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pat

Lasalle, Canada

#1398 Aug 17, 2012
Stephen wrote:
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Actually no Europeans who carry EV13 didn't share common ancestors withe North Africans or Ethiopans. If you notice the passage you posted states the EV13 marker is not common among Africans and that EV13 arose in West Asia among West Asians. If anything Europeans who carry the EV13 marker share common ancestors with West Asians since EV13 arose among them.
That's both correct and incorrect. E-V13 did arise in West Asians. However, it specifically arose in West Asians that belonged to E-M78 in the first place. That's the clade E-V13 is a branch of, as the passage just quoted makes clear:

"it represents about 85% of the European E-M78 chromosomes with a clinal pattern of frequency distribution from the southern Balkan peninsula (19.6%) to western Europe (2.5%)."

Out of curiousity, what lineage did you think that E-V13 branched off of if not E-M78? You also realize that the most basal and rare E-M78* paragroup has been found at its highest frequencies in North Africa, Southern Europe and the Balkans, right?
Stephen

Bronx, NY

#1399 Aug 17, 2012
pat wrote:
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That's both correct and incorrect. E-V13 did arise in West Asians. However, it specifically arose in West Asians that belonged to E-M78 in the first place. That's the clade E-V13 is a branch of, as the passage just quoted makes clear:
"it represents about 85% of the European E-M78 chromosomes with a clinal pattern of frequency distribution from the southern Balkan peninsula (19.6%) to western Europe (2.5%)."
Out of curiousity, what lineage did you think that E-V13 branched off of if not E-M78? You also realize that the most basal and rare E-M78*
paragroup has been found at its highest frequencies in North Africa, Southern Europe and the Balkans, right?
Those West Asians who belonged to E-M78 though were not Africans by the time EV13 arose in West Asia. E-M78 migrated into West Asia around 18,000 years ago meanwhile the EV13 marker didn't arise until 10,000 years ago, by the time EV13 marker arose in those West Asians they had as little ancestral connection to the Africans who carried E-M78 into West Asia as modern Europeans do who carry the EV13 marker and as little connection as Central Africans R1b carriers do to Asians. Which explains why European EV13 carriers don't cluster genetically close to North and Northeast Africans just as Central African R1b carriers don't cluster close to European R1b carriers. Different branches with different geographical migrations and chronological origins.
pat

Lasalle, Canada

#1400 Aug 17, 2012
Stephen wrote:
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Those West Asians who belonged to E-M78 though were not Africans by the time EV13 arose in West Asia. E-M78 migrated into West Asia around 18,000 years ago meanwhile the EV13 marker didn't arise until 10,000 years ago, by the time EV13 marker arose in those West Asians they had as little ancestral connection to the Africans who carried E-M78 into West Asia as modern Europeans do who carry the EV13 marker and as little connection as Central Africans R1b carriers do to Asians. Which explains why European EV13 carriers don't cluster genetically close to North and Northeast Africans just as Central African R1b carriers don't cluster close to European R1b carriers. Different branches with different geographical migrations and chronological origins.
E-M78 did not originate in West Asia. It arose in North Africa and was brought to West Asia by North African migrants. It is E-V13 that arose in West Asia within an E-M78-bearing population. Refer to Cruciani et al. 2007:

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/24/...

The analogy you draw with regard to R1b-carrying Central Africans also does not apply for a number of reasons.

1 -- R1b-carrying Central Africans do not cluster craniometrically with R1b-carrying Europeans. On the other hand, E-M78-carrying North and Northeast Africans do cluster craniometrically with E-M78-carrying Europeans and West Eurasians in general.

http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo160/bran...

2 -- R1b-carrying Central Africans do not have any appreciable quantities of West Eurasian mtDNA like R1b-carrying Europeans do. By contrast, E-M78-carrying North and Northeast Africans do have considerable quantities of West Eurasian mtDNAs like E-M78-carrying Europeans and West Eurasians in general.

3 -- R1b-carrying Central Africans do not have significant West Eurasian autosomal DNA like R1b-carrying Europeans. However, E-M78-carrying North and Northeast Africans do possess substantial West Eurasian autosomal DNA in common with E-M78-carrying Europeans and West Eurasians in general.

