Iceland: Life on global war...

its real and human caused... and doof can see that!

Yea baby we need to return Iceland to - ice. You know, the good old days.

"Alcoholics Anonymous World Headquarters has compiled AA group membership data in countries around the world. In 1991 (the last year for which data were kept), the western country with the fewest AA groups per capita was Portugal, with 0.6 groups per million population.

The highest was Iceland, with almost 800 groups per million."
http://www.peele.net/lib/sociocul.html

Apparently they think they have a problem.

Yea, we sure don't want to get that evil warming and then go ouside and do stuff, you know, besides drink.

LONG LIVE ICE-LAND and Ice House beer!

Coolmind wrote:

its real and human caused... and doof can see that!

so, you really think that geothermal springs are caused by CO2? you are one seriously batty imbecile.

speaking of batty imbecile... where do you get the idea hot springs are caused by CO2... sorry, Mrs. Gribblets, but they are caused by water exposed to rock heated by magma. But the ancient ice of Iceland is melting due to higher atmospheric temps, due to too much human dumped CO2 into the air. You see, THAT is what is causing global warming, not hot springs! You bloody goose, you!

Coolmind wrote:

speaking of batty imbecile... where do you get the idea hot springs are caused by CO2... sorry, Mrs. Gribblets, but they are caused by water exposed to rock heated by magma. But the ancient ice of Iceland is melting due to higher atmospheric temps, due to too much human dumped CO2 into the air. You see, THAT is what is causing global warming, not hot springs! You bloody goose, you!

I have heard there is global warming on Mars,who is causing that ol wise one?

who cares? Stick to the topic. Humans have dumpted 500 billion extra tons of CO2 into the air in the lst 100 yrs. the southern oceans have absorbed all they can... corals are bleaching out... ancient ice is melting

We overfishing the oceans leading to large blooms of jellies. There is an area north of Hawaii the size of Texas that is just garbage floating in the ocean. We have poisoned the biosphere so badly that we cannot eat large fish more than once a month, and polar bears that don't live near big industrial areas still have deadly poisons in their body fat. GLobal warming comes and goes, but the poisons we have made will go on.

JRS wrote:

Yea baby we need to return Iceland to - ice. You know, the good old days.
"Alcoholics Anonymous World Headquarters has compiled AA group membership data in countries around the world. In 1991 (the last year for which data were kept), the western country with the fewest AA groups per capita was Portugal, with 0.6 groups per million population.
The highest was Iceland, with almost 800 groups per million."
http://www.peele.net/lib/sociocul.html

People that live in or near the arctic circle develop sleep problems with that midnight sun. It just doesn't mix with the demands of the modern world. And young people who like to party can party far longer than they should with all that light in the sky. The U.S. has a huge alcohol and drug problem and we're not near the arctic circle, so what's our excuse?

Abbey Yoyo wrote:

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People that live in or near the arctic circle develop sleep problems with that midnight sun. It just doesn't mix with the demands of the modern world. And young people who like to party can party far longer than they should with all that light in the sky. The U.S. has a huge alcohol and drug problem and we're not near the arctic circle, so what's our excuse?

Isn't it obvious? Global warming of course. It is to blame for everything. We need to return to giant ice sheets covering North America. Then the U.S. would not have a huge alcohol and drug problem.

"Al Gore, who is panicking over the possibility that we may soon lose Glacier National Park in Montana because the ice is melting.

One hates to tell him that we've already lost the glacier that used to cover the whole country.

Perhaps he'll want to start working for new regulations from the Interior Department to begin immediately restoring this lost historical environmental treasure. Re-establishing a sheet of ice covering the entire continent would certainly serve to stop mining, timber cutting and urban sprawl.

The truth is, someday humans may be able to take tropical vacations at the North Pole - and it will be perfectly natural.

Yet our world is being flooded with the dire predictions of Global Warming.
http://www.americanpolicy.org/un/thereisnoglo...

