non muslims convert to muslims "ALLAH Akber"

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big boy wrote:

why will i be in trouble because i believe in the true religen christanity?

The fact that you don't know just shows how absurd your story is. Give us all a small break. If you don't like Islam fine, but many of us do and don't appreciate your words. Thank you.

big boy wrote:

why will i be in trouble because i believe in the true religen christanity?

Really where are you originally from?
When did u leave ur native country?

i was born in america i am egyption.. i live in jersey city new jersey so..

waterproof eyeliner wrote:

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I really am not sure what you mean.
I think different people believe different things and I respect everyone's right to believe and worship as they see correct.
One side of my family are still Christians and my other side are Muslims, my daughters are Muslims, my husband. I have enormous respect for my mother and father who are still Christians, I simply took a different road.

waterproof'

i would like to speak to you some time on msn or something...i dont want to put my contact info on here so i am not sure exactly how but if u have a way let me know

thanksyou

You can speak to me here, nobody would really pay any attention and they don't know who we are. ;)

waterproof eyeliner wrote:

You can speak to me here, nobody would really pay any attention and they don't know who we are. ;)

here is my question for you waterproof. I have married a muslim man. I love him. I want to discover his religion but as i am studying there r many things i agree with but many i cannot come to terms with. these ways are old ways of thinking for me and i just cant accept them. I beleive in living a good moral life, refraining from sin but the quaran discusses every little aspect of life and how to deal with it but for me somethings i could not deal with in these manners such as divorce and mens rights to marry more than 1 woman (my husband knows i would kill if he did)....so what do i do, how do i come to terms with things that my culture has taught me different. what if i dont want to come to terms with them but i still want to convert...I am not perfect but i do want to try to lead a better life with my new husband. i think of him as a blessing in this sense, together we can make a better future.......Here there r no muslim women to discuss this with, only men...i want a womens point of view

Mad Voltage wrote:
Mohammed Altaf(Now Simon Altaf)- Pakistani ex-Muslim
www.abrahamic-faith.com
Simon Altaf is a cultist. He is involved in a polygamous cult (Your Arms To Israel) based in the USA and led by Moshe Koniuchowsky (cult leader). They are into all kinds of sexual perversions and are lewd and immoral people. Simon Altaf has proof read and endorsed the most disgusting of books called "Sex and the Believer" page 58 reads:
'A woman in fellatio,cunnilingus, or intercourse with a male concubine, or sex slave, appears to be part of YHWH's VERY liberal allowances for His female children; a way out of her frustration and neglect. Now ladies; go and find one! And don't forget to explain it to hubby'

Here’s an extract from Altaf’s letter, in which he explains why God wants him to take a second wife:
The woman’s name is Salmah, not married, single, 25, ex-Muslim, she had explicit dreams of seeing me in her bedroom holding her hands, then she saw me in her room as I am inside her body…There were other dreams but don’t challenge me because I walk closely to YHWH and He has shown His will. I know you are Mr Skeptic but I am Mr Yes Sir to YHWH.
Read full details see:
http://www.joelstrumpet.com/...
http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/w...

recently married wrote:

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here is my question for you waterproof. I have married a muslim man. I love him. I want to discover his religion but as i am studying there r many things i agree with but many i cannot come to terms with. these ways are old ways of thinking for me and i just cant accept them. I beleive in living a good moral life, refraining from sin but the quaran discusses every little aspect of life and how to deal with it but for me somethings i could not deal with in these manners such as divorce and mens rights to marry more than 1 woman (my husband knows i would kill if he did)....so what do i do, how do i come to terms with things that my culture has taught me different. what if i dont want to come to terms with them but i still want to convert...I am not perfect but i do want to try to lead a better life with my new husband. i think of him as a blessing in this sense, together we can make a better future.......Here there r no muslim women to discuss this with, only men...i want a womens point of view

First, do not convert for anybody except god and yourself. If you are not fully satisifed with Islam then do NOT do it. You would make a huge mistake. It's a complete lifestyle change, absolutely.

There are some things in Islam that some have problems with, mostly hadith, but you have to really study it and find out more. You must find out which are the weak and which are the strong hadith. As far as marriage to more than one, hardly any Muslim men really do this. The ones that DO are so rare and it's something strange. The chances of your man doing this are unlikely. BUT you have every right to state that you would not approve of this and he should be open and honest with you that he would not be interested in taking another wife in the future.

