The President of the Hellenic Republic on the FYROM Name Issue

Fabian wrote:

KAROLOS PAPOULIAS A DISTINGUISHED AND EXCEPTIONAL PERSONALITY.

yoda wrote:

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Hey Fab, what is going on?

Fabian wrote:

KAROLOS PAPOULIAS A DISTINGUISHED AND EXCEPTIONAL PERSONALITY.

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United Macedonians wrote:

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Fabian you are right. However, Papoulias makes a huge concession. He refers to the geographical area of “medieval Macedonia”. The area of FYROM was not considered as Macedonia by anybody in the Middle Ages. Perhaps someone has a document in Slavonic or Greek but I have not seen anything. The Byzantine administrative district of Macedonia was nearer modern Thrace.
So in fact the problem is not so simple. What Papoulias could have said is that the region the Skops claim is also part of Macedonia became inhabited since medieval times by various people. But that is their claim. There is no historical record that the area of FYROM was called Macedonia or part of Macedonia in the Middle Ages. The first use of the word Macedonia to denote the area of the present administrative region in Greece can be found in Renaissance period maps and later European maps.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/vie...
These maps refer only to the approximate area of modern Hellenic Macedonia as Macedonia. In these maps regions north of the Prespa lakes are called Topliza or Dardania and Dacia or Servia or several other names BUT NOT Macedonia. That part of the Balkans (FYROM) only began to be referred to as part of Macedonia after the Bulgarian propaganda c. 1870. FYROM is not 38% of the historic region of Macedonia, it is practically 0% according to the early European maps. Its people were not considered Macedonians and did not refer to themselves as Macedonians in any sense until the propaganda started.
The Greek governments have failed to bring this point up, one wants to believe for diplomatic reasons. But it hurts our cause because people think we are not making a concession, whereas we are making a HUGE, absolutely HUGE (and unacceptable in my view) concession to even discuss the word Macedonia as part of the new FYROM name. Bulgarians, the Comintern and next Tito and the Skops have used it always in reference to splitting up Greece. Its adoption has been since 1870 a declaration of territorial interests at the expense of Greece. To even mention it in negotiations is an insult to Greek sovereignty.

lilalo wrote:

If FYROM was not the irredentist belicose anti-greek entity that it is ,they'd never pose claims on the name of Macedonia recognising the hellennism of that particular signifier,as well as assuming their own true non-greek and therefore non-macedonian identity.
Had they not have been ultra-nationalist fascists they would spare the world their iniquitous racial theories or that the slavonic they speak is the macedonian ancient Macedonians spoke!
FYROM shamelessly continues on the same rythm after 17-18 years of presentation of arguments and historical evidence that ought to have made any well meaning neighbour retract and ask the Greek people to be pardoned for those long years of abusing of the greek sense of identity.
All of the above do not leave the shed of a doubt
that FYROM is not to be trusted and that it is not worthy of concessions on even the so called geographical use of the name of 'Macedonia'.

Fabian wrote:

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All well said lilalo, do the Greek politicians share the Greek peoples' views?

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United Macedonians wrote:

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.... the geographical area of “medieval Macedonia”...

lilalo wrote:

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I believe they are.

lilalo wrote:

The Greek President showed that he understands perfectly well what the slav irredentism can be as a future liability for Greece !

BOREC wrote:

He is not president of Hell_as - he is just a parlament's president!!
NONE WHO IS NOT VOTED BY ITS PEOPLE CAN REPRESENT THEM AT THE SAME TIME!!!
THIS IS JUST ANOTHER COVER UP AND GAYREEK FRAUD....AS THEY ARE ALL OVER!!!

Vangelis wrote:

Veto thats what we want. Dont you get it by now thats what Macedonia wants we dont need the EU OR NATO. We want you to Veto us and spend all your money on a compromise that will not happen. If Macedonia belongs to Greece then you dont have to pay us off for the past 20 years its Greece that in big debt reh wake up and smell the Turkish coffie

Vangelis wrote:

Veto thats what we want. Dont you get it by now thats what Macedonia wants we dont need the EU OR NATO. We want you to Veto us and spend all your money on a compromise that will not happen. If Macedonia belongs to Greece then you dont have to pay us off for the past 20 years its Greece that in big debt reh wake up and smell the Turkish coffie

DARDAN wrote:

<quoted text>he must be careful in his statements , to apologise or he will be acused of misleading the talks on the name issue
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detai...