JRS wrote:

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"Al Gore, who is panicking over the possibility that we may soon lose Glacier National Park in Montana because the ice is melting.
One hates to tell him that we've already lost the glacier that used to cover the whole country.

Those glaciers are millions of gallons of fresh water that we won't see again for thousands of years. Water is a huge issue in many parts of the world. California is already recycling waste water.
The idea of vacationing at the north pole won't be such a great idea since there is no land there. There may not be many animals to eat either or fruits and veggies if most of N. Am is a desert.

Abbey Yoyo wrote:

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Those glaciers are millions of gallons of fresh water that we won't see again for thousands of years. Water is a huge issue in many parts of the world. California is already recycling waste water.
The idea of vacationing at the north pole won't be such a great idea since there is no land there. There may not be many animals to eat either or fruits and veggies if most of N. Am is a desert.

"Those glaciers are millions of gallons of fresh water that we won't see again for thousands of years."

Wrong:

Those glaciers WERE millions of gallons of FROZEN water that WAS NOT AVAILABLE FOR thousands of years.

It seems that the sea around Iceland is being heated geothermically.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/pf/52...
Giant Undersea Volcano Found Off Iceland

A giant and unusual underwater volcano lies just offshore of Iceland on the Reykjanes Ridge, volcanologists have announced.

The Reykjanes formation is a section of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, which bisects the Atlantic Ocean where the North American and Eurasian tectonic plates are pulling apart.

The structure turned out to be an active volcano that rises about 3,300 feet (1,000 meters) above the surrounding sections of the ridge, coming within 1,300 feet (400 meters) of the surface.

At its base the volcano is approximately 30 miles (50 kilometers) across. The peak contains a depression known as a caldera that is 6 miles (10 kilometers) wide.

The Truth Matters wrote:

It seems that the sea around Iceland is being heated geothermically.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/pf/52...
Giant Undersea Volcano Found Off Iceland
A giant and unusual underwater volcano lies just offshore of Iceland on the Reykjanes Ridge, volcanologists have announced.
The Reykjanes formation is a section of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, which bisects the Atlantic Ocean where the North American and Eurasian tectonic plates are pulling apart.
The structure turned out to be an active volcano that rises about 3,300 feet (1,000 meters) above the surrounding sections of the ridge, coming within 1,300 feet (400 meters) of the surface.
At its base the volcano is approximately 30 miles (50 kilometers) across. The peak contains a depression known as a caldera that is 6 miles (10 kilometers) wide.

how much energy does this volcanic formation put into the sea compared to the energy that a warmer atmosphere is contributing and is this newly discovered volcano in fact new?

I bet its a negligible amount of heat.

Clutch at straws much?

Waz wrote:

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how much energy does this volcanic formation put into the sea compared to the energy that a warmer atmosphere is contributing and is this newly discovered volcano in fact new?
I bet its a negligible amount of heat.
Clutch at straws much?

Indeed, it turns out the water in the kettle is warmed because the kettle is near a radiatior, but it always has been and I don't think that heat source explains how the water boiled just now.

Waz wrote:

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how much energy does this volcanic formation put into the sea compared to the energy that a warmer atmosphere is contributing and is this newly discovered volcano in fact new?
I bet its a negligible amount of heat.
Clutch at straws much?

Who knows. We didn't even know it even existed until just recently. Not clutching at straws. Just commenting on previously unknown submarine heat sources. A slightly warmer atmosphere doesn't heat the ocean near as much as multiple direct heat sources. It is something new to consider in ocean heating equations.

It seems we are finding new ones every day. Newest estimates are up to 3 million active submarine volcanoes. That doesn't even include the active volcanic spreading ridges. Each one on their own may be a mostly negligible amount of heat but, add them all up and you are starting to talk about a lot of heat heating up the deep ocean. Just wait until a new submarine LIP lets loose. Then you'll get the rapid and extensive warming of some of the previous mass extinction periods. They started in the seas first.

