DR to Revoke Activist's Citizenship

A-Rod wrote:

Gabiela I agreed with statement, but you have to agreed that breaking the law of a country no matter the reason is wrong.
Well,
I am Dominicano a ta la tambora.
I think that if the lady or any other person was born in Dominican Republic they should be Dominican regarless of what some people feel or think. However, I do agreed with the Dominican government that if there are any people from Any country living in the Dominican Republisc Illigaly they should be send back to their country.
Are Dominicans Racist?
Well i think that in every nation they are people that might dislike other people for whatever reason, It is not posible that all Dominicas dont like Haitins.
People need to work together to better the island situation.
" We need strong and powerful community relations programs and advocacy groups!"
However i dont think that by insulting and calling a country or people racist
help the cause.
Moreover, Dominicans Republic dont have to let the illigal Haitians in the country. Why people can understand that,

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A-rod, correct, breaking the law of a country, no matter what the reason is wrong. And I too totally agree that the Dominican government should deport anyone from ANY country who is living in the D.R. illegally. Yes, they should be sent back to their native, home country. True, people need to work together to better the island situation. However, let's please be honest.---- Santo Domingo has ALWAYS negotiated and bargained in good faith (VERY good faith if I may add). Port-au-Prince has NEVER negotiated nor bargained in good faith and they have NEVER held up their share --- part of the bargain. And yes, we need strong and powerful community relations programs and advocacy groups. However, the CRITICAL thing is what type of community relations programs and/or advocacy groups are need??---- Answer.---- The ones which are NEEDED are rightwing conservative PRO-Dominican ones. Ones which FAVOR Dominicans OVER illegal Haitians. Ones which FAVOR Santo Domingo OVER Port-au-Prince. And yes, when peole (ESPECIALLY leftists and ESPECIALLY leftwing Haitians) insult and/or call a country (the D.R.) and/or a people (Dominicans) racist, this sure doesn't help the "Haitian cause", etc.. And yes, the D.R. doesn't have to let illegal Haitians in. GOD NO!! ABSOLUTELY NOT!! Now, you ask,---- "why can't people understand that".---- Well A-rod, to be honest with you, there are A LOT of people throughout the globe (especially in America, Europe and Latin America) who TRULY DON'T want to nor do they care to hear the Dominican position. THEY have a leftwing, pro-Haitian, anti-Dominican position --- stance and agenda. And THAT is MAIN reason why A LOT of people TRULY DON'T want to "get it --- understand". And the International leftwing (liberals, socialists (Socialist International), communists, anarchists, etc.)) have taken this leftwing, pro-Haitian, anti-Dominican position --- stance and agenda begining right around the time when Bosch was defeated back in 1966.

pepe32 wrote:

Dominican LAW states that if Sonia Pierre was born while her parents were in my country illegally she is not legally Dominican and since the Haitian constitution also states that anyone born o Haitian parents anywhere is automatically a Haitian citizen she is a Haitian citizen and that it!
Second of all how can King Ahzi affirm that she is in fact a Dominican citizen when i am sure he has no idea of what happened and surely has not seen her documentation...that's means you all think with the wrong organ!
My country has the sovereign right to allow or reject WHOMEVER we wish to reject and non Dominicans have no say at all in this matter.

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Pepe, you are ABSOLUTELY correct about Dominican law as well as Haitian law. And you are absolutely correct about the D.R. having sovereign rights to allow or to reject whomever the D.R. wishes to reject. And yes, non-Dominicans have no say at all in this matter.

pepe32 wrote:

To Gabriela being on one island means nothing because we are 2 separate nations with a very bad history of relations between us so let the Haitians fix their own problems because we have enough to deal with in my country.
I seriously hope you are not Dominican because any Dominican that supports unification with Haiti is a traitor and deserves to be taken to la puerta del Conde and shot by firing squad!