You do not have to be a Muslim to be his wife as long as you are either Christian or Jewish. Do not rush things. I read and learned about Islam almost 5 years before I converted and the day I did it I was 100% ABSOLUTELY certain that Christianity was no longer for me and that (IMO) Islam was the right way to walk. Not everybody is the same though. You have it already written what your path will be, you must follow your instincts, pray and take your time. If you convert for any other reason than for God, it is hypocritical and almost blasphemous. God knows what is in your heart, what your intent is, so go by that.

If you choose to have children with this man, you should learn everything about Islam that you can. Even if you do not convert, the children WILL BE Muslims as it is their father's religion so you should know what to expect.
Go slowly, ask a lot of questions, maybe take a class here or there if you can. If you are near a mosque, call or go in and ask if they can give hadith lessons for beginners or people just interested, they are often MORE than happy to do that. I wish you luck and may God guide you.

waterproof eyeliner wrote:

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First, do not convert for anybody except god and yourself. If you are not fully satisifed with Islam then do NOT do it. You would make a huge mistake. It's a complete lifestyle change, absolutely.
There are some things in Islam that some have problems with, mostly hadith, but you have to really study it and find out more. You must find out which are the weak and which are the strong hadith. As far as marriage to more than one, hardly any Muslim men really do this. The ones that DO are so rare and it's something strange. The chances of your man doing this are unlikely. BUT you have every right to state that you would not approve of this and he should be open and honest with you that he would not be interested in taking another wife in the future.
You do not have to be a Muslim to be his wife as long as you are either Christian or Jewish. Do not rush things. I read and learned about Islam almost 5 years before I converted and the day I did it I was 100% ABSOLUTELY certain that Christianity was no longer for me and that (IMO) Islam was the right way to walk. Not everybody is the same though. You have it already written what your path will be, you must follow your instincts, pray and take your time. If you convert for any other reason than for God, it is hypocritical and almost blasphemous. God knows what is in your heart, what your intent is, so go by that.
If you choose to have children with this man, you should learn everything about Islam that you can. Even if you do not convert, the children WILL BE Muslims as it is their father's religion so you should know what to expect.
Go slowly, ask a lot of questions, maybe take a class here or there if you can. If you are near a mosque, call or go in and ask if they can give hadith lessons for beginners or people just interested, they are often MORE than happy to do that. I wish you luck and may God guide you.

thankyou for your reply....There actually is a mosque in my city. I will be able to go there and ask anything I am sure. I discussed the extra wife thing with my husband and we agreed i would be the only one but still it is said in the quaran that it is ok so this is something that I dont agree with about islam even though i do understand why someone else might do it and I understand during times of war why it could be a positive thing. I definetly want to do this for myself. Some things about the way I live have to change and i need to have a better relitionship with GOD..I dont want to become islam for my husband but i want to use my husband to understand islam. I hope i can do this in time. Can i go to sevices without being actual muslim? They have english services here.. Also got any cultural advice for a Western girl who just married an egyptian man in a foreign country (non muslim country)and doesnt know what will be expected of her. I noticed since we got married that I will do things that my husband will disapprove of that before we were married he didnt care about such as clothing and going out to certain areas without letting him know. Please advice me. it is appreciated :)

Recently married,
It depends on the mosque, you can contact them and ask them how they feel about you going to the English Salat.
Men who take more than one wife in modern day times do it for their own benefits. It's actually (IMO) a low thing to do. Since it was first established because when Muhammad (PBUH) was told to have the Arabs have only four wives, it was because they had SO MANY at one time. It might have been difficult to say 'go from having 20 to having only one' so the allowance given was four. BUT it is also stated that they can ONLY take more than one if they can treat each one fairly. The next line is that is is practically impossible to treat EACH ONE fairly.
BTW if you do marry, you can have it put in your marriage contract that you refuse another wife besides yourself, and this would be grounds for your divorce. Also make sure the money he would have to pay you upon divorce is VERY VERY HIGH, this keeps the possibility of his breaking the promises to you to a minimum. It's not guaranteed but something to barter with.
The best advice I can give you as a Western girl thinking to marry an Egyptian man are these:
Spend as much time with him in HIS culture as you can. If you are able to live with him in his country, do it. Even if for a month or two although six month to a year would be ideal. You cannot understand the differences and they are GREAT. Learn Arabic if possible. Get close to his family. If there are those in his family who speak English, get as close to them as you can. Keep his sisters as close to you as possible, they could be your allies later on.
The biggest advice:
Do not let him stipulate to you what he 'expects'. Do not lose part of yourself in becoming his wife. If he wanted an Egyptian wife he would have married one, and in the end you have to be true to yourself. Everything he would 'like' you to do can be negotiated and he should always keep in mind that you are Western and you think differently. You must also keep in mind that being so direct and open (the way we naturally do) is considered offensive to him, so try to do it in the most delicate way as possible.
I've seen tons of Western women throwing their independence into the face of their Arab husbands thinking it makes them look stronger or better. I laugh at this. You cannot enter a cross-cultural marriage of this sort and expect that to be true. He doesn't think like western men & he does not appreciate your attempts to put yourself above him. You have to find the balance of being equal.

