Richard Feldman: A fraudulent link to autism

if you are stupid enough to deny your child vaccinations you shouldn't get any assistance or insurance coverage for the horrors polio and the host of other devastating illnesses you expose your children to. The ONLY people who think skipping vaccinations is a good idea have never bothered to learn about the epidemics that led to vaccination development in the first place. Even IF they led to autism(they don't) the risk would be well worth it. The surge in autism diagnoses results from parents searching for something to blame their childs behavior on other than their lack of parenting combined with medicine practitioners greed and desire to make names for themselves, and pharmas developements. Most of the "mild" diagnoses are simply issues from being spoiled, neglected, over protected and coddled, or simply precocious, all issues that parents have overcome through discipline from time immemorial and children have gone on to live perfectly normal lives from without tens of thousands in wasted dr fees and false treatment. If we continue down this path in ten years 2/3s of everyone will be stuck with a label that most people associate with "retarded". I'm not saying autism doesn't exist, only that a solid third of children diagnosed with it aren't anything but brats who need strong leadership.

50 yrs of the world of medicine back what I say, a few years of fraudulent research and a small percentage of information from the internet back you. Duh is right, I'm sure its forever going through your head. Pharma IS greedy and rotten, but you're stupid.

a-non wrote:

50 yrs of the world of medicine back what I say, a few years of fraudulent research and a small percentage of information from the internet back you. Duh is right, I'm sure its forever going through your head. Pharma IS greedy and rotten, but you're stupid.

What a simple man you are. The perfect blind consumer. How many pills do you take a day?
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/0...
http://holyhormones.com/documentsBrief+Assess...
See there are two issues. Do vaccines work and do vaccines harm. I'm not arguing if they work. I'm arguing they maim and kill. In regards to your 50 years of whatever you are refering to, vaccines have changed, been invented and mixed together over time. They have not remained static. The numbers given have increased. The factors are not what they were 50 years ago or even 10. DUH is right, try using your brain for thinking and researching. And if you search any Pharma company with the word LAWSUIT you will see that members of the Pharmafia are in constant litigation, and its a part of their fraudulent industry. Vioxx killed 88,000 people, but thats OK right? And its ok MERCK'S CEO and owners were never charged criminally or faced prison time. People who kill once are villified and given a hundred years in prison because they don't have billions they can use to make "campaign contributions" to politicians and who knows who else.

You are an imbecile. You're saying 2+2+2=1000006.

a-non wrote:

You are an imbecile. You're saying 2+2+2=1000006.

You said it moron. And thanks for your input and all the information you bring to this forum. Oh wait you don't bring anything but bad attitude and personal opinion which are Useless.

Vioxx did not kill 88,000 people. Scare tactic and has nothing to do with vaccines.
Vaccine ingredients have pretty much remained the same be it 10 years ago or 50. Scare tactic.
Merck was never charged criminally because they really didn't do anything that was criminal. Merck pulled the product themselves as well.
The first link was about Hannah Poling, a very complecated case but the MMR did not cause autism. Try reading the court documents, not some blog.
The second link, aluminum adjuvants have been in vaccines even before thimerosal was but you have greater exposure to aluminum just by walking out the door than you do via a vaccine. Aluminum is the most abundant metal of the Earths crust. Aluminum is only a theory to cause Alzheimer’s. It's not proven. So is zinc. How many people have their children with autism on zinc as part of bio medical?

Vaccines Cause Leukemia wrote:

<quoted text> You said it moron. And thanks for your input and all the information you bring to this forum. Oh wait you don't bring anything but bad attitude and personal opinion which are Useless.

YOUR attitude, should it be adopted by the masses, would kill millions of children(and adults) needlessly worldwide by fostering devastating epidemics of horrible diseases. I guess that's not useless, if you're satan himself. EVERYthing your lot offers are OPINIONS, poorly based ones at that. Too bad your stupid brat didn't die miserably of one of those things it was vaccinated for, that would've been so much better for you.