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Pepe, correct, being on one island means NOTHING because we are two separate nations with a very bad history of relations between us. And yes, Dominicans should just let the Haitians fix THEIR OWN problems because the D.R. has enough problems to deal with. However Pepe, you KNOW as well as I KNOW that it is SO MUCH easier for Port-au-Prince to dump the Haitian underclass --- lowclass onto Dominican society. And I TOTALLY agree with you about what should be done with --- to Dominican traitors. ESPECIALLY leftwing Dominican traitors. You know Pepe, I TRULY DON'T mean to stray from the topic at hand nor to go to a different region. But the GREAT rightwing Salvadoran leader Roberto D'Aubuisson said it PERFECTLY back in the late 1970s and early 1980s.---- The ONLY way to "deal with --- counter" leftwing supporters of the FMLN (Farabundo Marti National Liberation Front) is to show NO mercy, "hunt" them down and "neutralize" them using "cell units" of "hit teams" as well as informants. And the GREAT "Los Pepes" (People Persecuted by Pablo Escobar)--- Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia (AUC)employed VERY effective "measures" against the Medellin Cartel as well as against the leftwing Marxist rebels of the FARC and ELN as well as against their supporters.

antonio el negro wrote:

and what about illegal dominicans in puerto rico or the states? man, u guys r no better than no one else. quit denying your african blood, because you sound so stupid when you say you dont have black blood in you...to everyone across the globe,including your fellow latinos.(lavado el cerebro!)<quoted text>

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Antonio, first off, there is NO comparison of underclass, lowclass Haitians who are living illegally within the D.R. to that of Dominican undocumented people who are living within the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and/or the continental United States. Furthermore, NO one is denying african ancestry. Hey Antonio, with all due respect, you NEED to show loyalty to the Dominican cause. You SHOULDN'T be catering to underclass, lowclass Haitians who are living illegally within the Dominican Republic.

King Ahzi wrote:

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This is very sad and i myself did have to re-read the story. All comments and jokes aside. The DR and all nations which have a legacy of slavery in which thier is a viable amount of blacks, mullattos need to stop the senseless beefing. This is only my personal opinion and doesn`t have too apply to anyone else. I`m a mut and i believe A-rod is pretty mixed himself. After choping it up with him i can understand where he is coming from and if he`s mullato in my eyes i see him as a blackman (that`s just me though) and if the shit hits the fan i do believe that the majority of Dominicans wll ride with black folk regardless of nationality. All this bickering and fighting on the island really does sadden me when i step into the DR or the hatian forums. Maybe becasuse my pops is Nigerian and my mom is Afro-Brasilan but can trace her roots also to Nigera, that i have a more pro-black view on this issue but i look at Domincans the same way i look at hatians which is i love em both but the only difference is that ya`ll got froped off on diffrent sides on the same island. I wish all my Black/Blacktinos so much love and prosperity that i oray for it no matter how much i might make funny comments. GOD BLESS...... This message will self-destruct in .04 seconds

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King, correct, most Dominicans do have african ancestry. Now, first off, Dominicans AREN'T beefing with Haitians. Dominicans have ALWAYS acted and bargained in good faith (VERY good faith if I may add)with the Haitians. However, TRAGICALLY, Haitians HAVEN'T acted nor bargained in good faith with Dominicans. What do you mean by "when the s--t hits the fan"??---- Mind if I say, NOTHING is going to "hit the fan". There is NO race -- ethnic war about to jump off, etc.. Hey, I TOO am saddened. I, my family, friends and acquaintences are ALL VERY saddened
about ALL the unproductive, underclass, lowclass Haitians who are throughout the D.R.. Cool about your father being Nigerian. Actually I know several Nigerians up here (primarily Ibos)and they are all very cool. And I'm glad to hear that you love Dominicans. Mind if I say though, you SHOULD King.

boum wrote:

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Great post, Gabriela, great post.
What we need is to get rid of the CROOKS!

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Boum, correct, crooks do need to be gotten rid of. However, mind if I say though, it is WAY easier said than done. Now, MOST of the crooks within both the D.R. and Haiti are leftists (leftist politicians, leftist journalists, leftist university professors, leftist judges, leftist union workers, leftist "human rights workers", etc.). Now Haiti is PLAGUED by WAY MORE crooks than what the D.R. is plagued by. Now, the BEST and MOST IDEAL scenario for BOTH the D.R. and Haiti, is for the D.R. to have a VERY strong, rightwing conservative government which PROTECTS AND REPRESENTS Dominicans FIRST AND FOREMOST ABOVE the lowclass, unproductive Haitians who are living illegally throughout the D.R.. And the BEST and MOST IDEAL scenario would be for the Haitian government to quit dumping ALL these lowclass, underclass Haitians onto the D.R.. And the Haitian government SHOULD TRULY start making determined attempts to improve the living conditions throughout Haiti (improving sanitation, improving education (reducing illiteracy), improving food cultivation, improving housing, improving roads,improving the illegitimate birth rates of Haitian women, etc.). However, the MOST CRITICAL thing for the D.R.s future is for Haiti to have a government which is loyal ---- subservient (a Haitian rightwing, conservative government) to the government in Santo Domingo (to the Dominican government). And under ANY AND ALL circumstances and by WHATEVER means necessary, the D.R. MUST prevent Haiti from going the way of Cuba (leftwing communist) and/or Venezuela (radical left).

