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francisco
Santa Fe, Argentina
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BritBob wrote: As well as having absolutely no legal or moral case to the Falkland Islands Argentine politicians are making complete asses of themselves on the World stage.
The Argentine government is hardly ever going to win the hearts and minds of the Falkland Islanders acting like they do, like bafoons. You should learn to live with the Falkland Islands being British and get on sorting out your domestic politics. La idea de ganar corazones y mentes es propia de naciones conquistadoras y colonizadoras de otros pueblos. Nosotros no pensamos en ese tipo de ideas etnocentricas que los caracterizan a ustedes. Nosotros no queremos conquistar a nadie. Simplemente reclamamos lo que con toda justicia consideramos parte de nuestro país. No queremos nada especial con los isleños. No queremos su amistad o simpatia. No queremos ser sus vecinos. Ellos y lo que ellos piensen o quieran, no es de nuestra incumbencia. Ellos son ciudadanos britanicos. Sus problemas, sus deseos, sus ideas, lo que ellos quieran, son un problema exclusivamente de ellos con UK. Simple....
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francisco
Santa Fe, Argentina
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JEM wrote: How can you answer a question that is based on a complete misunderstanding and misrepresentation of a text that has been clearly pointed out to you. You have got the principle point of the text back to front. The answer to your question is in the text as pointed out to you. Stop being such a blind idiot and read the responses given and the texts provided where it clearly mentions the 1974 date, but its meaning is completely the reverse of the meaning you would love to hold on too.
Give it up my friend you are starting to loose all credibility.
<quoted text> Perder credibilidad?. Cuando me otorgaron alguna aqui?. Por otra parte. Cuando yo les otorgue credibiliadad a los trolls britanicos aqui?. No podes ni sabes responder una simple pregunta porque sos un bueno para nada que ni mentir bien podes hacer. Te doy una ultima oportunidad: Que casos dice UK en los cuales no aceptara la jurisdiccion de la corte a partir del 1 de enero de 1974?. Es una pregunta simple....
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Cami
Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Deanstreet wrote: <quoted text>
Ancestors - maybe they did something to offend your ancestors, but I haven't..
YOU have imprisoned US..
YOU have threatened US with violence..
You have stopped air flights..
You have attempted to stop shipping and trade links to us..
You have demanded many other things...
It's seen that all this is designed to harm us Falkland Islanders, not the UK...
Yet you say you will only talk with the UK and not us..
So with the exception that I happen to live in the Falkland Islands, what have I done to deserve that possible punishment..?
I didn't steal anything in 1833 - how could I?
I wasn't even born that long ago..
Perhaps, you want to punish us for not wanting to annexe ourselves to that great and wondrous country called argentina.
Which incidentally, we see no other country neighbouring you clamouring to do so, so what is good for them might also be good for us..
Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands Hello Deanstreet, I'm an argentine and I want you to know that I don't blame kelpers for the stealing. I actually think that kelpers hasn't been treated with respect. I mean, I don't understand how Cristina Kirchner pretends to get back the Islands when she doesn't respect the people there. That's what I think. People here are really hurted about what happened with the Islands. I'm one of them. But I don't think that hate is the solution. Malvinas are argentine. I have no doubts. I think kelpers should wait a little until Cristina leaves (hope that's soon...) to make a decision. They have to be argentine but kelpers should also be able to live there with the respect you deserve. Kelpèrs are also people. And british are also people. And that's what argentine minds are not thinking. they think from the hate, and they're not being objective. Anyways, british are no saints. The other day, I saw a picture of a cup with a South American map, and Argentina was not there. They changed it for the "Merda Sea". That makes argentine people to hate british. And our goverment is not helping to have a better relation with Great Britain. So it seems like this is never going to end! Let just stop for a second... think... this is stupid. Argentine and british should take a sit and dialog about this. I DO NOT BLAME kelpers. Was the goverments back in time. Margaret Thatcher and Galtieri are guilty. Also the context of both countries are guilty. Greetings from Argentina.
