the Identity of Macedonians

Let us at present what must be the "i language Turkish Hungarian. I already said in Chapter XV. that Cabar, and other tribes of Chazars which they joined the Turks, when they still inhabited the vicinity of the Tanais, they had given their language, that is to say, that of Chazars, which became common , and they furrendered more familiar with trade union & they kept up with them during many years. Lorfque Conftantine, Apostle of Sclavonians, was sent by Emperor Michael in Chazars to instruct them in the Faith, he stopped some time 1, Cherfone , To learn their language. It was questioned if this v Language Chazars was the Sclavonia. But this doubt is decided by the observance of the above, fince it is shown that this language of Chazars was the same as that of the Turks Hungarians that the language of the Turks, which still subsists in Hungary, has no connection with the Sclavonians, nor any other known language in Europe. It is true that Conftantine studied alfo to Sclavonians Cherfone, Where he was well able to learn through the assistance of Raids & other peoples who Sclavonians commerçoient with Cherfonites but this does not prove that this language was that of Chazars, 6c we might more reasonably have concluded that he heard one and the other in this journey. All this confirms the opinion I have thrown her day in Chapter II. Language Hongroifc that must be the daughter of Circaffienne; latter language is very ancient: it has always been in force in the Lithuanian Country between the Black Sea, on the oc Caucafus Cafpian fea; can not doubt that Chazars the Abafges the Zique the Cabar, Uzes, and all the tribes who themfelves mixed with the Turks, not fhould Nations Circaffiennes. It is therefore probable that their language was Circaffien, fince the Chazars the Abafges, &. the Cabartins today, who are their descendants, still speak it. It is, by the testimony of all authors, that the Turks adopted the Hungarian Language Chazars; if these peoples had therefore had "no other language Circaffienne that, we would find them. Hongroife vestiges in, and it is manifest that the latter has not the slightest connection, or any affinity with any other known language, except it with Circaffien & Tartarus. It is therefore necessary that the bottom ia Language Hongroife Foit the Circaffien, & the Roots Tartars that there fhould be found the remains of the Tartar language ", which in the early days was to be shared by Hungarians Turks, fince their first originated in Great Tartary. The uniformity of some Hungarian names, illustrious in hiftory with names Circaflîens, is still strong evidence of what I say. Ritius Michel, in his book of Regibus HungarU y said one of the heads of Turks Hungarians, he called Huns, were a man named S citaThis can be one of Cabili Beg or Circafllenne Tribe named in Seite. Bonfini in the ninth book of his first decade, said that Zabolch, one of those leaders, gave birth to the Tribe Chaki; & Found today Tribe Chaka in Circaflle. Another leader, called Gyula, can it not have been any Beg of the Tribe of Circaflîenne Gylo-Kouadje. We find names Circaflîens in good time immemorial; Procopius we die that belonged to Cafpiennes Doors Ambaface, Hun of nation, and great friend of the Romans, who offered to sell these doors Emperor Anaftafe. This Ambaface Beg was certainly one of the Tribe tiAbaface., which is one of the most considerable Circaflle, &. whose name has been somewhat altered by the Abbe Greek. I might find a lot of names aufl! consistent, but I think it is sufficient to have mentioned a few. I gave an accurate list of all the tribes Circafllennes in a work as manufcript the present state of the small Tartary That I sent to the Court

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DARDAN wrote:

<quoted text>greek influence!!!!NO,not at all.The Writers hiftory Hungarian make no mention of the conflict with the Turks of different Nations; they fuppofe from the bottom of the Sarmatian, with defign trained to conquer Pannonia and they give us the details of their route, since they pale "the Tanais, till their arrival in Moravia. According to the report Bonfini they traverferent of the Country Roxolani t of Hamaxobes , Of Sarmatians, & Of Turco-Scythians ) as Travelers, and without committing any of the £ has hoftility. Far from that, they brûloient of so violent defire arrived in Pannonia, they diffimuloient the insults that could make their way, lest the neceffity for vengeance, does should engage in some war, which would have delayed their trip pii. Afterwards they passed in Baftarnes, Se in advanced BeJJes & The Albanians. Feveral authors have aiïuré that Szeklers or the Huns, who under the guidance of Attila had seized that part of Dacia, which is now laTranfilvanie, and had occupied the till then, came to meet their supposed countrymen, till in Roxolani & the Hamaxobes, which the Ruffians today. The Turkish weary of so long crazy road stopped the Mountains Amadores & Mountains Peudns, Himfelf fhould may be determined to fettle in this country, and to cultivate, if they had been hijacked by the fabulous adventures of the Eagles, including a
innumerable suddenly burst upon their horses & their cattle, To remove even the meat over their tables. They took this as a bad sign, With a avertiflèment purfue for their attempt. Indeed, they passed the mountains, and went to fettle in the part of Dacia called the Tranfylvania at present, despite the efforts made Baftarnes the Peucins & the BEFL to stop them

I ' m sorry but I didnt understand your point. Reading your post was a linguistic challenge. you certainly have an persistent issue with F's at the expense fo S's. But other than that what or who are you talkig about?