So based on the still existing affinities between the E-M78 bearers in Europe, West Asia and North/Northeast Africa, the E-M78 carriers that entered West Asia from North Africa were not much different from their E-M78 bearing descendants in West Asia among whom E-V13 later arose. They were already distinct from Sub-Saharan Africans.

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#1401 Aug 18, 2012
Stephen wrote:
Hehehe you even worship our Natzis. lol
oh really, before I reply let me do a few lol lol lol lol lol
history in case you know what history means, have it recorded
the following way

and the Halopgroups R, R1, G, I, T all say hail hail hail E-M35 Cush hail hail hail E-M35 Cronus

let me do a few more lol lol lol lol lol lol

E-V13s Nimrods has woken up

__
< \/ >
<--------`'>
<______>
<____>
<_/\/\_>
/`'\
"._."

E-V13 Nimrod on a White Horse with a bow Going Forth Conquering And to Conquer

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#1402 Aug 18, 2012
our Base Halopgroup E-M35 is the richest in diversity so far,
some are white you can find them in Europe, North America Latin America, Kosovars, Albanians...
others are Brown like the Egyptians, Moroccans, the Libyans Latin Americans, South Italians, Greeks, Macedonians, Kosovars, Alabanians...
while others are Blacks like the Ethiopians and Somalis to mentions some...

however as per the Oriental look that is because the Chinese have allot in common with Halopgroup E, although the Orientals or most of the Orientals are Halopgroup O, they are Descendents of Ham via Canaan son Sine.
As well the Japanese who are D, this ramification almost is non existent as it was done to differenciate them of E but they are the same as us with our same Ancestor Ham.
This is why you can see that most of the eyes of the E-V13 or E-M35s have the eagle eye or some extraforeskin above the eyes, just like the eagles, this is why in Albania we are called the sons of the Eagle.
Kosovogirl

London, UK

#1403 Aug 19, 2012
Yes it is true that haplogroup E originates in Africa, but please do not talk about the age of when it got to the Balkans cause it is still unclear. A skeleton was once found in Spain and its DNA was E v13 it was 7,000 years old. So when you guys say Ev13 is only 11,000 years old.... It could be younger or even older, most definately older. And please E v13 cannot be roman, but rather maybe Thracian. Romans used thracians as slaves, so E v13 cannot be roman. And please I would advise you guys all to stop wasting your time reading about the age of haplogroup E some say 68,000 years others 50,000 years and some 18,000 years, well it is more likely to be around 60,000 years old in north east Africa mainly ethiopia.

And haplogroup I does not originate in Balkans, Dagestan has around 58% Abkestan has 33% Iran 34% in Theran. Kurds have 16% remember IJ is the ancestor of J and I so it is possible for I to originate nears Kurdish speaking people, oh and don't forget you claim Cro-magnons were haplogroup I, well a 25,000 years old one was found in russia so haplogroup I might not have originated in Balkans after all. But I agree that I is very old in Europe.
Kosovogirl

London, UK

#1404 Aug 19, 2012
Oh and the kalasha people of Pakistan have been tested 22% L3a Haplogroup D and G is very high in kalash people remember these people are ancient macedonians that went to Pakistan with alexander the great. DE is the ancestor of E and D. But there is a lack of E and I in the kalash people

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#1405 Aug 19, 2012
Kosovogirl wrote:
Oh and the kalasha people of Pakistan have been tested 22% L3a Haplogroup D and G is very high in kalash people remember these people are ancient macedonians that went to Pakistan with alexander the great. DE is the ancestor of E and D. But there is a lack of E and I in the kalash people
I like when smart people talk
Good points Kosovo girl
:-)]
Kosovogirl

London, UK

#1406 Aug 19, 2012
No one knows the real distribution of dnas around the world or how they got there they are just speculation that's all.

And according to real books apparently Lithuanians have older European genes in Europe

You cannot say R killed of the I people in Europe cause I is still very high whereas N, G and U and E in europe are almost extinct.
Paul

Bronx, NY

#1407 Aug 19, 2012
Greeks and all other Balkan people are European and don't have Ethiopian or any sub saharan blood so they can't be ashamed of something they don't have. Greeks and all other Balkan people are white and genetically and physically as well as lingustically and cultrarly they have always been European that is why they cluster closest to other Europeans and far away from Africans and Asians.