If you do a research on latest autism causes accprding to the so called experts, here is a summary:

Moms who take antidepressants while pregnant

Moms who develop a fever while pregnant

Moms who have babies too close together

Moms who smoke while pregnant

Moms who are older

Moms who are obese

Moms who live too close to freeways

Stay off vaccines, it is garbage. It is just a money makers for big liars who act with false pretexts.
puck the vaccines

a-non wrote:

<quoted text> YOUR attitude, should it be adopted by the masses, would kill millions of children(and adults) needlessly worldwide by fostering devastating epidemics of horrible diseases. I guess that's not useless, if you're satan himself. EVERYthing your lot offers are OPINIONS, poorly based ones at that. Too bad your stupid brat didn't die miserably of one of those things it was vaccinated for, that would've been so much better for you.

Shut up. If you scare of diseases, double dose on vaccines it will give you better protection, well according to you.

Vaccines are garbage. They have new ones coming out every year, just to boost sales, well in fact it is causing all sort of diseases that were non existant 30 years ago: Autism, Exzema, auto-immune diseases, paralysis, Asthma, Allergies....

Eczema- the gene for it was discovered by Irish researchers as well as the asthma that occurs in association with eczema genes.
Auto-immune diseases- it's too broad a term to use, but most if not all autoimmune diseases arise from an inappropriate immune response of the body against substances and tissues normally present in the body.
Allergies- was termed in 1906 by a Viennese pediatrician.

None of these medical conditions were non existent 30 years ago, or caused by vaccines. 30 years ago the media just wasn't making those things headlines.
By the way, you forgot the age of fathers. How about people who take anti depressants, have a fever while pregnant, have pregnancies too close to each other, smoke, are older and have older male partners and are obese as well as live close to pollution all 'could' contribute to a child being diagnosed with autism. It's more plausible than vaccines since the majority who've had vaccines don't have asthma, eczema, allergies, auto immune disorders (although Hannah Poling has an auto immune disorder she inherited from her mother) paralysis or autism.

Nice try at the mis-info.

Friend wrote:

Stay off vaccines, it is garbage. It is just a money makers for big liars who act with false pretexts.
puck the vaccines

And if you don't get a vaccine you can die from a rusty nail.

You people are stretching for explainations other than your own miserable genes. Let me ask you this, do you believe any of the things you're blaming on vaccines exist outside of vaccinated people? I mean, after all, many of the things you're crying about weren't named until after vaccines were begun. I guess all illness is the result of vaccines, and no one ever became ill before vaccinations began. Sounds stupid doesn't it. So do you morons. Are ANY of you schooled in medicine? One semester of nursing? Idiots. Blind, trying desperately to lead the sighted, for your own whacked out egotistical obsession.

Research isn't necessary. They teach all through grammer school about diseases and epidemics, by 12th grade every person smart enough to graduate high school knows that without vaccines we would still be having massive long term viral outbreaks. I'm smart enough to know that my government lies, and I'm smart enough to know that pharma manipulates everything it can to make money. I'm also smart enough to know that of all the medications out there that have laundry lists of contraindications, vaccines are the group we can't do without. I'm old enough to remember when some of todays vaccines didn't exist, and saw what some of the virus' did. You're an idiot. I'm done now, I just hope you haven't killed anyone yet, you're surely trying hard enough.

Those 'experts' would be solely Wakefield. Of course he never provides that research, just tells you do do some.

There's corruption every where and every where, people want to make money, or sue. Is pharma any worse than the anti vaxxer Boyd Haley who put an industrial chelator in his OSR 1, called it a supplement and sold it to tons of people for profit? As much as some hate pharma, then they should clean their bathrooms of all RX's and never go to the doctor or hospital since it'll be a conflict of interest to their hate.

Many illnesses require anti biotics and without pharma, many people would die. Many people in history did die, and still do today in 3rd world countries due to preventable childhood diseases and lack of proper medical care. 10 infants in California didn't have to die. Even for those who choose not to vaccinate, they cant keep their germs to themselves.

