Spanish police seize 2nd vessel belonging to Florida shipwreck ...

The US should send the fleet to take care of the Spanish. PIRACY, is the word by the mainly corrupt GUARDIA CIViL,who incidently earn their income from fines from the common road user. Bad enough with the car driver. Treasure?? I bet they couldn't wait to get their greedy corrupt( Have I said that already)paws on the boat.If they can't get any meaningful cash for themselves, they'll beat up the crew.This is the sane bunch as the bandits that tried in vain to get the FALKLAND Islands. They only know strength, don't waste words on them,send a cruise missle to the moncloa palace, Mr, Bean( Zapatero) will soon surrender.( This is the guy that would'nt stand -up fot the stars and stripes at his inaugaration.

Miguel Sanchez wrote:

The US should send the fleet to take care of the Spanish. PIRACY, is the word by the mainly corrupt GUARDIA CIViL,who incidently earn their income from fines from the common road user. Bad enough with the car driver. Treasure?? I bet they couldn't wait to get their greedy corrupt( Have I said that already)paws on the boat.If they can't get any meaningful cash for themselves, they'll beat up the crew.This is the sane bunch as the bandits that tried in vain to get the FALKLAND Islands. They only know strength, don't waste words on them,send a cruise missle to the moncloa palace, Mr, Bean( Zapatero) will soon surrender.( This is the guy that would'nt stand -up fot the stars and stripes at his inaugaration.

In order to demonstrate parties in marine salvage cases need to proceed with extreme suspicion over any “expert’ witness deemed “highly credible” before the United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida, I recently forwarded Spain’s new minister of Culture, Caesar Antonio Molina with pleadings from Petranos v. The Vessel Mistress Case No. 8:04-CV-2534-T-27EAJ.

In Petranos v. The Vessel Mistress, Honorable James D. Whittemore found as highly "credible," Theron Hutto, a perjuring witness who claimed to possess “unlimited ocean masters licenses” in the United States and the United Kingdom. Judge Whittemore refused to allow opposing counsel’s repeated demands the perjurer present his licenses in open Court.

After granting full custody of the arrested vessel to Mr. Hutto,(thereby allowing the vessel to leave the jurisdiction), it was later discovered Mr. Hutto held no licenses whatsoever, and was employed as the roast beef carver on a local casino boat.

Predictably, Judge Whittemore allowed the perjurer Hutto to walk scot-free.

In a Court of Admiralty, a person who commits perjury in open court to take custody of a vessel or its appurtenances is no different than a pirate.

Regarding Odyssey Explorer, this recent act by Spain is in my opinion a very prudent move, demonstrating they possess centuries' more experience in admiralty salvage jurisprudence than the United States.

They do not want to be the victim of another perjurer such as "Joe Hutto" as demonstrated in Petranos v. Mistress.

In Spain, people who commit perjury in Admiralty Court over material issues (such as the true origin of the silver coins) are usually sentenced to life in prison.

It's very clear Spain has the good sense to:
(1) not buy into Odyssey's claims;
(2) not trust the Middle District of Florida to deal apropriately with "expert" witnesses who are later prover to be perjurers.

FYI, Fowler-White represented the side that proffered the perjured testimony in Petranos v. Mistress. Fowler-White also represents Odyssey Explorer. Go figure ...

I don't believe y'all are from around here!

Doesn't matter whether you believe.

The Internet as well as unredressed Injustices and those with an aversion of the essence of certain persons to the point they will disregard PERJURY and the conflict of laws to fashion a "new wave"-twist to centuries of established admiralty jurisprudence are their own cause of the message traveling the World.

And, there is the matter of patterns and practices. Re: the Spellisy supporters who really need to read this "Spanish police seize 2nd vessel belonging to Florida shipwreck ..." thread. A lot of commonalities, modus operandi --

I'm just sayin ...

for one, trivializing PERJURY.

And, here's another commonality:

1. Same Judge who sentenced Spellisy uttered "Are you blind? to person with autism as the ultimate grounds to allow perjury to be used against her to defeat case ruled meritorious by Federal Magistrate;

2. Same law firm representing Odyssey Explorer upon confrontation with the physical appearances and disability access requirements of the same person with autism, held hands in their Tampa law firm lobby and prayed to God someone else hire the autistic person but not them. A person with autism who earned a joint J.D./M.B.A. and passed the hardest Bar Examination in the Nation.

