DR to Revoke Activist's Citizenship

There is not dough in my mind that this lady is Haitian and does not bear any love in her heart for the Dominican Republic.
The fact of the matter is that we are a poor country with more than one million Haitians, most of them illegal.
Instead of damaging the image of our country, she should go to her country and try to rebuild and preserved whatever is left.
If I were the one deciding,and since we are so inhuman with the Haitians,I send her and the human rights groups back to Haiti and never let them come back again.
Dominicans are not racists, all colors are melted in the common pride of being Dominicans, we do not have blacks or whites in our nation just Dominicans; The problem with the Haitians is that they are not Dominicans.
The powerful nations should realized that instead of solving a problem they are creating a huge one by planting more resentment between two nations that were in the process of healing from the past, and we the true Dominicans will not accept the integration. However, we are always willing to help, if there is respect for each others territory.

In response to Rafael P E, what you are suggesting is the same thing the United State Government is attempting to do with all immigrants in the United States; Perhaps, I should say, Immigrant who are minority and don't make much money.

I agree that both countries are in dire need of economic relief, but the fact stands that we share a tiny island. We are all looking for a 'better' way of living, and for Haitians, DR represents that 'better' way of living.

The solutions is to get rid of crooks within the Dominican & Haitian governments. We need strong and powerful community relations programs and advocacy groups!

Gabiela I agreed with statement, but you have to agreed that breaking the law of a country no matter the reason is wrong.

Well,
I am Dominicano a ta la tambora.
I think that if the lady or any other person was born in Dominican Republic they should be Dominican regarless of what some people feel or think. However, I do agreed with the Dominican government that if there are any people from Any country living in the Dominican Republisc Illigaly they should be send back to their country.

Are Dominicans Racist?
Well i think that in every nation they are people that might dislike other people for whatever reason, It is not posible that all Dominicas dont like Haitins.

People need to work together to better the island situation.

" We need strong and powerful community relations programs and advocacy groups!"

However i dont think that by insulting and calling a country or people racist
help the cause.

Moreover, Dominicans Republic dont have to let the illigal Haitians in the country. Why people can understand that,

How is it Racism when the majority of Dominicans are black or mulatto. Dominicans understand this. Go to Spain like i have and really see if you guys are truly latin and see what your former masters say

King Ahzi wrote:

How is it Racism when the majority of Dominicans are black or mulatto. Dominicans understand this. Go to Spain like i have and really see if you guys are truly latin and see what your former masters say

King Ahzi you want to change a way of thinking overnight that took centuries to establish. It is not going to happen automatically. Change happens over time. You were raised to feel a sense of pride and so was I and no one can take that away from us but they weren't raised that way and change is never easy even if not changing can lead to ones own derision. People can only strive to educate themselves and live better. I agree with your line of thinking but it will take a lot of time. I don't know about over in DR but in the U.S. I believe some people are beginning to see the light. Also, if Sonia Pierre was born in the Dominican Republic, then she deserves to get a birth certificate no matter where her parents were born, point blank. If she was not, then she doesn't get a birth certificate that indicate she was born in DR and is in fact a dominican. If the country wants to find a way to get rid of a rabble rouser (that would be Sonia) then, they have found the means by which to expel her (if Sonia has been living in DR illegally). Sonia would have acted stupidly if she is not a dominican citizen or legal resident. She knows that there is a problem with her haitian background and the darkness of her skin and yet she put herself in the forefront. She should have been working behind the scenes like a puppet master, not up front where she could be expelled from the country if not there legally, leaving her without the ability to do anything for the people left behind. This is why I am thinking that she was born in DR and maybe papers are being shuffeled and records are being lost and tossed, so no proof of her birth place is evident. Who would be that stupid to not be in a place legally and put themselves so squarely in the government's sight.

