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Thursday Jul 31
 
Maniot wrote:
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obviously on drugs
Indeed.
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Thursday Jul 31
 
@ Parmenion
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what the hell is YOUR relationship to Parmeniona?Why use a greek ALIAS and not take-up a Slav intellectual's name for it?.....always the 'identity theft'...never stops for small and big ,or does it?
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Mia Zoi Ellada wrote:
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Indeed.
What's the matter ? all of a sudden you speechless ? Facts hurt don't they ! All you have is insults ?

So typical Greek ! Best tool is to lie ! your style is well known , and well disliked !

Macedonia and Macedonians are classy people , with dignity and respect ! None describes Greeks !
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what the hell is YOUR relationship to Parmeniona?Why use a greek ALIAS and not take-up a Slav intellectual's name for it?.....always the 'identity theft'...never stops for small and big ,or does it?
Parmenion , not Parmeniona ! It is a Macedonian name not Greek ! AS far as Identity theft : you are the thief ! you claim it to be Greek alias - not me !
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Parmenion wrote:
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What's the matter ? all of a sudden you speechless ? Facts hurt don't they ! All you have is insults ?
So typical Greek ! Best tool is to lie ! your style is well known , and well disliked !
Macedonia and Macedonians are classy people , with dignity and respect ! None describes Greeks !
Sorry mate what did you expect?
When a person is clearly as uneducated and fanatic as you do you honestly believe that I am gonna try to persuade him that History is based on real facts and "facts" that might as well came right out from a star trek episode? You are full of hate, nationalistic propaganda and so blind that you manage to avoid real facts.
All graves found in Macedonia form 4th Century BC are with Greek names and in Greek.
All names of ancient macedons were Greek
All artifacts or scipts actually found and dug up are Greek.
All colonies founded by Macedonian were Greek
Thessaloniki in ancient macedonian meant victory of Thessaly. Guess what Thessalo-niki means in Greek.
No slavic writting has been found from that period of time.
You speak a bulgarian dialect
You have slavic names

The only way for you to be Macedonian is for you to prove that your ancestors were once Greek. Since you hate Greeks so much I assume you have decided to take drugs instead and continue your blind propaganda.
So chill out and have a good one
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Sorry mate what did you expect?
When a person is clearly as uneducated and fanatic as you do you honestly believe that I am gonna try to persuade him that History is based on real facts and "facts" that might as well came right out from a star trek episode? You are full of hate, nationalistic propaganda and so blind that you manage to avoid real facts.
All graves found in Macedonia form 4th Century BC are with Greek names and in Greek.
All names of ancient macedons were Greek
All artifacts or scipts actually found and dug up are Greek.
All colonies founded by Macedonian were Greek
Thessaloniki in ancient macedonian meant victory of Thessaly. Guess what Thessalo-niki means in Greek.
No slavic writting has been found from that period of time.
You speak a bulgarian dialect
You have slavic names
The only way for you to be Macedonian is for you to prove that your ancestors were once Greek. Since you hate Greeks so much I assume you have decided to take drugs instead and continue your blind propaganda.
So chill out and have a good one
I have no desire to debate history with you ! You know noting about history , accept your version ! As far as hatred , you are full of it! One day , soon, you will wake up and find the world around you in chains , accept you will be chained in , not the world chained out !

As far as my education is concerned ... my academic recognition comes from much higher institution that what you may have available in HELLada !
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#13196
Thursday Jul 31
 