It seems that facts, the merits of a case, and Justice don't prevail when there exists a deep aversion to the essence of particular persons.

I'm just sayin ...

I BELIEVE wrote:

I don't believe y'all are from around here!

It does not matter where I am from.
What matters is this: when it comes to marine salvage cases, the Middle District Of Florida will allow roast beef carvers to masquerade as cruise ship captains to offer expert testimony to justify orders of custodianship of arrested ships and their cargo.
I suggest you read Petranos v. the Vessel Mistress. When the perjury was finally revealed, the Middle District allowed the masquerading cruise ship captain/perjurer/substitute custodian to walk scot-free.

Spain would have to be nuts to allow this case to move forward in Tampa.

Given the Petranos v. Mistress Case, witnesses for Odyssey Explorer can likely get away with perjury regarding the origin of the sunken treasure or whatever fantasy they wish to conjure up.

As I have stated in an earlier post, Fowler White represented the party proffering key witness perjury in Petranos v. Mistress. Fowler-White is also counsel of record for Odyssey Explorer.

Very eloquently written,my congratulations, However, I doubt it was the consideration of the maritime legalities that my countryman considered, possession being ninetenths of the law is more the case.You, old chap , need to come and live in Spain ,perhaps,where your considered views would no doubt, be very useful.

The Rochesterian wrote:

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In order to demonstrate parties in marine salvage cases need to proceed with extreme suspicion over any “expert’ witness deemed “highly credible” before the United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida, I recently forwarded Spain’s new minister of Culture, Caesar Antonio Molina with pleadings from Petranos v. The Vessel Mistress Case No. 8:04-CV-2534-T-27EAJ.
In Petranos v. The Vessel Mistress, Honorable James D. Whittemore found as highly "credible," Theron Hutto, a perjuring witness who claimed to possess “unlimited ocean masters licenses” in the United States and the United Kingdom. Judge Whittemore refused to allow opposing counsel’s repeated demands the perjurer present his licenses in open Court.
After granting full custody of the arrested vessel to Mr. Hutto,(thereby allowing the vessel to leave the jurisdiction), it was later discovered Mr. Hutto held no licenses whatsoever, and was employed as the roast beef carver on a local casino boat.
Predictably, Judge Whittemore allowed the perjurer Hutto to walk scot-free.
In a Court of Admiralty, a person who commits perjury in open court to take custody of a vessel or its appurtenances is no different than a pirate.
Regarding Odyssey Explorer, this recent act by Spain is in my opinion a very prudent move, demonstrating they possess centuries' more experience in admiralty salvage jurisprudence than the United States.
They do not want to be the victim of another perjurer such as "Joe Hutto" as demonstrated in Petranos v. Mistress.
In Spain, people who commit perjury in Admiralty Court over material issues (such as the true origin of the silver coins) are usually sentenced to life in prison.
It's very clear Spain has the good sense to:
(1) not buy into Odyssey's claims;
(2) not trust the Middle District of Florida to deal apropriately with "expert" witnesses who are later prover to be perjurers.
FYI, Fowler-White represented the side that proffered the perjured testimony in Petranos v. Mistress. Fowler-White also represents Odyssey Explorer. Go figure ...

Miguel Sanchez wrote:

Very eloquently written,my congratulations, However, I doubt it was the consideration of the maritime legalities that my countryman considered, possession being ninetenths of the law is more the case.You, old chap , need to come and live in Spain ,perhaps,where your considered views would no doubt, be very useful.<quoted text>

Miguel, salvage jurisprudence originated from the Spanish courts of Admiralty. I am confident the Spanish authorities will not leave unredressed possession of arrested cargo in the U.S., predicated on testimony proffered in a jurisdiction that lets perjurers go scot-free.

In Petanos v. Mistress, the perjurer was a roast beef carver who masqueraded as a cruise ship captain for the sole purpose of gaining custody of the arrested vessel and its cargo. In sum, the perjury switched the possession of vessel and cargo from one party of the case to the other.