King Ahzi wrote:

How is it Racism when the majority of Dominicans are black or mulatto. Dominicans understand this. Go to Spain like i have and really see if you guys are truly latin and see what your former masters say

Scratch the last have of what I said. I went back and re-read. They want to take away this woman's citizenship based on her parents' illegal status. They are really stretching. Sonia was born in the DR so she is Dominican. I guess the government can write the rules while they drink coffee.

Dominican LAW states that if Sonia Pierre was born while her parents were in my country illegally she is not legally Dominican and since the Haitian constitution also states that anyone born o Haitian parents anywhere is automatically a Haitian citizen she is a Haitian citizen and that it!

Second of all how can King Ahzi affirm that she is in fact a Dominican citizen when i am sure he has no idea of what happened and surely has not seen her documentation...that's means you all think with the wrong organ!

My country has the sovereign right to allow or reject WHOMEVER we wish to reject and non Dominicans have no say at all in this matter.

To Gabriela being on one island means nothing because we are 2 separate nations with a very bad history of relations between us so let the Haitians fix their own problems because we have enough to deal with in my country.

I seriously hope you are not Dominican because any Dominican that supports unification with Haiti is a traitor and deserves to be taken to la puerta del Conde and shot by firing squad!

and what about illegal dominicans in puerto rico or the states? man, u guys r no better than no one else. quit denying your african blood, because you sound so stupid when you say you dont have black blood in you...to everyone across the globe,including your fellow latinos.(lavado el cerebro!)

A-Rod wrote:

Gabiela I agreed with statement, but you have to agreed that breaking the law of a country no matter the reason is wrong.
Well,
I am Dominicano a ta la tambora.
I think that if the lady or any other person was born in Dominican Republic they should be Dominican regarless of what some people feel or think. However, I do agreed with the Dominican government that if there are any people from Any country living in the Dominican Republisc Illigaly they should be send back to their country.
Are Dominicans Racist?
Well i think that in every nation they are people that might dislike other people for whatever reason, It is not posible that all Dominicas dont like Haitins.
People need to work together to better the island situation.
" We need strong and powerful community relations programs and advocacy groups!"
However i dont think that by insulting and calling a country or people racist
help the cause.
Moreover, Dominicans Republic dont have to let the illigal Haitians in the country. Why people can understand that,

Ivy1 wrote:

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Scratch the last have of what I said. I went back and re-read. They want to take away this woman's citizenship based on her parents' illegal status. They are really stretching. Sonia was born in the DR so she is Dominican. I guess the government can write the rules while they drink coffee.

This is very sad and i myself did have to re-read the story. All comments and jokes aside. The DR and all nations which have a legacy of slavery in which thier is a viable amount of blacks, mullattos need to stop the senseless beefing. This is only my personal opinion and doesn`t have too apply to anyone else. I`m a mut and i believe A-rod is pretty mixed himself. After choping it up with him i can understand where he is coming from and if he`s mullato in my eyes i see him as a blackman (that`s just me though) and if the shit hits the fan i do believe that the majority of Dominicans wll ride with black folk regardless of nationality. All this bickering and fighting on the island really does sadden me when i step into the DR or the hatian forums. Maybe becasuse my pops is Nigerian and my mom is Afro-Brasilan but can trace her roots also to Nigera, that i have a more pro-black view on this issue but i look at Domincans the same way i look at hatians which is i love em both but the only difference is that ya`ll got froped off on diffrent sides on the same island. I wish all my Black/Blacktinos so much love and prosperity that i oray for it no matter how much i might make funny comments. GOD BLESS...... This message will self-destruct in .04 seconds

Gabriela wrote:

In response to Rafael P E, what you are suggesting is the same thing the United State Government is attempting to do with all immigrants in the United States; Perhaps, I should say, Immigrant who are minority and don't make much money.
I agree that both countries are in dire need of economic relief, but the fact stands that we share a tiny island. We are all looking for a 'better' way of living, and for Haitians, DR represents that 'better' way of living.
The solutions is to get rid of crooks within the Dominican & Haitian governments. We need strong and powerful community relations programs and advocacy groups!