Pepe32 wrote:

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Ivy,your whole theory is based on a presumption that can be refuted with 2 words...Elvira Arellano!
Sonia Pierre and people like her think that they have rights based on what they want not what is really in the law books and again this is a purely Dominican issue made much larger by outsiders with an agenda which if we can help it will not be achieved.
Pepe

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Pepe, VERY good point and analogy about Elvira
Arellano. And you are correct about Sonia Pierre and people like her (aka/ala --- leftists) think --- feel that they have rights based upon what THEY WANT, and NOT what is REALLY in the law books. And yes, THIS is a DOMINICAN ISSUE. Well, at least it SHOULD be a Dominican ISSUE. However, AGAIN, the International leftwing (liberals, socialists, communists and anarchists) are getting involved ---- sticking their noses into it. And yes, TRAGICALLY, this "issue" has been made larger (A LOT larger at that) by outsiders (by outside leftwing agitators) who DO have an agenda (a VERY biased, slanted and prejudiced leftwing agenda) which if us Dominicans can help it, this anti-Dominican agenda will NOT be achieved. Hey Pepe, clearly, these outsiders who are pushing this anti-Dominican agenda are leftists. TRAGICALLY, since the 1960s, the International leftwing (liberals, socialists, communists and anarchists) have taken the side of the Haitians OVER the Dominicans. TRAGICALLY, the International leftwing has viewed and they continue to view and consider the Haitians to be the "oppressed minority". And the leftwing considers the Dominicans to be the "ultimate perpetrators" and/or evil.

Dominican Pride wrote:

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Tom, it doesn't matter how much you explain this to these people, they just don't listen, they don't want to.
Their happiness will come when they see both our countries destroyed.
That's the Haitian nature, destroy, plunder depredate the environment, when everything is a desolated landscape like their share of the island is, then they say "God will provide".
Oh my God, save our island for it’s future is uncertain.

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Dominican, good point. Hey Dominican, clearly, one should judge people on an individual basis rather than by "group dynamics". However, one TRULY CAN'T be naive to "group dynamics" (aka/ala ---- about Haitian behavior, actions and/or attitudes, etc.). Furthermore, you, as well as I KNOW that Dominicans are NOT racist. And being racially and/or ethnically aware is NOT racist. It is just being REALISTIC. And pointing out FACTS and telling it like it is about Haitians (aka/ala --- about Haitian criminal behavior, illegal immigration to the D.R., etc.) is NOT racist. It is the TRUTH. Now, yes, it does seem that a lot of Haitians just don't listen and that they (Haitians) don't want to listen. Yes, unfortunately, it TRULY does seem this way. And yes, it truly does seem that their happiness (a lot of Haitians) will come when they see both our countries destroyed. And yes, it truly seems that the "Haitian nature" is to destroy, plunder and depredate the environment. And yes, it truly seems that when everything is a desolated landscape like what their share of the island is, a lot of Haitians will say ------ "God will provide". Oh Dominican, I TRULY "feel you" when you say ----"Oh my God, save our island for its future is uncertain". Hey Dominican, I'm sure that you KNOW that the MOST CRITICAL thing for Dominicans is for them to realize how CRITICAL the future of the survival of the D.R. is with the nearly 2 million underclass, lowclass Haitians who are living illegally throughout the D.R.. EVERY Dominican MUST REALIZE the VERY SERIOUS DANGER!! And EVERY Dominican SHOULD AND MUST vote for rightwing, conservative Dominican candidates who speak for and represent Dominican interests --- well being. Dominicans MUST NOT vote for leftwing candidates who DON'T speak for nor represent the Dominican people. Leftwing Dominican candidates as well as leftwing Haitian candidates DON'T speak for nor represent Dominicans. PERIOD!! Leftwing Dominican as well as leftwing Haitian candidates speak for and represent the lowclass, underclass Haitians who are living illegally throughout the Dominican Republic. Dominican, the MOST CRITICAL thing is to look out for our children, grandchildren and great grandchildrens future. We must secure the existence of OUR people and a future for Dominican children.