The Truth Matters wrote:

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Who knows. We didn't even know it even existed until just recently. Not clutching at straws. Just commenting on previously unknown submarine heat sources. A slightly warmer atmosphere doesn't heat the ocean near as much as multiple direct heat sources. It is something new to consider in ocean heating equations.
It seems we are finding new ones every day. Newest estimates are up to 3 million active submarine volcanoes. That doesn't even include the active volcanic spreading ridges. Each one on their own may be a mostly negligible amount of heat but, add them all up and you are starting to talk about a lot of heat heating up the deep ocean. Just wait until a new submarine LIP lets loose. Then you'll get the rapid and extensive warming of some of the previous mass extinction periods. They started in the seas first.

You are so wrong in so many ways its hard to know where to start.

The original article was about changes in Iceland's climate right?

Your addressing the original article or are you just going off on a tangent?

Because your suggesting that this newly discovered submarine volcano is suddenly emitting enough energy into the water to change the climate in Iceland.

You cite a study but the study doesn't mention that the volcano is emitting enough heat to do that. So as far as I know the idea is entirely your own.

Do undersea volcanoes affect the sea temperature that way? if they did it would be easily proved I know with geothermal vents the sea temperature is normal just yards away from them.

Quite frankly I find the idea absurd and I wonder what you hoped to accomplish by introducing it. In my eyes it seriously undermines your credibility.

Volcanos aren't exactly new to Iceland. Here's a fairly spectacular 1973 eruption.
http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/volc_images/eur...

Another from 2004
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/398...

Icelanders know all about the volcanic nature of their island; they don't need you to point it out to them. According to the article, the Icelanders find that their climate, like other northern climates, is changing due to global warming.

Waz wrote:

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You are so wrong in so many ways its hard to know where to start.
The original article was about changes in Iceland's climate right?
Your addressing the original article or are you just going off on a tangent?
Because your suggesting that this newly discovered submarine volcano is suddenly emitting enough energy into the water to change the climate in Iceland.
You cite a study but the study doesn't mention that the volcano is emitting enough heat to do that. So as far as I know the idea is entirely your own.
Do undersea volcanoes affect the sea temperature that way? if they did it would be easily proved I know with geothermal vents the sea temperature is normal just yards away from them.
Quite frankly I find the idea absurd and I wonder what you hoped to accomplish by introducing it. In my eyes it seriously undermines your credibility.

Nah, just going off on a tangent. It really has nothing to do with Iceland, per se.

However, one of the main causes of many of the past mass extinctions has been LIPs, especially submarine LIPS rapidly warming the seas. Any large increase in submarine volcanism in an area can have the same, albeit smaller, effect including the release of stores of methane hydrates.

Many geothermal vents don't put out too much heat very far from their source but, then again, I'm talking about smaller vents like black smokers. However, a large, growing caldera can have an effect on sea temperatures in a much larger area.

More CO2 is good. It makes plants and animals healthier. That being said, going green is also good. Less REAL pollution and more efficient use of everything

The Truth Matters wrote:

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Nah, just going off on a tangent. It really has nothing to do with Iceland, per se.
However, one of the main causes of many of the past mass extinctions has been LIPs, especially submarine LIPS rapidly warming the seas. Any large increase in submarine volcanism in an area can have the same, albeit smaller, effect including the release of stores of methane hydrates.
Many geothermal vents don't put out too much heat very far from their source but, then again, I'm talking about smaller vents like black smokers. However, a large, growing caldera can have an effect on sea temperatures in a much larger area.

Good thing I have the internet I now know what a LIP is, they did cause mass extinctions but not that way as far as I can tell. As a matter of fact it seems they caused mass extinctions by affecting climate via the amount of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. I find this disturbing. Do you have any information that prove that volcanoes are influencing climate by directly heating the atmosphere or the sea specifically now? It sounds like an ad-hoc theory just made up by you. Again I find the idea silly.