Great post, Gabriela, great post.

What we need is to get rid of the CROOKS!

Ivy1 wrote:

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King Ahzi you want to change a way of thinking overnight that took centuries to establish. It is not going to happen automatically. Change happens over time. You were raised to feel a sense of pride and so was I and no one can take that away from us but they weren't raised that way and change is never easy even if not changing can lead to ones own derision. People can only strive to educate themselves and live better. I agree with your line of thinking but it will take a lot of time. I don't know about over in DR but in the U.S. I believe some people are beginning to see the light. Also, if Sonia Pierre was born in the Dominican Republic, then she deserves to get a birth certificate no matter where her parents were born, point blank. If she was not, then she doesn't get a birth certificate that indicate she was born in DR and is in fact a dominican. If the country wants to find a way to get rid of a rabble rouser (that would be Sonia) then, they have found the means by which to expel her (if Sonia has been living in DR illegally). Sonia would have acted stupidly if she is not a dominican citizen or legal resident. She knows that there is a problem with her haitian background and the darkness of her skin and yet she put herself in the forefront. She should have been working behind the scenes like a puppet master, not up front where she could be expelled from the country if not there legally, leaving her without the ability to do anything for the people left behind. This is why I am thinking that she was born in DR and maybe papers are being shuffeled and records are being lost and tossed, so no proof of her birth place is evident. Who would be that stupid to not be in a place legally and put themselves so squarely in the government's sight.

Ivy,your whole theory is based on a presumption that can be refuted with 2 words...Elvira Arellano!

Sonia Pierre and people like her think that they have rights based on what they want not what is really in the law books and again this is a purely Dominican issue made much larger by outsiders with an agenda which if we can help it will not be achieved.

Pepe

The Haitian Problem is not the poorness. The poorness come from other factors, the problem is in their

culture. I'm sorry to say it, I know that hurt, but is true.

Our land Dominican Rep. is a undeveloped country, but we don´t need to raze our forest for cooking, that`s

the worst think could happen to a country. That is a culture problem and you haitians need a lot of years to

understand your own problem.

On a rock can´t grow rice or potatoes!!!. THAT IS "THE INCOVENIENT TRUTH" and not other as Al Gore says in

his documentary:

"As you can see on this satellite view this incredible difference: Haiti look totally red and Dominican

Republic is Blue just from the borderline. That´s because Haiti use the charcoal as combustible and they

have razed their forest, they have devastated their own vegetal cap and they don' t replace the trees they

cut down, the 70% of the rivers have been dried. Instead Dominican Republic have a rigurous political of

protection of parks and trees, for that rason D.R has keeped this "insurance policy".

The haitians are continuously complaining in the U.N., International Journals, in TV shows in USA, and in

everywhere of the world saying that in Dominican Republic we treat them as slaves.

But all our hospitals in the borderline are full of Haitians that come to give birth totally free without

show any document. In D. R. the dominican manpower in minor works has been practically replaced by haitians

as agricultors, security in buildings, fruit vendors, bricklayer, sugar cane cutter, plumber, also in

tourism as receptionists or taxi drivers. Do you call this racism ?, The Haitian are accepted in our

schools totally free without birth certificated. And you say we are racists ?. In one our universities of

Santiago and Santo Domingo the haitian students are accepted with the same rights of dominicans. What you

say ? racism ?

According as a study made by the University of Santo Domingo the 91% of the haitians in D.R are illegals.

Yes, sir without any documents and my country have the soberan right of deporting the illegal inmigrants, as

the USA deport mexicans, colombians, purivians, dominican illegals.....but we don´t do it.

We have learned accepting waves of illegal haitians because we need them on some jobs, and they are very

good workers but that feeling can change with the time for a simple reason and that can be very dangerous :

The Dominicans are known in the world because our big hospitality, this is one reason that we are the

destination number one in the Caribbean. In the same way there´s nothing the Dominican hate more that the

Ingratitude.