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Cami
Buenos Aires, Argentina
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francisco wrote: <quoted text>
La idea de ganar corazones y mentes es propia de naciones conquistadoras y colonizadoras de otros pueblos.
Nosotros no pensamos en ese tipo de ideas etnocentricas que los caracterizan a ustedes.
Nosotros no queremos conquistar a nadie.
Simplemente reclamamos lo que con toda justicia consideramos parte de nuestro país.
No queremos nada especial con los isleños.
No queremos su amistad o simpatia.
No queremos ser sus vecinos.
Ellos y lo que ellos piensen o quieran, no es de nuestra incumbencia.
Ellos son ciudadanos britanicos.
Sus problemas, sus deseos, sus ideas, lo que ellos quieran, son un problema exclusivamente de ellos con UK.
Simple.... Podés pensar en frío un momento? Si no nos ganamos el respeto/amor/cariño/simpatía de los isleños, no podemos hacer nada! No viste las últimas noticias? Aparentemente, los kelpers deciden. No podemos decirles que nos apoyen si no nos quieren!
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The1goodthingtha tcherdid
Milan, Italy
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Cami wrote: <quoted text>
Podés pensar en frío un momento? Si no nos ganamos el respeto/amor/cariño/simpatía de los isleños, no podemos hacer nada! No viste las últimas noticias? Aparentemente, los kelpers deciden. No podemos decirles que nos apoyen si no nos quieren! Me alegra saber que hay argentinos que piensan como vos. Las Malvinas no deberían de ser una cuestión de vida y muerte para nadie en Argentina, sin respeto no puede haber dialogo.
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Deanstreet
Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
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Cami wrote: <quoted text>
Hello Deanstreet, I'm an argentine and I want you to know that I don't blame kelpers for the stealing. I actually think that kelpers hasn't been treated with respect. I mean, I don't understand how Cristina Kirchner pretends to get back the Islands when she doesn't respect the people there. That's what I think.
People here are really hurted about what happened with the Islands. I'm one of them. But I don't think that hate is the solution. Malvinas are argentine. I have no doubts. I think kelpers should wait a little until Cristina leaves (hope that's soon...) to make a decision. They have to be argentine but kelpers should also be able to live there with the respect you deserve. Kelpèrs are also people. And british are also people. And that's what argentine minds are not thinking. they think from the hate, and they're not being objective.
Anyways, british are no saints. The other day, I saw a picture of a cup with a South American map, and Argentina was not there. They changed it for the "Merda Sea". That makes argentine people to hate british. And our goverment is not helping to have a better relation with Great Britain. So it seems like this is never going to end! Let just stop for a second... think... this is stupid. Argentine and british should take a sit and dialog about this.
I DO NOT BLAME kelpers. Was the goverments back in time. Margaret Thatcher and Galtieri are guilty. Also the context of both countries are guilty.
Greetings from Argentina. "Hello Deanstreet, I'm an argentine and I want you to know that I don't blame kelpers for the stealing.2 What exactly have we stolen..? I have stolen nothing..? Please explain further, or take us to court... "Merda Sea", perhaps you should develop a sense of humour, especially after the "Merda" that has been continuously thrown at us from your locale over the years... Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
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Deanstreet
Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
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Cami wrote: <quoted text>
Podés pensar en frío un momento? Si no nos ganamos el respeto/amor/cariño/simpatía de los isleños, no podemos hacer nada! No viste las últimas noticias? Aparentemente, los kelpers deciden. No podemos decirles que nos apoyen si no nos quieren! cami, I'm all with you except you must remember, we are not argentine, we do not wish to be argentine, and we only wish to live our live IN THE WAY THAT WE WISH, NOT THE WAY THAT SOME BODY ELSE DICTATES.. By the way, very nice to have you on board, and have someone who at the least seems sane and sensible... Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
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francisco
Resistencia, Argentina
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Cami wrote: <quoted text>
Podés pensar en frío un momento? Si no nos ganamos el respeto/amor/cariño/simpatía de los isleños, no podemos hacer nada! No viste las últimas noticias? Aparentemente, los kelpers deciden. No podemos decirles que nos apoyen si no nos quieren! Hace rato que pienso frio. Respeto tu opinion, pero con todo respeto te advierto de un grave peligro: Hace 47 años nos vendieron el cuento de que debiamos ser buenitos y portarnos bien, entonces, si haciamos muy bien los deberes, nos devolvian las islas. Sabes que paso?. Paso que mantuvimos a precio de subsidio, con recursos economicos nuestros, que salieron de nuestro bolsillo, a una colonia britanica que GB jamas. Repito, jamas!. Iba a devolvernos o entregarnos. Los gringos son muchas cosas.... Pero no boludos.... Sus intereses geopóliticos en el area no te los van a dar o ceder gratis. Te recomiendo con la mejor buena onda que aprendas un poco de la historia de este conflicto. Es muy interesante sabes?. Aprendes como actuan las grandes potencias en defensa de sus intereses economicos y estrategicos. Y cuando me refiero a intereses, no me refiero precisamente a derechos. Los derechos son la excusa que usan para tapar finamente sus intereses mezquinos.... Saluditos....
