indeed, the different Iranian populations show a striking degree of homogeneity."

STRIKING DEGREE OF HOMOGENEITY

you can not divide Iranians, you can NOT divide IRAN.
The money you are feeding yourself and your family is dirty money, shame on you Oslonorich, what have real Iranians done to you to bring you to this stage trying very hard, day and night to cause arbitrary civil war in Iran? You enjoy people killing each other?

God wrote:

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DNA? WTF! Who cares if someone has turkish DNA? Im from Khorassan, im blond, brown eyed and look a bit asian. I know its freaky, but still. I consider myself Iranian. Im all Iranian, my grandfather is azeri. I also have what you would assume, greek, mongol influences. Who cares?
Exactly who is pure persian? We are all Iranians!

The report this Oslonorich mentioned

DOES NOT SPEAK OF ANY GENTIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IRANIANS AT ALL

(I am working in the field and have publications in scientific journals)

Just the opposite:

THE REPORT PROOFS significant SIMILARITY OF ALL IRANIANS LIVING IN THE PRESENT BORDERS OF IRAN AS WELL AS SURROUNDING AREAS (East Turkey, North azarbaijan, Afghanistan, east Pakistan, etc.).

See this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples

NB: I havent read all whats written in this site, any ambiguity pls write.

iT IS A SURPRIZE TO ME TO FIND OUT THAT THE NAME OF YAZDIGORD ,ANOSHIRVAN,FARHAD,RUSTEM , JEMSHEED,AND AMONG GIRLS SHEREN, GOLNAZ,GOLY,SOZAN,LADAN IS SO POPULER AMONG THE KURDS IN TURKEY . YOU ARE ALMOST 70% RIGHT IF YOU TURN TO ONE OF THEM A SAY HI FARHAD AND BE SHURE RIGHT.

THE SAME THING HAPPNING IN SYRIA AND IRAQ .
When a father name his darling little daughter ,or new born son after some one ,it tells how dear to him that some one.

Now like talk DNA it is found that the entire europian population are borne out ten man,five of them comes from M.E. and the other from Russia,

The other thing is that human DNA and the Oak tree are 90% close ,the figure for monkey was much higher.
It is the feelig that count most ,how some one feels about a tribe or a nation has alot to do with his, or her social conditions: Economics,Freedom,Safety,and educations etc..
In Turkey almost universally accepted that Mustafa Kemal could not be A turk ,but his feeling was very much Turks for what ever reason.

DNA has become the new source of academic gamemanship and a source of income too .It is the newest toy in the world of politics and anthropology .When Politics steps in like every thing else they ruin it ,what ever that subject may be.

Going to istanbul you will see all faces of the Bolkan Population ,with some luck you may face a Turkic face and so it is same in Ezmir,Zingoldag ,Bursa.Handsome yes,turks abosolutely no

Azeri Turks who are posting here are talking nonsense as usual. One is Azeri Turk from Khorasan with "blond hair". Another talks about humanity. Another talks about civil war. Another about "we are all Iranians" whatever that means!!!.

Azeri Turks are Azeri Turks and you can not change your identity with fraud.

Anatolian Turks are Anatolian turks. They are not Kurds or people from Balkan. They are the relatives of Azeri Turks in Iran.

Clearly Persians are not related to Anatolian Turks. You do not have to be genuis to know that. Azeri Turks are related to anatolian turks.

There is no ethnic group called "Iranian" in Iran. Nationals of Iran are called Iranian.

My name is Persian. I am not Oslonor. I suggest you discuss the issues and not attacking third persons.

Persian wrote:

My name is Persian. I am not Oslonor. I suggest you discuss the issues and not attacking third persons.

I am on point.

You are the one diverting the issues. Answer me:

Where in the genetic report mentions in difference between Iranian people including Azaries?

Proof that Asho Zartosht was born in MAZAR SHARIF!!! as you falsly claim.

I want straight answers to these points you raised.

Zoarastra according to Wikpedia:

It is fair to say that Zoroaster lived in the northeastern area of ancient Persian territory. The Greeks refer to him as a Bactrian (present-day Afghanistan) because this is where he preached his religion. His wife was named Hv&#333;vi, and they had three daughters, Freni, Pourucista and Triti, and three sons, Isat Vastar, Uruvat-Nara and Hvare Ci&#952;ra. His mother was Dughdova; his father was Pourushaspa Spit&#257;ma, son of Haecadaspa Spit&#257;ma. His illumination from Ahura Mazd&#257; came at age 30. His first converts were his wife and children, and a cousin named Maidhyoimangha.

One theory he was born in Mazar Sharif. Another theory is he was born in Bactria in Afghanistan.