I think , the Haitians must bless and kiss our land, because we are the only country that has really help in

them horrible misery and our presidents are constantly requesting help for haiti in international forums.

A Council :
Haitians, don`t cut the only hand that feed you, as you cut your trees.

I Think the only salvation for the Haitians is the Tourism, because you still have beautifull landscapes and

incredibles white sand beaches but your politics, your corrupt politics don´t belive in tourism either, they

belive in anarchy and robbery

TOM TOM: Again, I "feel" what you're saying, but, you are generalizing a little too much (my opinion).

I have yet to see a LARGE group of Haitians complaining to the media(definitely not on Haitian media), to the UN and international media about their situation in DR.

You seem to be intelligent. Just recognize propaganda and "agenda" when you see it.

There are actors in the background that you will never see.

TomTomCrazy wrote:

The Haitian Problem is not the poorness. The poorness come from other factors, the problem is in their
culture. I'm sorry to say it, I know that hurt, but is true.
Our land Dominican Rep. is a undeveloped country, but we don´t need to raze our forest for cooking, that`s
the worst think could happen to a country. That is a culture problem and you haitians need a lot of years to
understand your own problem.
On a rock can´t grow rice or potatoes!!!. THAT IS "THE INCOVENIENT TRUTH" and not other as Al Gore says in
his documentary:
"As you can see on this satellite view this incredible difference: Haiti look totally red and Dominican
Republic is Blue just from the borderline. That´s because Haiti use the charcoal as combustible and they
have razed their forest, they have devastated their own vegetal cap and they don' t replace the trees they
cut down, the 70% of the rivers have been dried. Instead Dominican Republic have a rigurous political of
protection of parks and trees, for that rason D.R has keeped this "insurance policy".
The haitians are continuously complaining in the U.N., International Journals, in TV shows in USA, and in
everywhere of the world saying that in Dominican Republic we treat them as slaves.
But all our hospitals in the borderline are full of Haitians that come to give birth totally free without
show any document. In D. R. the dominican manpower in minor works has been practically replaced by haitians
as agricultors, security in buildings, fruit vendors, bricklayer, sugar cane cutter, plumber, also in
tourism as receptionists or taxi drivers. Do you call this racism ?, The Haitian are accepted in our
schools totally free without birth certificated. And you say we are racists ?. In one our universities of
Santiago and Santo Domingo the haitian students are accepted with the same rights of dominicans. What you
say ? racism ?
According as a study made by the University of Santo Domingo the 91% of the haitians in D.R are illegals.
Yes, sir without any documents and my country have the soberan right of deporting the illegal inmigrants, as
the USA deport mexicans, colombians, purivians, dominican illegals.....but we don´t do it.
We have learned accepting waves of illegal haitians because we need them on some jobs, and they are very
good workers but that feeling can change with the time for a simple reason and that can be very dangerous :
The Dominicans are known in the world because our big hospitality, this is one reason that we are the
destination number one in the Caribbean. In the same way there´s nothing the Dominican hate more that the
Ingratitude.
I think , the Haitians must bless and kiss our land, because we are the only country that has really help in
them horrible misery and our presidents are constantly requesting help for haiti in international forums.
A Council :
Haitians, don`t cut the only hand that feed you, as you cut your trees.
I Think the only salvation for the Haitians is the Tourism, because you still have beautifull landscapes and
incredibles white sand beaches but your politics, your corrupt politics don´t belive in tourism either, they
belive in anarchy and robbery

Tom, it doesn't matter how much you explain this to these people, they just don't listen, they don't want to.

Their happiness will come when they see both our countries destroyed.

That's the Haitian nature, destroy, plunder depredate the environment, when everything is a desolated landscape like their share of the island is, then they say "God will provide".

Oh my God, save our island for it’s future is uncertain.

Dominican Pride wrote:

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Tom, it doesn't matter how much you explain this to these people, they just don't listen, they don't want to.
Their happiness will come when they see both our countries destroyed.
That's the Haitian nature, destroy, plunder depredate the environment, when everything is a desolated landscape like their share of the island is, then they say "God will provide".
Oh my God, save our island for it’s future is uncertain.