Nina-Makedonia-Hellas wrote:

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I absolutely agree with you on your last sentence.
language is very imortant as is is the carrier of culture , religion too as it is both language and culture but most of all , most of all it all amounts to genes.

Yes, and I love how Albanians say that we are Persian, Gypsy, Turks, and Ethiopians when they are our neighbors, so somehow we mixed with all those other groups and they stayed pure.

Yes to me language and culture are very important.

Nina-Makedonia-Hellas wrote:

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Dankovic, you and Kan Presian seem to have a very cool head . I 'd like to sit with you two at the same table and eat and discuss over wine, would be very interesting . any sober , coolheaded non anti-greek Albanian would be welcome too on my part.
I can almost see the picture :)))
Let's give the balkans a new driving force , an new spirit and let some super powers go green with envy :))

Yes but most Albanians are uneducated and ignorant anti-Greek and anti-Slavic(Serbian), while they are also very heavily pro-Turkish.

Nina-Makedonia-Hellas wrote:

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I ' m sorry but I didnt understand your point. Reading your post was a linguistic challenge. you certainly have an persistent issue with F's at the expense fo S's. But other than that what or who are you talkig about?

you can read anyway,move on

Dankovic wrote:

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Yes but most Albanians are uneducated and ignorant anti-Greek and anti-Slavic(Serbian), while they are also very heavily pro-Turkish.

most Turkish people (at least in Asia Minor, Constantinople)they seem to like Greeks, have friendly feelings , and so do Greeks. What politicians do is another issue.Turkey plays her own game and she plays it really well. Makedonoidi also look to Turkey for help in any possible way .However, Turkey was the first to recognize Kosovo, and Albanians like it of course. what makedonoidi dont seem to realise is that Turkey has never had a friendly attitude towards Slavs. never.But then again makedonoidi also have a problem realizing how vey and absolutely slavic they are..

most of the things said in this forum are at least pathetically funny. Hate and bigotry has never taken anyone very far. But to the short-sighted it seemingly gives them a reason to be:))
have a good day!

Nina-Makedonia-Hellas wrote:

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I see that in the bubble -blow of the makedonOIDI farce there is an albanian orchestrated tragic comedy emerging.. keep it up stupid, you 're nto in EU yet are you. Dont you ever learn?? from makedonOIDI FIASCO???
Dna gibberish?? arent you afraid really/???
can you present written evidence here about where Greeks came from?? really where were greeks before they suddenly appeared in greek peninsula??????? ok, wikipedia comparative research will suffice.
greeks
"probably arrived" .. "assumed migrations"...
Albanians
"...The Albanians appear in the historical record in Byzantine sources of the late 11th century. At this point, they are already fully Christianized. Very little evidence of pre-Christian Albanian culture survives, and Albanian mythology and folklore as it presents itself is notoriously syncretized from various sources, showing in particular Greek influence."...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians#Histor...
one must be wise enough to know when keeping silent is best....:))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks#Origins

I love the way and reason with the people to our north. Unlike you, i am a Greek who 'doesn't' want to talk about Macedonia other than to say, quite clearly, Macedonia is mine and you aren't welcome to it's name, it's land, any part of it's history and it's future. If it takes war to solve this issue, so be it. It worked for the Russians when they had to deal with Georgia and it will work for Greece. A quick bombing is all it takes to turn these people back to what they once were...Bulgarians, Albanians or Serbs.

Mlle Lenormand wrote:

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Unfortunately for you inscriptions on coins and artifacts don't say say a word about a slavic tribe being Macedonian . Not even Arrian who was first to write about Alexander the Great.

I don't know why you think we say that Bulgarians insisted to be Macedonians? I said exactly opposite- we don't want even part, we want truth about our history (meaning history claimed by FYROM).We have lineage with other people-from Balhara (Bactrians), Thracians, Slavs....

megas alexandros wrote:

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I love the way and reason with the people to our north. Unlike you, i am a Greek who 'doesn't' want to talk about Macedonia other than to say, quite clearly, Macedonia is mine and you aren't welcome to it's name, it's land, any part of it's history and it's future. If it takes war to solve this issue, so be it. It worked for the Russians when they had to deal with Georgia and it will work for Greece. A quick bombing is all it takes to turn these people back to what they once were...Bulgarians, Albanians or Serbs.

people to our north? you mean only makedonoidi I hope.
Anyway, whoever, north, south, east and west, anyone who could so unabashedly and provocatively "ask for their (greek) devil" like this species do,
I couldn't agree with you more.