In the end, the perjurer and the law firm that supported his side, Fowler White, walked scot-free.

Fowler White is the attorney representing Odyssey Explorer. Spain is not buying into the testimony Fowler-White proffers to retain the arrested cargo.

Moreover, I can assure you Spain is not amused with the unredressed perjury in Petranos v. Mistress.

Rochesterian, I think you hit on quite a point.

I have my doubts either the Spanish side invoking the maritime laws of Spain or Oddysey Explorer, who are invoking UK/US maritime laws, will come out of this well.

In Petranos v. Mistress, the irrational fears about the plaintiff salvor's autism suffered by both Oddysey Explorer's law firm, Fowler White, and the Mistress Judge resulted in a complete disregard of UK's Cayman Islands shipping laws, thereby serving as a seminal case of admiralty salvage jurisprudence in the Middle District of Florida.

In the Mistress case, despite the Cayman Island shipping laws requiring that a vessel be insured in order for it to be registered to an owner, the person claiming under Verified Claim of Owner (and under Oath) to be the "owner" of Mistress tripped and fall into yet another one of those irreconcileable truthtelling traps when he testified under Oath the vessel was "registered" in the Cayman Islands, yet his own legal counsel represented to the Federal Magistrate the vessel had no insurance.

A legal counsel holding no less than a Third Mate Captain's license, co-counseling with Oddsey Explorer's law firm, Fowler White, who were the side proffering the roast beef carver's admitted and confessed PERJURY that he was an Ocean Unlimited Master who could man any vessel in the United States fleet.

Even after the admitted, confessed PERJURY key witness Theron Hutto for the Mistress side signed a pleading admitting the person claiming ownership of the "registered" Cayman Island vessel that had no insurance (as well as his legal counsel) procured his PERJURY, neither The Florida Bar Tampa Lawyer Regulation Division nor the Mistress Judge did anything whatsoever to dislose and address the who/what/when/why/where/how of this PERJURY but preferred to let the whole sordid affair walk scot free like a parade going by.

"Simply stated, I had no intention of sitting on the bench like a nincompoop and watching the parade go by," United States District Court Judge John Sirica on Watergate.

This is why there are so many similarities with the Spellisy case.

Query the question that has no answer -- why an "Are you blind" utterance about a good faith salvor's autism is more important than the integrity of the Courts and punishing those that commit PERJURY while admitting they did so to protect the "owners" of an unregistered foreign vessel that never reported in to U.S. Customs at port of Tampa under its O' Hare permit to proceed.

Time Magazine named United states District Court Judge John Sirica "Man of the Year," 1973.

Its a shame they don't make Judges like Sirica anymore.

Miguel Sanchez wrote:

The US should send the fleet to take care of the Spanish. PIRACY, is the word by the mainly corrupt GUARDIA CIViL,who incidently earn their income from fines from the common road user. Bad enough with the car driver. Treasure?? I bet they couldn't wait to get their greedy corrupt( Have I said that already)paws on the boat.If they can't get any meaningful cash for themselves, they'll beat up the crew.This is the sane bunch as the bandits that tried in vain to get the FALKLAND Islands. They only know strength, don't waste words on them,send a cruise missle to the moncloa palace, Mr, Bean( Zapatero) will soon surrender.( This is the guy that would'nt stand -up fot the stars and stripes at his inaugaration.

Está bien,¡que nos declaren la guerra otra vez! Esta vez ¡que nos quiten Canarias y las Baleares!

Si ese dinero se fabricó AQUÍ, si el barco que lo contenía se hizo AQUÍ, si las aguas en las que se hundió son las de AQUÍ...

Entonces es NUESTRO tesoro, no suyo.

==

Por otro lado, con una bandera estadounidense yo me limpio el culo. La bandera, la prefiero con tres barras,¿y tú?

Salú.

Los tribunales marítimos aquí en Tampa, Florida toma las palabras de perjuros como verdad. Ellos no castigan el perjurio, aunque descubierto después de hablado bajo el Juramento.