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Deanstreet
Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
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francisco wrote: <quoted text>
Te recomiendo con la mejor buena onda que aprendas un poco de la historia de este conflicto. Es muy interesante sabes?. it would be interesting if you practised what you preached... History... for example, a littlwe secret clause that you say exists, but cannot produce... Come to that neither can the great argentine historians.. Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
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francisco
Resistencia, Argentina
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Deanstreet wrote: <quoted text>
it would be interesting if you practised what you preached...
History... for example, a littlwe secret clause that you say exists, but cannot produce...
Come to that neither can the great argentine historians..
Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands No solo afrimno una vez mas que ya he contyestado miles de veces lo de la bendita clausula, sino que, una vez mas, observo que me critica la misma oveja que jamas probo la relacion familiar entre don Ventura Pazos y Juan Jose Paso. No declaras vos conocer mucho de historia y de ser un estudioso de ella?. Bien.... Mostranos las pruebas sobre don Ventura.... Hace meses que la estamos esperando....
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lincoln ariel
Cordoba, Argentina
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dean:los argentinos no tenemos problemas con los kelpers ,de hecho los consideramos compatriotas ya que son nacido en suelo argentino,y cuando vienen a Argentina continental son tratados como ciudadanos de primera cosa que gran bretaña no te brindaba antes de la guerra ya que no tenias ciudadania britanica y Argentina te proveia de gran parte de tus insumos.EL problema es la presencia ingles que moleta a toda americadel sur,no es bienvenida.LO ideal seria retrotraer la situacion a antes de la guerra(que atraso 100 años las buenas relaciones)y lograr una solucion que contemple a las partes de la controversia y volver a lo que era antes de 1982 cuando ,por ejemplo ,venian kelpers a estudiar aqui en Cordoba al colegio ingles de La Cumbre.Tienen las puertas abiertas para venir cuando quieran,saludos
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Deanstreet
Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
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francisco wrote: <quoted text>
No solo afrimno una vez mas que ya he contyestado miles de veces lo de la bendita clausula, sino que, una vez mas, observo que me critica la misma oveja que jamas probo la relacion familiar entre don Ventura Pazos y Juan Jose Paso.
No declaras vos conocer mucho de historia y de ser un estudioso de ella?.
Bien....
Mostranos las pruebas sobre don Ventura....
Hace meses que la estamos esperando.... Soooooo.... Where is the secret clause that you have been shouting, ranting & raving about...? Come on bigmouth you can't do it... LOL... Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
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MAlvinero1
Thornhill, Canada
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Deanstreet wrote: <quoted text>
Soooooo....
Where is the secret clause that you have been shouting, ranting & raving about...?
Come on bigmouth you can't do it...
LOL...
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS QUE PELOTUDO!LIAR!
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Deanstreet
UK
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MAlvinero1 wrote: <quoted text>
QUE PELOTUDO!LIAR! Hiya mal, still playing the same old tune on the same worn out fiddle I see...! That's exactly why we'll win at any hearing at the UNICJ.. You can imagine it can't you.. The Judge ask argentina to present its case... Then mall stands up...! Too comical to put into words...but you can well imagine it.. LOL.... Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
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francisco
Santa Fe, Argentina
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Deanstreet wrote: <quoted text>
Soooooo....