We sure take liberty with our words, don't we?

The last time I heard , uumm if your parents are from China and you were born in the US you are chinese american. This means that you are an american of chinese heritage. Oh, I have another example, Andres Garcia was born in Dominican Republic but his parents are from Spain. He always states that he is dominican and dominicans are always proud to say that he is dominican (just because he is WHITE). Now, we have the deceased politician Pena Gomez (died 1998) he was black as a carbon and I remember dominicans not being proud of him and always trying to dig up that he was haitian.

Open up your eyes, Dominican Republic is filled of bigotry and hatred towards being,looking black. Dominicans are a group of mulattos claiming they are white when indeed they are not.

tata wrote:

The last time I heard , uumm if your parents are from China and you were born in the US you are chinese american. This means that you are an american of chinese heritage.
***Mistake #1
First of all NOT ALL nations accept Jus Soli,many accept Jus Sanguini which means that at least one of your parents has to be from that country to be a citizen!
Oh, I have another example, Andres Garcia was born in Dominican Republic but his parents are from Spain. He always states that he is dominican and dominicans are always proud to say that he is dominican (just because he is WHITE). Now, we have the deceased politician Pena Gomez (died 1998) he was black as a carbon and I remember dominicans not being proud of him and always trying to dig up that he was haitian.
***
Mistake #2
In DR we have many Cocolos (English Speaking Blacks from San Pedro)who are highly respected and NOBODY denies their "Dominicanidad" but Haitians because of history are our historical enemies and only some deluded little girl from the Bronx that knows nothing of DR and plenty of Afro-centric bullshit would not know that.
The simple-minded don't understand that the same way the French and the British or the Tutsis and Hutus mistrust each other ,we mistrust the Haitians and that racism if even a factor is more a byproduct of the antagonistic relationship between my country and Haiti! "Peña Gomez" (Not his real name)was never able to prove that he was born in DR and his favoritism towards Haitian immigration made him an enemy of all Patriotic Dominicans ...***
Open up your eyes, Dominican Republic is filled of bigotry and hatred towards being,looking black. Dominicans are a group of mulattoes claiming they are white when indeed they are not.
***Mistake #3
Dominican Republic is hateful yet somehow we have close to 2 MILLION Haitians in our country!!
They are escaping the glorious failed experiment called Haiti which show that man needs culture and education before they can have democracy,otherwise you have the chaos that has been Haiti since they ad the fortune (or misfortune)of France leaving them to their own wits!
DR Should deport all those that cannot show their legality in MY country and the people in the ghettos of the Bronx ,Maxine Waters,The commie Jesuits and the Drunken Kennedy's can all go fly a kite!***

Seguro que esta niña es criada en EEUU con percepciones Afrocentricas y con poco o nada de conocimiento del IDIOMA o de la CULTURA nuestra!

Seguro que considera la "musica" chatarra del Hip Hop propia y viste igual que los segmentos mas atrasados de EEUU en fin se identifica con lo peor de esta nación y obviamente prefiere los Haitianos sobre los Dominicanos!

Rafael P E wrote:

There is not dough in my mind that this lady is Haitian and does not bear any love in her heart for the Dominican Republic.
The fact of the matter is that we are a poor country with more than one million Haitians, most of them illegal.
Instead of damaging the image of our country, she should go to her country and try to rebuild and preserved whatever is left.
If I were the one deciding,and since we are so inhuman with the Haitians,I send her and the human rights groups back to Haiti and never let them come back again.
Dominicans are not racists, all colors are melted in the common pride of being Dominicans, we do not have blacks or whites in our nation just Dominicans; The problem with the Haitians is that they are not Dominicans.
The powerful nations should realized that instead of solving a problem they are creating a huge one by planting more resentment between two nations that were in the process of healing from the past, and we the true Dominicans will not accept the integration. However, we are always willing to help, if there is respect for each others territory.