No one listens to Winnipeg Canada, no one bases important medical choices off of him, his name changes and name calling and bullying others. Maybe a kid would listen to him, but adults don't. Adults are capable of researching on their own, and acknowledge events in history actually did happen, and don't rely on one greedy doctor that was found guilty for their information. Those who don't want to vaccinate, don't. There are a few that will always fall into the mass hysteria category, but that's already within their personalities and it's that small group which makes up the anti vaxxers which promotes that hysteria, as seen on this forum. Most everyone else is rational thinking. It's rather odd, a few generations ago the mass hysteria was more real, and parents were begging scientists for prevention. But those who choose not to shouldn't attempt to persuade others (more so when they themselves did vaccinate their kids) when they can predict or pre determine who will have the same reaction as another, when the majority who get vaccines do not have any side effects or long term disability, let alone autism.

Heheh, can't argue with the obvious can you. Everywhere you turn someone will remind the world of the obvious, and your conspiracy obsession will be drowned out.

a-non wrote:

if you are stupid enough to deny your child vaccinations

Although I do agree with the first of what you say, I do not with the latter. The surge in autism rates is actually accurate, for the most part. If anything, some are misdiagnosed which could amount to a third however they'd have some diagnosis like say Landau-Kleffner syndrome, and then there's the manner of how the rates are obtained which puts the surge in question.
Autism isn't just about 'behaviors' that could be fixed with parental discipline. It isn't lack of discipline that makes a child non verbal, or a literal thinker (which great affects academics and social), repetitive, unable to follow a 2 step direction, relies on strict routine and so on. I have yet to know of anyone to become famous for medicine or interventions due to autism. Most interventions for autism have been around long before this surge, and also benefit other disorders other than just autism. And so far, no pharma has create a drug specific for autism other than a new drug still in testing. If anything, the surge in 'brats' came when the public schools became broke and class sizes became much larger. Teachers all of a sudden blamed behavior on not keeping control of their class. It's estimated a million children had been misdiagnosed with ADHD.
I didn't need to blame my child's behaviors on anything or anyone, but he clearly was delayed and he clearly needed help that I had no clue how to provide. If as you suggest a third are just 'brats' as a result of lack of parental discipline, it makes no sense since most of that "practitioners greed and desire to make names for themselves, and pharmas developements" is an out of pocket expense. It's a long stretch of the imagination to think any parent would go to the extreme to obtain a diagnosis, put their child through therapies that they had to pay for just so no one will know it's really their lack of parenting that's causing it. The only parent I am aware of who did such a thing is Jenny McCarthy, whose son has Landau-Kleffner syndrome but she wanted to make some money so she had the good Dr. Sears slap an autism diagnosis on her child however, Landau-Kleffner syndrome is often misdiagnosed as autism, and the therapies for either would be the same. There are plenty within the surge that has multiple diagnosis, like McCarthy's son, which has 2 diagnosis when both diagnosis have the same presentations when really only one diagnosis is the reason. Yet they get counted in the autism rates. This does happen all the time, and who really knows why doctors do that but just the same, but McCarthy is not to blame for her son's condition.

The creation and need for vaccines can stand on it's own without assuming who is simply brats and who actually has autism. The fact as it stands is there is no scientific evidence which specifically links any vaccine to autism.

Perhaps a third is incorrect, but I have 2 friends, the only 2 with claimed links to autism, using different doctors, who's children have been diagnosed with autism, one who's only apparent symptom at 6yrs old is that he won't eat foods of a certain texture, the other didn't speak til he was 3 then used full sentences all at once. The latter does display some slight idiosyncracies, and may actually warrant the diagnosis, but when treated as others responds well. The problem with that is that his parents dance around like he isn't able to perform simple tasks when in fact he is quite able to and DOES those things when they aren't looking. They're destroying his chance at a better future through their behavior. I want to scream at them every time I see them go running when one of the other kids does something as simple get in an argument with him. My point is that some diagnoses, even if correct, don't mean a child is particularly disabled, yet many parents are creating disabled children, and that many parents are searching for labels(as with the attention deficiency you mentioned) to attach to their children to explain away their parenting flaws. The time around these 2 has led me to read more about autism than I already coincidentally had, and I've seen that there IS a struggle to diagnose more and more children, sme with the slightest symptoms, with autism, and maybe that feeds research, but its pretty apparent to me that its not beneficial for children who, without the 'special' treatment and label would be better off and live more normal lives. We've begun allowing companion pets in schools for autistic children now, something I'm positive will lead to more parents seeking autism diagnosis through any means, so their rotten brats will get to take a pet to school every day.

