Iceland: Life on global war...

Waz wrote:

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Good thing I have the internet I now know what a LIP is, they did cause mass extinctions but not that way as far as I can tell. As a matter of fact it seems they caused mass extinctions by affecting climate via the amount of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. I find this disturbing. Do you have any information that prove that volcanoes are influencing climate by directly heating the atmosphere or the sea specifically now? It sounds like an ad-hoc theory just made up by you. Again I find the idea silly.

The geological record shows that the oceanic anoxia and marine extinctions occurred BEFORE the rapid increase in atmospheric CO2 so increased GHGs was not the main event in the extinctions.

It seems that the massive LIPs heated substantial amounts of seawater [ocean temperatures rose about 6 C over the period] as well as releasing massive amounts of methane - both thermogenic in origin and from hydrates. Increased magmatism WAS the proximal cause and, as usual, CO2 increases followed.

As I said, I don't know if it has anything to do with our current AGW debate but it gives more questions as to the amount of any direct role of CO2 forcing.

JRS wrote:

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"Those glaciers are millions of gallons of fresh water that we won't see again for thousands of years."
Wrong:
Those glaciers WERE millions of gallons of FROZEN water that WAS NOT AVAILABLE FOR thousands of years.

Where do you suppose most rivers get their water?

Abbey Yoyo wrote:

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Where do you suppose most rivers get their water?

Not Glaciers.

"These claims are incredible for many reasons," said Competitive Enterprise Institute Senior Fellow Marlo Lewis. "First, the water supply doesn't come from the glaciers. It is not glacial melt that feeds local water supplies, but the melt from annual snowfall. Annual snowfall is increasing in the region.

"Second, it seems that no matter what happens in the world, it is always claimed that global warming is to blame and that the change will be for the worse," Lewis added. "That speaks to an agenda that will be asserted regardless of what happens in the real world."
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm...

For four months, the Amazon is hit by torrential rain, yet even some of the highest rainfall on Earth does not alone explain the 30 to 45 foot upsurge in the water level. The answer lies 2,000 miles to the west, in the Andes reservoir of ice.

The mountains' seasonal snowmelt creates a force 12 times more powerful than the Mississsippi. Each second, seven million cubic feet cascade from its slopes.

As the snowmelt fills the Amazon and rain falls, water swallows up tens of millions of acres of rainforest.
http://www.pbs.org/journeyintoamazonia/waterw...

JRS wrote:

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Not Glaciers.
"These claims are incredible for many reasons," said Competitive Enterprise Institute Senior Fellow Marlo Lewis. "First, the water supply doesn't come from the glaciers. It is not glacial melt that feeds local water supplies, but the melt from annual snowfall. Annual snowfall is increasing in the region.

Marlo Lewis is very wrong.

Annual snowfall melts very quickly and by summer there is no more snow to melt, just when you need more water the most.

Glaciers on the otherhand don't run in summer and keep producing water for the duration.

Of course if the glaciers are losing more ice in summer than they gain during the winter then over many years they will receed with the possibility of them eventually disapearing altogher.

You will see this unfold in the news over coming decades when glaciers disapear in key regions that require them as a summer water source.

Cthulhu wrote:

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Marlo Lewis is very wrong.
Annual snowfall melts very quickly and by summer there is no more snow to melt, just when you need more water the most.
Glaciers on the otherhand don't run in summer and keep producing water for the duration.
Of course if the glaciers are losing more ice in summer than they gain during the winter then over many years they will receed with the possibility of them eventually disapearing altogher.
You will see this unfold in the news over coming decades when glaciers disapear in key regions that require them as a summer water source.

Show us oh wise one. Where the civilization is that bellies up to the glacial melt water trough? Be prepared to give specifics lest we all laugh at you. The United States? Europe? Asia? Australia? South America?

South Asia and South America in particular.

http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2007/0216am...
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...
http://www.relocalize.net/node/897

Here's a more detailed link about a particular location:
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUN...

Cthulhu wrote:

South Asia and South America in particular.
http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2007/0216am...
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...
http://www.relocalize.net/node/897

I laugh. You can't produce AGW crisis peddler alarmists predictions as “proof“ that people rely on glaciers for water. Produce a city public works web site that requests a tax plan for upgrading the "glacier water" purification plant. Don't be an idiot, and do similar to producing a claim from the Elvis is still alive fan club president as "proof" that he is still alive!

Not proof, pointers for your continued education.

Your response is that of an insane man. "City public works website that requests a tax plan"? What are you smoking?

Here's a US city that gets almost half it's drinking water from a nearby glacier:
http://bcn.boulder.co.us/basin/learning/suppl...

Cthulhu_ wrote:

Not proof, pointers for your continued education.
Your response is that of an insane man. "City public works website that requests a tax plan"? What are you smoking?
Here's a US city that gets almost half it's drinking water from a nearby glacier:
http://bcn.boulder.co.us/basin/learning/suppl...

The great world civilization of Boulder is threatened by global warming (according to the AGW crisis peddlers)
I continue to laugh at your phony cries of global doom.

http://news.mongabay.com/2005/1116-ucsd.html

"In the looming future, global warming will reduce glaciers and storage packs of snow in regions around the world, causing water shortages and other problems that will impact millions of people. That is the conclusion of researchers at Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California , San Diego, and the University of Washington in a review paper published in the November 17 issue of the journal Nature.