__________

Rafael, correct, Sonia Pierre doesn't have ANY love in her heart for the D.R.. True, the D.R. is a poor nation with more than 1 million Haitians. Most of them illegal. Correct, instead of Pierre damaging the image of the D.R., she should go to her nation & try to rebuild & preserve whatever is left. Hey, I totally "feel you" that Pierre & the human rights groups should be sent back to Haiti. And they should never be let back in to the D.R.. Correct, Dominicans are not racists. Yes, all colors are melted in the common pride of being Dominicans. Yes, we do not have blacks or white within our nation. JUST Dominicans. And yes, the problem with the Haitians is that they are NOT Dominicans. And yes, the powerful nations should realize that by their budding in, THEY are creating a MORE HUGE problem. Yes, their meddling is just planting MORE resentment between the 2 nations that were in the process of "healing" from the past. And YES, the TRUE DOMINICANS will NOT accept the "integration". NEVER!! And yes, Dominicans are ALWAYS willing to help if there is respect for each others territory. However, TRAGICALLY, the Haitians have NEVER held up their share of the bargain & the Haitians have NEVER bargained in good faith. Hey Rafael, to be honest though, Pierre probably WOULDN'T want harmony between Dominicans & Haitians. Pierre is a radical left, anti-Dominican bigot --- racist. And if there would be harmony between Dominicans & Haitians, THIS would put Pierre out of her job as a radical leftwing, professional agitator. Pierre has MADE her living off of being a leftwing professional agitator.

Gabriela wrote:

In response to Rafael P E, what you are suggesting is the same thing the United State Government is attempting to do with all immigrants in the United States; Perhaps, I should say, Immigrant who are minority and don't make much money.
I agree that both countries are in dire need of economic relief, but the fact stands that we share a tiny island. We are all looking for a 'better' way of living, and for Haitians, DR represents that 'better' way of living.
The solutions is to get rid of crooks within the Dominican & Haitian governments. We need strong and powerful community relations programs and advocacy groups!

__________

Gabriela, first off, you CANNOT compare Haitian immigration to the D.R. with that of immigration to the United States. NOPE, it is TOTALLY different. Basically, you are comparing a steak with an apple. Now, you are correct that both nations (the D.R. and Haiti) are in dire need of economic relief. And yes, we share a tiny island. And yes, we are all looking for a "better" way of living. And yes, for the Haitians, the D.R. DOES represent THAT BETTER (WAY BETTER if I may add) way of living. Yes, correct, the solution is to get rid of crooks wihin the Dominican and Haitian governments. Now, I TOTALLY agree with you about this. However, let's be honest and realistic.---- Getting rid of crooks within the Dominican and Haitian governments is easier said that done. This will entail a VERY thin balancing act ESPECIALLY within Haiti. Clearly, Dominicans want and prefer a Haitian government which will clean up its act in regards to corruption and ESPECIALLY in regards to dumping the Haitian underclass ---- lowclass onto the D.R.. And Dominicans as well as Haitians would GREATLY benefit if Haitis government would start doing productive things ((improving roads, hospitals, schools (reducing illiteracy), reducing illnesses, etc.)). But MOST of all, the D.R. NEEDS a Haiti which is LOYAL to Santo Domingo. The D.R. CANNOT afford to have a Haitian government which is similar to that of communist Cuba and/or radical left Venezuela. And yes, we need strong and powerful community relations programs and advocacy groups. However, let me just say this though.---- What type of strong and powerful community relations programs and advocacy groups are needed??--- Answer.--- Rightwing conservative Dominican and Haitian ones which FAVOR the Dominican position(s). And THIS IS NEEDED MORE NOW SO THAN EVER at this stage in the history of the D.R.. And this is NEEDED because the MOST CRITICAL thing is for Dominicans to look out for who's number one.---- The children, grandchildren and great grandchildren of the D.R.. THEY are the FUTURE of the D.R..