rican momma wrote:

YEAH AND DOMIS WANNA BE RICANS.... THATS WHY IN PR U WIPE OUR ASSES AND WORK LIKE SLAVES THEN GET DEPORTED THE HELL OUT.. YALL A BUNCH OF BLACK MULLATOS WANTING TO BE SOMETHING YALL AINT.. HIP HOP TO THAT SUCKAS CORNY ASS M**** F****

So what are you doing fornicating with white man KKK in Washington? Loving it through the rear end or is he opening your upper hole and dropping his discharge? I know you love semen derived burgers!

Onde Vert wrote:

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So what are you doing fornicating with white man KKK in Washington? Loving it through the rear end or is he opening your upper hole and dropping his discharge? I know you love semen derived burgers!

Looks like you just got put in your place. I didn't know you wiped Puerto Rican ass Green wave.

rican momma wrote:

YEAH AND DOMIS WANNA BE RICANS.... THATS WHY IN PR U WIPE OUR ASSES AND WORK LIKE SLAVES THEN GET DEPORTED THE HELL OUT.. YALL A BUNCH OF BLACK MULLATOS WANTING TO BE SOMETHING YALL AINT.. HIP HOP TO THAT SUCKAS CORNY ASS M**** F****

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Rican momma, how the heck do you come up with ---"Dominicans wanna be Ricans"?? Now, I do acknowledge that very poor &/or working class Dominican "illegals" have migrated to Puerto Rico. And I do acknowledge that some of these Dominicans have put "strains" upon Puerto Ricos social services, etc.. But MOST Dominicans are a VERY honorable & classy people. Furthermore, MOST Dominicans are VERY hard working, decent, law abiding people who TRULY value & cherish work ethic, family values, morals, decency, education & law & order. You say "That is why in Puerto Rico you wipe our a---s & work like slaves then get deported the hell out".--- Hey, this is VERY un-Christian on your part to be "gloating" over this. You SHOULD have WAY MORE compassion for poor &/or "working class" Dominicans. You REALLY sound like a MAJOR, BIG TIME, lowclass Rican bigot -- racist. Smh. You say "Y'all a bunch of black mulattos wanting to be something y'all aint".--- How the heck do you come up with this?? Dominicans KNOW their ancestry & Dominicans are NOT trying to be "White". Hey Rican momma, you sound like a Rican "version" of the KKK &/or Aryan Nations. Smh. Furthermore, MANY Ricans also have african ancestry. And if Puerto Rico didn't have Commonwealth status with the United States, Puerto Rico would have WAY, WAY, WAY more problems than what Puerto Rico already has. And even Puerto Ricans who want "independence" from America hardly have ANY support within Puerto Rico. The Independence Party of P.R. gets under 5% of the vote in EVERY one of Puerto Ricos elections. Subsequently, MOST Puerto Ricans KNOW that Puerto Rico CAN'T "go at it alone" (aka/ala --- do well on its own "independent"). And if P.R. would "ever" get independence, P.R. would experience A LOT of civil strife between its different & various factions. In addition, leftist Puerto Rican organizations such as the FALN &/or Los Macheteros would NEVER be allowed to exist in the D.R. &/or Haiti. Furthermore, FALN &/or Los Macheteros would NEVER be allowed to exist in Jamaica, Trinidad &/or Grenada. And let's see, FALN &/or Los Macheteros has around 150 "active member" with maybe a couple thousand "supporters". Whereas Dominican & Haitian Rightwing paramilitaries number in the hundreds of thousands comprising hundreds of thousands of "foot soldiers" & informants. Furthermore, the Dominican & Haitian Rightwing paramilitaries have "war chests" with practically UNLIMITED financial resources which could "buy out" ANY & ALL Puerto Rican organizations. Oh, one last point, the Dominican & Haitian Rightwing paramilitaries have the FULL backing of Washington D.C.(CIA), London (MI6) & Tel Aviv (Mossad).