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#1408 Aug 19, 2012
Paul wrote:
Greeks and all other Balkan people are European and don't have Ethiopian or any sub saharan blood so they can't be ashamed of something they don't have. Greeks and all other Balkan people are white and genetically and physically as well as lingustically and cultrarly they have always been European that is why they cluster closest to other Europeans and far away from Africans and Asians.
our Base Halopgroup E-M35 is the richest in diversity so far,
some are white you can find them in Europe, North America Latin America, Kosovars, Albanians...
others are Brown like the Egyptians, Moroccans, the Libyans Latin Americans, South Italians, Greeks, Macedonians, Kosovars, Alabanians...
while others are Blacks like the Ethiopians and Somalis to mentions some...

however as per the Oriental look that is because the Chinese have allot in common with Halopgroup E, although the Orientals or most of the Orientals are Halopgroup O, they are Descendents of Ham via Canaan son Sine.
As well the Japanese who are D, this ramification almost is non existent as it was done to differenciate them of E but they are the same as us with our same Ancestor Ham.
This is why you can see that most of the eyes of the E-V13 or E-M35s have the eagle eye or some extraforeskin above the eyes like Hittler , just like the eagles, this is why in Albania we are called the sons of the Eagle.
Paul

Bronx, NY

#1409 Aug 20, 2012
NeoNimrod wrote:
<quoted text>
our Base Halopgroup E-M35 is the richest in diversity so far,
some are white you can find them in Europe, North America Latin America, Kosovars, Albanians...
others are Brown like the Egyptians, Moroccans, the Libyans Latin Americans, South Italians, Greeks, Macedonians, Kosovars, Alabanians...
while others are Blacks like the Ethiopians and Somalis to mentions some...
however as per the Oriental look that is because the Chinese have allot in common with Halopgroup E, although the Orientals or most of the Orientals are Halopgroup O, they are Descendents of Ham via Canaan son Sine.
As well the Japanese who are D, this ramification almost is non existent as it was done to differenciate them of E but they are the same as us with our same Ancestor Ham.
This is why you can see that most of the eyes of the E-V13 or E-M35s have the eagle eye or some extraforeskin above the eyes like Hittler , just like the eagles, this is why in Albania we are called the sons of the Eagle.
What nonsense. Greeks, Macedonians, Kosovars, Albanians. Hitler etc are white people, they aren't brown and they look nothing like brown people, they are Europeans and being European equals being white. The Eagle is a European symbol always has been a symbol Europeans had which is why it was also adopted as the National symbol for the States. East Asians do not carry haplogroup E marker which by the way more then likely arose in West Asia since haplogroup DE arose there then back traveled into Eurasia and Africa. These people aren't related to one another which is why they cluster away from each other. Europeans carry EV13 marker and they cluster with each other. Japanese and other East Asians carry the haplogroup D marker and cluster with each other and Ethiopians carry markers common among Africans.
Kosovogirl

UK

#1410 Aug 20, 2012
Europeans are not related to Africans but the worlds population is related to one another, we are all brothers and sisters according to Adam and eve

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#1411 Aug 20, 2012
Kosovogirl wrote:
Europeans are not related to Africans but the worlds population is related to one another, we are all brothers and sisters according to Adam and eve
First of all R1 and G find in your Kkk groups the white E-M35s and worship then as gods because they are!!! Your gene R1 and G is program for that
R1 and G say hail hail hail hail hail hail E-M35
Second I know you R1 Japhetics have a limited brain power so I need to lecture about how the human body works
The MELANIN chromosome is the one that determines the color of the skin depending how much sun your body is getting assuming you are healthy
So R1 continue hailing the E-M35 among you it is your duty

Thirdly who cares how long E-V13 has been in Europe we are not justifying any of that I dont care where or what color is the E-V13 I only know its supremacism!!! That's what only matters
It only matters that E-V13 or E-M35 is Hamitic the seed if our Father Nimrod or Saturn!!!!!
Jeff