The ADHD I mentioned wasn't the cause of parents, but teachers convincing parents something was wrong with their kids.

Sensory issues and lack of speech are both important issues that would need attention, but by themselves wouldn't be autism. How could it be the parents fault if 2 different doctors diagnosed them as having autism? It's not parents creating disabled children, it would be the doctors who misdiagnose them. 30 some years ago my sister took her 2 year old to the doctor, he'd only eat one food item. Maybe these days doctors diagnose it. They didn't 30 years ago. I've also met many over protective parents of non disabled kids. So what. No parent is perfect nor will any parent be perfect and other than out right abuse, I personally have never seen it cause long term damage. Then you have the other types of parents who demand their children to be over achievers, push their children beyond their developmental limits.

I personally don't agree with dogs in school. Dogs lack the human guidance that kids with autism need, more so socially. Dogs cant replace an academic para, either. If a child cant function well with daily living, that's were a service dog belongs, at home. Not at school which is filled with paid employees to support that child.

The autism rates are flawed but for those of us who have children who actually does have autism, we don't have brats. My child is actually better well behaved than his typical peers and follows rules better than his peers. My child's diagnosis isn't an excuse, it's the reason given to people such as yourself to explain the things you wouldn't understand had you met him.

Aside from all of that, it has little to do with the use of vaccines, or Wakefield's debunked study. Some people fell into mass hysteria due to Wakefield. Anti vaxxers would rather be rude than acknowledge history or the facts against Wakefield. They are the next type of parent who has to blame someone, anyone for their child's disabilities and without evidence, convince others what happened to their child will happen to yours.

I never meant to insinuate that ACTUAL autistic kids are brats or that parents of actual autistics aren't doing their job, I thought I was clear enough on that, sorry if I offended. I know that even at lesser degrees actual autism has to be a challenge(I do feel that at the lower end of the spectrum autism is, to a degree, overcomable). My point about parents being the cause of the diagnosis is that when one, 2, 3 doctors tell them their child is "normal" they keep going to different ones until they find some quack who tells them what they want to hear, and that puts the blame on both sides. Your last sentence sums it up, parents, many of whoms kids DON'T have ACTUAL disabilities, looking for any answer other than they should be doing something different(or simply doing ANYthing), who's children, through those flawed(and overly sought out) diagnoses, contributing to those skewed numbers on autism rates, feeding that hysteria. If every parent of shy or quiet(small examples) children took their kid to doctor after doctor until they heard what they wanted to hear to absolve themselves of the resonsibilty the numbers would be astronomically higher yet. I say to anyone claiming its better not to vaccinate, look up epidemics of the 19th and early to mid 20th century, look at the numbers and the pictures, read about the symptoms, crippling and mortality rates, compare them to autism numbers. Then stfu.

Autism isn't the end of the world, except to anti vaxxers who were expecting a perfect child and wants to sue, or make money off of others. The rest of us aren't as angry or as hateful to others as they are that we don't have perfect kids.

There are parents who seek out many doctors, but that's 2 fold. I knew something wasn't right with my child, but the first 2 professionals at that time were unwilling to add another to the autism rate when it was clear my child could had been the autism poster kid. At the time, I really didn't care what the diagnosis was, but someone had to diagnose something so I'd know what was wrong to know what to do about it. And it's a good thing the third profession did diagnose, and diagnosed autism or there'd be a large chance my child wouldn't had been able to progress as he did with the right diagnosis, the right interventions for him. But where I live, prior to an autism diagnosis, they test for everything else to rule out other causes. I do know what my son doesn't have, and what didn't cause his autism. The testing for autism took 2 days. In order to obtain those interventions, you need a medical diagnosis. All depends on where you live. Now if you live in CA and go see Dr. Sear's, you're sure to get an autism diagnosis no matter what and upon a 20 minute office visit. Where I live, doctors are rather stingy about it and really do their jobs.

I'd much rather deal with autism than some childhood diseases. Autism in itself doesn't have a mortality rate. Childhood diseases do.