With anyone who shows signs of humane nature, common sense and self-respect and genuine pride and dignity I will discuss and reason and enjoy the company.
with those only.:))

The experience of the First world war, when both Bulgarian and serbian soldiers were trampling through Macedonia on opposing sides of the conflict, must hqave also contributed to some extent. The ever shifting Salonika front and a general sense of weariness resulting from being caught up in another war, no doubt led to a growing dis-association from all the combatants.

Throughout this period, the view that the SlavoMacedonians formed a separate entity was espoused primarily by elements of the nascent intelligentsia; common people who still considered themselves "Bulgarians".
The process of differentiation from the Bulgarians was spurred on grealty by the events of World War ll and in particular the alienating effect of the decidingly unsubtle occupation of their land by their "Bulgarian brothers" - allies of Nazi Germany.

However the concept and form of the new Slavic nation centred in Macedonia, did not really crystallize until given shape by a monumental process indoctrination initiated by post- World War ll YUGOSLAVIA.
Yugoslavia was determined in the face of constant Bulgarian claims, to eradicate the still considerable vestige of Bulgarian sentiment in what was to be the southernmost republic of the YUGOSLAV STATE.

TITO'S communist Yugoslavia gave enormous impetus to this new concept as it very definitely served Yugoslavia's interests. Firstly, it effectively neutralised any lingering and dangerous pro-Bulgarian influence on this Yugoslav republic.
It extended to provide justification for the idea of 'liberation' and 'unification of all Macedonia - an outcome which would have potentially given Yugoslavia control of the much-coveted Greek city of Salonika.

It is quite true to say that on the whole, YUGOSLAVIA has succeeded in "de-Bulgarising" the Slavs of YUgoslav Macedonia and turning them into "Macedonians"!
Nevertheless the existence of a common past with the Bulgarians is still very troubling for this new group and continues to cause unease in relation to its sense of identity.

It was not surprising then that, Bulgaria was one of the first nations to officially recognise an idependant "Republic of Macedonia". The birth of this new state was welcomed by Bulgarians as it represented the end of the despised Serbian/Yugoslav domination in the area which had contrived agianst its Bulgarian character.

HOWEVER, BULGARIANS HAVE NOT RECOGNISED A DISTINCT 'MACEDONIAN' NATION AND USE THIS LABEL, AS DO THE GREEKS, LARGELY AS A GEOGRAPHICAL ONE.

The Bulgarians have never really ceased to consider the Slavs of Macedonia as brethren and consistently regard them as ethnic Bulgarians and perhaps even potentially as future citizens of a larger Bulgaria. Certainly they refer to the FYROM colloquially as "Western Bulgaria" and had also proposed a "Second Bulgaria"!(VTORA BUGARIJA in Slavic) as a name for the new republic!

Nina-Makedonia-Hellas wrote:

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There are NO minorities in Greece. You think that by keeping saying this wishful thinking there will suddenly be minorities????
keep praying to God for another eternity. You might be heard

You are a Big Fat Brainwashed Barbie Doll!

Thanasi wrote:

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You are a Big Fat Brainwashed Barbie Doll!

you are THE BIGGEST MALAKAS

why slavon why most of so called slavs of macedonia once were albanians and change their language and now they do not know who they are like you ...Albanians or eagle people simbol of zeus will be again in the south , while some of you with what you say and claim the shame of history

PRIAPOS wrote:

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you are THE BIGGEST MALAKAS

and you the biggest pushti of course , you as i have seen get many roles and name ..but one thing are you for sure a greek albanian hajde qiu !!

Thanasi wrote:

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You are a Big Fat Brainwashed Barbie Doll!

if you think Barbie dolls caress you like I do , I am!
poor Thanasi!

Thanasi just got pissed off big time!
hahahahahahahhahahahaaa!
reason is you dont have a leg to stand on and I know. you too.

dodona wrote:

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and you the biggest pushti of course , you as i have seen get many roles and name ..but one thing are you for sure a greek albanian hajde qiu !!

the pushti role is tailor made for you only
hajde qiu YOU!
MALAKA!

dodona wrote:

why slavon why most of so called slavs of macedonia once were albanians and change their language and now they do not know who they are like you ...Albanians or eagle people simbol of zeus will be again in the south , while some of you with what you say and claim the shame of history

Makedonoidi here, eagle people illyriodi there, what the balkan hell, this is not land it is a real zoo!
We Greeks are the semi-gods!
no kidding !
;D :D :D :D