Natick, MA

#1412 Aug 20, 2012
NeoNimrod wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all R1 and G find in your Kkk groups the white E-M35s and worship then as gods because they are!!! Your gene R1 and G is program for that
R1 and G say hail hail hail hail hail hail E-M35
Second I know you R1 Japhetics have a limited brain power so I need to lecture about how the human body works
The MELANIN chromosome is the one that determines the color of the skin depending how much sun your body is getting assuming you are healthy
So R1 continue hailing the E-M35 among you it is your duty
Thirdly who cares how long E-V13 has been in Europe we are not justifying any of that I dont care where or what color is the E-V13 I only know its supremacism!!! That's what only matters
It only matters that E-V13 or E-M35 is Hamitic the seed if our Father Nimrod or Saturn!!!!!
Give it a rest 'Marko' or 'Mark' or whatever other dubious username you use next. EV13 marker is a EUROPEAN marker, it is not connected to any ridiculous fictitious 'Hamatic','Japhetics' and whatever other bogus biblical terms of people that never existed you use next. Stop trying to connect Biblical fictional characters with HISTORY and SCIENCE. They don't mix. There is NO people on this planet who have 'Hamatic','Japhetics','Shemite s', etc on their Passport or ID cards or as NATIONAL identities cause these are ALL fictional biblical characters that is it.

EV13 is a European marker that is UNCOMMON among you Africans since it didn't arise among Africans.

"The low E-V13 frequency (0.9%) and microsatellite variance (0.13) in northern Africa do not support an antiquity greater than in western Asia. Thus, E-V13 originated in western Asia about 11 ky ago, and its presence in northern Africa is the result of a more recent introgression. E-V13 chromosomes sampled in western Asia and their coalescence estimate detect a likely Paleolithic exit out of Africa of E-M78 chromosomes ---> DEVOID <--- of the V13 mutation, which later occurred somewhere in the Near East/Anatolia."

"In Africa, haplogroup E-V13 is rare, being observed only in northern Africa at a low frequency (0.9%)." ~ Cruciani et al.(2007

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#1413 Aug 20, 2012
A) there are 3 main different sets of people
1) Semites (Jews and Arabs genes I J)
2) Japhethics( Caucasians genes R Q G native Americans are Q)
3) Hamitics ( Egyptians Ethiopians, Greeks Romans Japanese gene E and D)

E is Ham father also of Canaan one of his children
Is Sine or gene O the Chinese gene

The Comon ancestor here will be Ham

:-)]
we the E-V13 are gods!!!!
Nimrod and the New World Order is here!!!
Jeff

Natick, MA

#1414 Aug 20, 2012
NeoNimrod wrote:
A) there are 3 main different sets of people
1) Semites (Jews and Arabs genes I J)
2) Japhethics( Caucasians genes R Q G native Americans are Q)
3) Hamitics ( Egyptians Ethiopians, Greeks Romans Japanese gene E and D)
E is Ham father also of Canaan one of his children
Is Sine or gene O the Chinese gene
The Comon ancestor here will be Ham
:-)]
we the E-V13 are gods!!!!
Nimrod and the New World Order is here!!!
Stop trying to connect Biblical fictional characters with HISTORY and SCIENCE. They don't mix. There is NO people on this planet who have 'Hamatic','Japhetics','Shemite s', etc on their Passport or ID cards or as NATIONAL identities cause these are ALL fictional biblical characters that is it.

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#1415 Aug 20, 2012
my friend look around the world around you it is ruled by the Hamitic E-V13 the whole world is under the E-V13 Dominion !
Nimrod rules and his seed rules!!

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#1416 Aug 20, 2012
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>Stop trying to connect Biblical fictional characters with HISTORY and SCIENCE. They don't mix. There is NO people on this planet who have 'Hamatic','Japhetics','Shemite s', etc on their Passport or ID cards or as NATIONAL identities cause these are ALL fictional biblical characters that is it.
so Jeff seems you like genetics

So are cheating along Halopgroup and his seed

Halopgroups R G T P Hail hail hail hail hail hail s-x hail hail hail hail hail hail s-x hail hail hail hail hail hail s-x E-M35 and other Halopgroups say Amen

If not you should that's what your seed were born to do
Jeff

Natick, MA

#1417 Aug 20, 2012
NeoNimrod wrote:
my friend look around the world around you it is ruled by the Hamitic E-V13 the whole world is under the E-V13 Dominion !
Nimrod rules and his seed rules!!
There is no such thing as 'nimrod' you foolish person, and "Nimrod" is a slang term meaning "idiot, jerk". Stop trying to connect Biblical fictional characters with HISTORY and SCIENCE. They don't mix. There is NO people on this planet who have 'Hamatic','Japhetics','Shemite s', etc on their Passport or ID cards or as NATIONAL identities cause these are ALL fictional biblical characters that is it.

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