I find that all too often we Western women talk about equality but we really ARE NOT equal. We prefer to show the man what we can do alone, that we don't need them, that we don't need advice and help. Our biggest weakness is taking advice and help. Try taking advice from an Arab man without getting defensive. It's almost impossible.

Believe me, you are getting yourself into a situation that will be very difficult after a few years. But do not go into the relationship making him think that you will bend to his every whim. Later when you get tired of that he won't understand why you are now changing.
You can take the girl out of the West but you can't take the West out of the girl.
You can take the guy out of Egypt but you can't take Egypt out of the guy.
The only way to be successful in this union is for you both to have a lot of patience, be mature, always keep in mind that he/she is a difficult culture and do not fight dirty. Keep your arguments as non-emotional as possible and be willing to admit when you are wrong. Learning the most about each others culture is the only way to do that. I wish you luck. If it is successful it is a very rewarding union.

waterproof eyeliner wrote:

You can speak to me here, nobody would really pay any attention and they don't know who we are. ;)

waterproof i already married the egyptian man lol...but your advice is helpful and you are right i need to be myself but he is very egyptian and he needs to be himself too. Unfortunatly we dont live live in egypt or america....we live in korea so there is no living in each others cultures as I am under a contract and need to stay here for set given time....i didnt make any stipulations in the contract...i just dont believe in divorce ...maybe it was a bad idea but it is done now...thanks for the advice i defently think i will take it in regards to being myself

recently married wrote:

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waterproof i already married the egyptian man lol...but your advice is helpful and you are right i need to be myself but he is very egyptian and he needs to be himself too. Unfortunatly we dont live live in egypt or america....we live in korea so there is no living in each others cultures as I am under a contract and need to stay here for set given time....i didnt make any stipulations in the contract...i just dont believe in divorce ...maybe it was a bad idea but it is done now...thanks for the advice i defently think i will take it in regards to being myself

Do you plan to eventually go to Egypt or America?

waterproof eyeliner wrote:

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Do you plan to eventually go to Egypt or America?

the ideal plan would be to go to egypt for six months of the year and canada six months of the year. This is what we both want but we will stay in korea for 1 more year than we will decide what we will do realistically. sounds good in theory but than i wonder about employment in that sense.
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all of my egyptian friends here that are muslim are men. this makes it hard for me to have anyone to talk to about being a muslim woman because most of my concerns about converting rest on how the religion treats women and maybe if i had a woman to talk to about the subject it would be best. last night i told one of my male egyptian friends to find me a muslim woman in korea to talk to...i think this will help me alot...

American Boy wrote:

Islam was spread by the sword

While islamic conquest is a big part of its history, you must also recognise that Indonesia - the most populated muslim country today has no record of an Islamic army invading it - its primary contact with Islam was from Muslim traders from the Indian subcontinent and Arabia.

Likewise - you really thing Christianity being spread throughout the New World was peaceful? with all the robbing, plundering, raping? Once these ppl were (forcibly) converted even then their resources and treasures were stolen from them and brought back to the coloniser lands.

There are even cathedrals in Spain with gold adornments that were once used by the native mexicans for their religious rituals.

American Boy wrote:

Islam was spread by the sword

okay no problem, lets say you are right that Islam was spread by the sword ( in fact, you are completely wrong ), are nonmuslims so courd to leave their religion and be muslim just because they were afraid of a sword? This means that they had a weak faith of their previous religion.

Muslims almost certainly won't change their religion even if nonmuslims use SWORDS or something worst.

I am a convert and was hardly forced, sword or no sword.