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I have no desire to debate history with you ! You know noting about history , accept your version ! As far as hatred , you are full of it! One day , soon, you will wake up and find the world around you in chains , accept you will be chained in , not the world chained out !
As far as my education is concerned ... my academic recognition comes from much higher institution that what you may have available in HELLada !
I see...you attended the GELLADA Institution!!
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Parmenion wrote:
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Zoi...
Are you series !? All of them MACEDONIAN none Greek ! Shame , Shame , Shame on you !The reason you can not name one , accept the one artificially created in 1830's , is : there is none ! Greeks and Macedonians are as different as Germans and French! You desperately try to convince your self of something that is unsustainable , Macedonians are Macedonians and Greeks have no common anything in terms of ethnicity , nationality... etc . Have a much hostility against one another yes ! but claiming Macedonians as Greeks is a "sleazy " low behaviour attributed to thieves , rouge nations without past or culture! Greece has given a lot to the world use it ! But , leave Macedonia alone ! You have noting there ! The world is watching you and may turn against you if you start believing your own lies !
well said the greeks are pushing there own propergander you are correct macedonia is macedonia and greece is greece but the greeks put there own spin on things

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#13198
Thursday Jul 31
 
Macedonians was and will be Macedonians and our country call Macedonia,this FYROM mean Former Yugoslav - so Yugoslavian not exist any more but Macedonia exist with this reason we are just Macedonians and this ugly FYROM is just temporary referents.

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#13199
Thursday Jul 31
 
Parmenion wrote:
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Zoi....
Answer one question : In Greek history , ancient and newer , when did the first King appear? And his name !
So... according to you Menelaos, Agamemnon, Achilles, Odysseas, Aias (Ajax) and long before them Dionysus and others were not kings but democratically elected representatives of the common people???? What kind of question is that and what is its purpose?? Even the Macedonian Argeads claim their descendance from a long line of Greek kings, the Temenids... But your ignorance is that blind that you choose to challenge even things that you know are there for all to see and study...

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#13200
Thursday Jul 31
 
Parmenion wrote:
Much "dust" is created by the Greeks, regarding Macedonia / Macedonian , hoping to convince the world and themselves that Macedonia is some how part of the Greek heritage and culture ! The opposite is true ! Macedonians throughout history engaged in destroying anything Greek and asserting Macedonia as the world ruler, using in the process : force , politics , economy , culture all in order to accomplish one thing : One nation one ruler one world ! Greeks were scared of Macedonians to death , for Macedonians sought to destroy Greek way of life : City states and " democracy " and replace it with " King "!
If ancient Greeks can speak today , first thing they will tell you : you are out of your mind , for you are making Greeks out of our most hated enemy , the barbarians that destroyed us and our Greek way of life !
Greece and Macedonia have as much in common as Jews and Germans !
Macedonians are the ones who spread hellenic culture throughout the world. They were Greeks and what they did was to USE THEIR OWN LANGUAGE AND CULTURE! Their time was called HELLENISTIC and their spreading of the Greek culture has been attested by every ancient and modern scholar.. Would you comment if I gave you references or just change subject as you are so well trained to do?

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Parmenion wrote:
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Are you series !? All of them MACEDONIAN none Greek ! Shame , Shame , Shame on you !The reason you can not name one , accept the one artificially created in 1830's , is : there is none ! Greeks and Macedonians are as different as Germans and French! You desperately try to convince your self of something that is unsustainable , Macedonians are Macedonians and Greeks have no common anything in terms of ethnicity , nationality... etc . Have a much hostility against one another yes ! but claiming Macedonians as Greeks is a "sleazy " low behaviour attributed to thieves , rouge nations without past or culture! Greece has given a lot to the world use it ! But , leave Macedonia alone ! You have noting there ! The world is watching you and may turn against you if you start believing your own lies !
So... the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York is another agent of Greek interests.... very good (and equally lame as all your other arguments). And this of course is not the opinion of this but of ALL museums and academic institutions around the world...(but I guess there are many youtube videos you can use as refderences, so you don;t need museums, universities and bull like that...)