In analyzing several scenarios, Scripps Institution’s Tim Barnett, and Jennifer Adam and Dennis Lettenmaier of the University of Washington, show that human-produced greenhouse gases, and the resulting warmer climates they produce, will have a significant influence on ice- and snow-dependent regions and will result in costly disruptions to water supply and resource management systems.

In fact, the authors argue that their predictions and observations 'portend important issues for the water resources of a substantial fraction of the world’s population.'"...

Abbey Yoyo wrote:

http://news.mongabay.com/2005/ 1116-ucsd.html
"In the looming future, global warming will reduce glaciers and storage packs of snow in regions around the world, causing water shortages and other problems that will impact millions of people. That is the conclusion of researchers at Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California , San Diego, and the University of Washington in a review paper published in the November 17 issue of the journal Nature.
In analyzing several scenarios, Scripps Institution’s Tim Barnett, and Jennifer Adam and Dennis Lettenmaier of the University of Washington, show that human-produced greenhouse gases, and the resulting warmer climates they produce, will have a significant influence on ice- and snow-dependent regions and will result in costly disruptions to water supply and resource management systems.
In fact, the authors argue that their predictions and observations 'portend important issues for the water resources of a substantial fraction of the world’s population.'"...

Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back

Tuesday, February 19, 2008

Are the world's ice caps melting because of climate change, or are the reports just a lot of scare mongering by the advocates of the global warming theory?

Scare mongering appears to be the case, according to reports from the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) that reveal that almost all the allegedly “lost” ice has come back. A NOAA report shows that ice levels which had shrunk from 5 million square miles in January 2007 to just 1.5 million square miles in October, are almost back to their original levels.

Moreover, a Feb. 18 report in the London Daily Express showed that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than usual, challenging the global warming crusaders and buttressing arguments of skeptics who deny that the world is undergoing global warming.

The Daily express recalls the photograph of polar bears clinging on to a melting iceberg which has been widely hailed as proof of the need to fight climate change and has been used by former Vice President Al Gore during his "Inconvenient Truth" lectures about mankind’s alleged impact on the global climate.

Gore fails to mention that the photograph was taken in the month of August when melting is normal. Or that the polar bear population has soared in recent years.

As winter roars in across the Northern Hemisphere, Mother Nature seems to have joined the ranks of the skeptics.

As the Express notes, scientists are saying the northern Hemisphere has endured its coldest winter in decades, adding that snow cover across the area is at its greatest since 1966. The newspaper cites the one exception — Western Europe, which had, until the weekend when temperatures plunged to as low as -10 C in some places, been basking in unseasonably warm weather.

Around the world, vast areas have been buried under some of the heaviest snowfalls in decades. Central and southern China, the United States, and Canada were hit hard by snowstorms. In China, snowfall was so heavy that over 100,000 houses collapsed under the weight of snow.

Jerusalem, Damascus, Amman, and northern Saudi Arabia report the heaviest falls in years and below-zero temperatures. In Afghanistan, snow and freezing weather killed 120 people. Even Baghdad had a snowstorm, the first in the memory of most residents..........
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/global_warmi...

JRS wrote:

Yea baby we need to return Iceland to - ice. You know, the good old days.
"Alcoholics Anonymous World Headquarters has compiled AA group membership data in countries around the world. In 1991 (the last year for which data were kept), the western country with the fewest AA groups per capita was Portugal, with 0.6 groups per million population.
The highest was Iceland, with almost 800 groups per million."
http://www.peele.net/lib/sociocul.html
Apparently they think they have a problem.
Yea, we sure don't want to get that evil warming and then go ouside and do stuff, you know, besides drink.
LONG LIVE ICE-LAND and Ice House beer!

People who live near or in the arctic circle have drinking problems. Probably has something to do with the midnight sun and sleeping problems.

Abbey Yoyo wrote:

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People who live near or in the arctic circle have drinking problems. Probably has something to do with the midnight sun and sleeping problems.

Alcoholism has a genetic component and a lot of people think that northern Europeans are particularly susceptible, along with various indigeounous peoples who weren't exposed to alcohol before the past few generations.

You could be right about latitude though, because alcoholism can be a self-medication type of response to depression, and depression is linked to inadequate light.

Whatever the reasons are, booze sure fogs up a lot of lives, and some of the best people.

Bill wrote:

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Alcoholism has a genetic component and a lot of people think that northern Europeans are particularly susceptible, along with various indigeounous peoples who weren't exposed to alcohol before the past few generations.
You could be right about latitude though, because alcoholism can be a self-medication type of response to depression, and depression is linked to inadequate light.
Whatever the reasons are, booze sure fogs up a lot of lives, and some of the best people.

Finns have one of the world's highest alcoholism rates. Might it have to do with the latitude or is it genetic?

If you ask me, I'd say it has to do with too many long, cold nights with nothing to do. It sure would drive me stir-crazy. That's why I [and many Finns who couldn't take it anymore] live in Florida.

Coolmind wrote:

its real and human caused... and doof can see that!

"What's it like being a doof?????? you obviously have never studied the history of the world.....I mean the total history......

I wonder what it's like being a doofus???? the person has obviously never studied the history of the world...(way beyond the B.C.- A.D. era)