Where is the secret clause that you have been shouting, ranting & raving about...?
Come on bigmouth you can't do it...
LOL...
Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands En los libros escritos por varios historiadores.... Vos preguntas. Vos recibis la respuesta. :-D
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francisco
Santa Fe, Argentina
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Deanstreet wrote: <quoted text>
Hiya mal,
still playing the same old tune on the same worn out fiddle I see...!
That's exactly why we'll win at any hearing at the UNICJ..
You can imagine it can't you..
The Judge ask argentina to present its case...
Then mall stands up...!
Too comical to put into words...but you can well imagine it..
LOL....
Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands CIJ?. Despues de 6 sugerencias de arbitraje rechazas por vos?. Art 35 de la CONVEMAR.... Nos vemos en la corte cuando quieras....
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BritBob
Bracknell, UK
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Cami wrote: <quoted text>
Hello Deanstreet, I'm an argentine and I want you to know that I don't blame kelpers for the stealing. I actually think that kelpers hasn't been treated with respect. I mean, I don't understand how Cristina Kirchner pretends to get back the Islands when she doesn't respect the people there. That's what I think.
People here are really hurted about what happened with the Islands. I'm one of them. But I don't think that hate is the solution. Malvinas are argentine. I have no doubts. I think kelpers should wait a little until Cristina leaves (hope that's soon...) to make a decision. They have to be argentine but kelpers should also be able to live there with the respect you deserve. Kelpèrs are also people. And british are also people. And that's what argentine minds are not thinking. they think from the hate, and they're not being objective.
Anyways, british are no saints. The other day, I saw a picture of a cup with a South American map, and Argentina was not there. They changed it for the "Merda Sea". That makes argentine people to hate british. And our goverment is not helping to have a better relation with Great Britain. So it seems like this is never going to end! Let just stop for a second... think... this is stupid. Argentine and british should take a sit and dialog about this.
I DO NOT BLAME kelpers. Was the goverments back in time. Margaret Thatcher and Galtieri are guilty. Also the context of both countries are guilty.
Greetings from Argentina. The Falkland Islands are British - Continuous settlement since 1833, Convention of Settlement Treaty signed by Argentina in 1850 and morally also as the Falkland Islanders wish to remain British they have that right under the UN charter. Argentina has only been using the 'Great Malvinas Lie' since the time of Peron. Argentine politicians know that they have no legal nor moral case when it comes to the Falklands and the problem is that they haven't got the guts to admit this to their people and are happy to bluster on to distract their public. Perhaps when Timmerman's legal actions against British companies drilling for oil in the Falklands comes to nothing people in Argentina will realise that they have absolutely no case, they will just get on with their lives.
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francisco
Roldan, Argentina
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BritBob wrote: <quoted text>
The Falkland Islands are British - Continuous settlement since 1833, Convention of Settlement Treaty signed by Argentina in 1850 and morally also as the Falkland Islanders wish to remain British they have that right under the UN charter. Argentina has only been using the 'Great Malvinas Lie' since the time of Peron. Argentine politicians know that they have no legal nor moral case when it comes to the Falklands and the problem is that they haven't got the guts to admit this to their people and are happy to bluster on to distract their public.
Perhaps when Timmerman's legal actions against British companies drilling for oil in the Falklands comes to nothing people in Argentina will realise that they have absolutely no case, they will just get on with their lives. No!. El vigra no!. Las otras pastillas te dije que tomes!. El viagra es solo para cuando te masturbas con un palo en orto.... :-D
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Deanstreet
Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
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francisco wrote: <quoted text>
CIJ?.
Despues de 6 sugerencias de arbitraje rechazas por vos?.
Art 35 de la CONVEMAR....
Nos vemos en la corte cuando quieras.... yet again, proof..? Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
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francisco
Roldan, Argentina
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Deanstreet wrote: <quoted text>
yet again, proof..?
Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands Ya lo probe.... Hace años que lo hago.... :-D
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