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Parmenion wrote:
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I have no desire to debate history with you ! You know noting about history , accept your version ! As far as hatred , you are full of it! One day , soon, you will wake up and find the world around you in chains , accept you will be chained in , not the world chained out !
As far as my education is concerned ... my academic recognition comes from much higher institution that what you may have available in HELLada !
You are an uneducated brat!!! It is obvioius you have NOTHING to do with history or classical studies... "academic recognition"???? With english like that??? Yes... maybe in garbage collecting or youtube video posting...
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Parmenion wrote:
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Parmenion , not Parmeniona ! It is a Macedonian name not Greek ! AS far as Identity theft : you are the thief ! you claim it to be Greek alias - not me !
You ignore even the declinations of the alias you stole -the grammatical declinations- that in itself is proof of your fraud,and I shall add no more to it.
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Friday Aug 1
 
Makedonikos Agonas wrote:
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Did you read Borza's statements???
Ru completely mad???
The guy says there is NO Macedonian ethnicity before Tito fabricated it!!!
My Dear Makedonikos,

If you want to read what an authority wrote about Macedonian identity,I suggest you to find and read what is written by the biggest authority , Serbian (not Macedonian) scientist Dr.Jovan Cvijic.

Dr.Jovan Cvijic is not a modern historian or a propagandist, he is the greatest Serbian scientist,

Dr. Jovan Cvijic (1865-1927), Serbian scientist-geographer(President of the Serbian Royal Academy of Science; Rector of the University of Belgrade;beside this,an associate of The Soviet Academy of Sciences,science association Parnasson in Athens, honorable doctor of Sorbonne,…
Dr.Jovan Cvijic wrote of whole entity of Macedonia (more than 60.000 km square,(while Republic of Macedonia today only more than 25.000) and he wrote of Macedonians people DIFFERENT from Serbian and Bulgarian Slavic people in his work(s)“Balkan peninsula and Southern-Slavic countries”

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lilalo wrote:
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You ignore even the declinations of the alias you stole -the grammatical declinations- that in itself is proof of your fraud,and I shall add no more to it.
Hahahaha!!! Actually the use of -a in conjugating names was a characteristic of the Macedonian Greek dialect..

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Srbomakedonac wrote:
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My Dear Makedonikos,
If you want to read what an authority wrote about Macedonian identity,I suggest you to find and read what is written by the biggest authority , Serbian (not Macedonian) scientist Dr.Jovan Cvijic.
Dr.Jovan Cvijic is not a modern historian or a propagandist, he is the greatest Serbian scientist,
Dr. Jovan Cvijic (1865-1927), Serbian scientist-geographer(President of the Serbian Royal Academy of Science; Rector of the University of Belgrade;beside this,an associate of The Soviet Academy of Sciences,science association Parnasson in Athens, honorable doctor of Sorbonne,…
Dr.Jovan Cvijic wrote of whole entity of Macedonia (more than 60.000 km square,(while Republic of Macedonia today only more than 25.000) and he wrote of Macedonians people DIFFERENT from Serbian and Bulgarian Slavic people in his work(s)“Balkan peninsula and Southern-Slavic countries”
My dear Srbomssddsdsd, I can quote you more than 50 treaties before 1915 that called the Slavs of Macedonia either Serbs or Bulgarians. Actually I cannot find eveb one that treats them as something different....

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Friday Aug 1
 
50 treatises I meant...
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Makedonikos Agonas wrote:
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Did you read Borza's statements???
Ru completely mad???
The guy says there is NO Macedonian ethnicity before Tito fabricated it!!!
If you want to read what an authority wrote about Macedonian identity,I suggest you to find and read what is written by the biggest authority , Serbian (not Macedonian) scientist Dr.Jovan Cvijic.
Dr.Jovan Cvijic is not a modern historian or a propagandist, he is the greatest Serbian scientist .
Dr. Jovan Cvijic (1865-1927), Serbian scientist-geographer(President of the Serbian Royal Academy of Science; Rector of the University of Belgrade;beside this,an associate of The Soviet Academy of Sciences,science association Parnasson in Athens, honorable doctor of Sorbonne,…
Dr.Jovan Cvijic wrote of whole entity of Macedonia (more than 60.000 km square,(while Republic of Macedonia today only more than 25.000) and he wrote of Macedonians people different from Serbian and Bulgarian Slavic people in his work(s)“Balkan peninsula and Southern-Slavic countries”
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there is no Republic of Macedonia!
the name is FYROM!
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