Por lo tanto, ningún testimonio ofreció por Cazador de aves Blanco (Fowler White), los abogados para el Explorador de Oddysey no deben ser creídos.

El Gato wrote:

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Está bien,¡que nos declaren la guerra otra vez! Esta vez ¡que nos quiten Canarias y las Baleares!
Si ese dinero se fabricó AQUÍ, si el barco que lo contenía se hizo AQUÍ, si las aguas en las que se hundió son las de AQUÍ...
Entonces es NUESTRO tesoro, no suyo.
==
Por otro lado, con una bandera estadounidense yo me limpio el culo. La bandera, la prefiero con tres barras,¿y tú?
Salú.

El Gato, most respectfully, could you be so kind to translate your above post into English.

The communications posted here have significant implications on an international level.

I personally understand you message, but for the sake of other readers who do not have the ability to accurately translate, I think it would be more appropriate for you to translate the true meaning of your post, rather than myself.

Likewise, the same goes for "Gulliver's Travels" if you are reading this.

The admiralty courts here in Tampa, Florida take the words of perjurers as truth. They do not punish perjury, even though discovered after spoken under Oath.

Therefore, any testimony proffered by Fowler White, attorneys for Oddysey Explorer should not be believed.

Kindly, what I replied to Miguel was the way I see this: the money was made here, the ship was made here,and the waters in which the ship sunk and stayed were and are under spanish sovereignity.

I say therefore, the treasure is only ours; property of Spain.

El Gato wrote:

Kindly, what I replied to Miguel was the way I see this: the money was made here, the ship was made here,and the waters in which the ship sunk and stayed were and are under spanish sovereignity.
I say therefore, the treasure is only ours; property of Spain.

El Gato, your point is very well taken; however, Spain would be wise to insist proceedings should not be held in the United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida.

Current salvage law according to Petranos v. the Vessel Mistress Case No. 8:04-CV-2534-T-27EAJ (Middle District of Florida) is this: expert testimony based on perjury in a court of admiralty is of no consequence, even when the perjurer masquerades as a cruise ship captain, though in reality, he is a roast-beef carver.

Based on Petranos v. the Vessel Mistress, Spain should insist the existing cargo and salvage proceedings be held in a neutral jurisdiction which complies with established laws pertaining to salvage jurisprudence (forum non conveniens).

Exactly, Rochesterian.

Why would Spain was to (1) lose a meritorious case to the jurisprudential precedent established by Petranos v. Vessel Mistress, and (2) then be assessed huge custodia legis fees upon the party who had the meritorious case -- Spain?

In sum, under the Mistress precedent, the Middle District of Florida financially punishes the ones who had the meritorious case, good faith salvors, who risked their LIVES in saving a vessel.

I vote with Rochesterian -- forum non conveniens. A no brainer.

Corr. "Why would Spain was to" = Why would Spain want to

all this lawyer speak...

AND,,, Gato would like to invite all parties concerned to " The three Bars " Pub, on his account after he's cleaned the bar with a flag,,,, True? You naughty little cat, Castration 4 u soon,,,.,,,,,,

El Gato wrote:

Kindly, what I replied to Miguel was the way I see this: the money was made here, the ship was made here,and the waters in which the ship sunk and stayed were and are under spanish sovereignity.
I say therefore, the treasure is only ours; property of Spain.

miguel sanchez wrote:

AND,,, Gato would like to invite all parties concerned to " The three Bars " Pub, on his account after he's cleaned the bar with a flag,,,, True? You naughty little cat, Castration 4 u soon,,,.,,,,,,
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I'm surprised, I never could have suspected that "Santapolaspain" is a town in Oklahoma...

The Rochester dude and the Gullivers dude are the same persons. FYI, also, it's the same person as David Petrano, who oddly enough, is one of the names mentioned in his statement about the case...Petranos vs. whoever. Coincidence, I think not.

I wonder if there's a law concerning internet behavior about talking about an ongoing case when you're the attorney of record. Very odd. I'm no lawyer though, but I'm sure either one of the people will spell that out for all of us in plain English or Spanish...oh...wait, they won't, it will be spelled in in confusing doublespeak and lawyer talk.

I'm just sayin...