U.S. reactions to Iran's nuclear threat.

AIDS relief for America, money poured down black crack holes and San Fransissyco.

Well WE do flowke up some countries but NOT all, WE did well in Europe.
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they still our friends, well except the french._-_:-)

Tony wrote:

In the State of the Union address of 1954, which Dwight Eisenhower delivered less than a year after he had secretly ordered the C.I.A. to overthrow Tehran’s left-leaning government, he celebrated “the forces of stability and freedom” at work in Iran.
And look at Iran today after America screwed it up Iran. America screwed up Iraq and look at Iraq now in the middle of a war and we want to screw up other countries still.

Dingo wrote:

Well WE do flowke up some countries but NOT all, WE did well in Europe.
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they still our friends, well except the french._-_:-)
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Yes you are right but we have screwed up a lot of countries. We need to stop these wars and being the world police. We are broke and can not afford all these bases all over the world and the massive defense and military we have.

That is why I voted for GW Bush the first time around, when he said he is "Not into Nation building" and WTF did he do, he wen't "Nation Building".
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About the Bases overseas, as a retired AF Veteran, I agree with you, at one time they were needed when the "Cold War" was in existance. It's over with.
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Are there other threats sure, and Obama is looking at a different threat, "China" that is why his policy has shifted to Asia, should we build massive bases... in Asia...I don't know.
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WE probably won't be welcomed in Asia as the Europeans welcomed us.
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just recently I read where the Marines is getting back to their basic function and that is to integrate with the Navy and practice what Marines do, which is a good thing.
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So things are changing, many of the old generals are still set in that Cold War mentality.
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Tony wrote:

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Yes you are right but we have screwed up a lot of countries. We need to stop these wars and being the world police. We are broke and can not afford all these bases all over the world and the massive defense and military we have.

Mi_nina wrote:

What I find so interesting is, the goverment of Iran is the one that keeps talking about war and making nuke threats at other nations. The USA keeps saying we are not primarily wanting war, we would of course strike back if we are attacked...but we are not the ones talking aggression here, Iran is....

Are you kidding me?

This whole entire thing started when Bush gave them the Axis of Evil speech (after of course they offered to help us in Afganistan). They have NEVER threatened to nuke anyone let alon attack anyon unless first attacked...we on the other hand have been saying "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran for quite some time.

what nuclear threat???

Dingo wrote:

That is why I voted for GW Bush the first time around, when he said he is "Not into Nation building" and WTF did he do, he wen't "Nation Building".
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About the Bases overseas, as a retired AF Veteran, I agree with you, at one time they were needed when the "Cold War" was in existance. It's over with.
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Are there other threats sure, and Obama is looking at a different threat, "China" that is why his policy has shifted to Asia, should we build massive bases... in Asia...I don't know.
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WE probably won't be welcomed in Asia as the Europeans welcomed us.
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just recently I read where the Marines is getting back to their basic function and that is to integrate with the Navy and practice what Marines do, which is a good thing.
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So things are changing, many of the old generals are still set in that Cold War mentality.
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Yes I agree with you.

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Oct 31, 2008 ... 2008 Presidential Candidate Ralph Nader discusses John McCain and Israel's bombing in the U.S.S. Liberty. From The Forum Auditorium,...

http://www.youtube.com/watch... - 126k -

rider wrote:

McCain and Israel's Bombing of the U.S.S. Liberty - YouTube
Oct 31, 2008 ... 2008 Presidential Candidate Ralph Nader discusses John McCain and Israel's bombing in the U.S.S. Liberty. From The Forum Auditorium,...
http://www.youtube.com/watch... - 126k -

You idiot reposting yet again??? THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR IGNORANT LEFT WING BLOGS!! What the hell has this got to do with U.S. reactions to Iran's nuclear threat? Hey dufus get a life and STOP posting this ignorant nonsense!

rider wrote:

McCain and Israel's Bombing of the U.S.S. Liberty - YouTube
Oct 31, 2008 ... 2008 Presidential Candidate Ralph Nader discusses John McCain and Israel's bombing in the U.S.S. Liberty. From The Forum Auditorium,...
http://www.youtube.com/watch... - 126k -

The Israeli pilots were asked to make an identification of the ship and if it had a U.S. flag!! The answer was negative!!! Read the transcripts moron!!

http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/liberty.pdf

The Neocons’ Big Iran Lie

The right-wing hawks who thought Iraq would be a cakewalk think it'd be easy to attack Iran. Real soldiers say no.

"In February 2003, less than a month before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, Gen. Eric Shinseki told a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee that “Something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers” would be required to occupy Iraq in order to stabilize it in the wake of an invasion.

What quickly followed is well known. Several days later, in what journalist James Fallows called “probably the most direct public dressing-down of a military officer, a four-star general, by a civilian superior since Harry Truman and Douglas MacArthur, 50 years ago,” Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz called Shinseki’s estimate “wildly off the mark,” and said that “it’s hard to conceive that it would take more forces to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq than it would take to conduct the war itself.”

The cavalier dismissal by civilian officials and conservative pundits of military analysts’ predictions of the likely consequences of the Iraq war was symbolic of the entire hubristic enterprise. Over $800 billion and tens of thousands of civilian casualties later, the idea that America can deal with its problems and create specific outcomes simply through the application of its considerable military might is rightly understood as a mirage.

Fortunately, when it comes to the challenge posed by Iraq’s neighbor Iran, the current administration has shown itself to be far more reality-based. But this hasn’t stopped many pundits from making similar calls for military action, though now thankfully doing so from outside the halls of power. As with Iraq, these calls for action are couched in the rosiest of post-strike scenarios, which fly in the face of what a preponderance of military and civilian analysts have predicted would have extraordinarily negative consequences.

The latest upsurge in calls for military action against Iran began with a piece in Foreign Affairs by Matthew Kroenig, a former analyst at the Pentagon and fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, titled “Time to Attack Iran.” The U.S. should carry out limited strikes on Iran’s key nuclear facilities, Kroenig argued, and could “reduce the political fallout of military action by building global support for it in advance.”“By building such a consensus in the lead-up to an attack and taking the outlined steps to mitigate it once it began,” Kroenig wrote,“the United States could avoid an international crisis and limit the scope of the conflict.”

The Internet quickly worked its magic, as numerous writers dismantled the elements of Kroenig’s argument. Among the most effective and devastating rebuttals came from Kroenig’s own former Pentagon boss, Colin Kahl, who wrote that Kroenig’s “picture of a clean, calibrated conflict is a mirage. Any war with Iran would be a messy and extraordinarily violent affair, with significant casualties and consequences.”

Regardless of its weaknesses, Kroenig’s piece opened the floodgates to calls for military action against Iran. Indeed, in a great demonstration of the Overton Window theory, many advocates of war have suggested that Kroenig did not go far enough, and that we should not settle for less than the end of the Islamic Republic of Iran...."

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/10/the_neocons_b...

The neocons & Israel Firsters, including Fox News & Co, have co-ordinated a massive echo chamber campaign using the media and bloggers to attack this Salon article.