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Hardhead
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10 Reasons why Jesus is not God: By Sami Zaatari 1- Jesus is not all knowing: Mark 24: 32-36: 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only God is all-knowing, Jesus fails this main qualification. This alone is enough to prove that Jesus is not God. Also note the verse says ONLY the Father meaning nobody else, including the divine Jesus. ========== 2- Jesus never said I am God. Is this a coincidence? I think not. If you make a claim on someone, then you would expect that someone to back your claim up. If I claim somebody is a king, you would expect that king to say he is a king, at least once. In the OT God says he is God several times, why not once with Jesus in the NT? Did God change his ways? I think not, since the OT says God does not change. Here are the passages from the OT where God says he is God: ========== 3- Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells us not to trust the son of man: The New Testament makes it very clear that Jesus is the son of man: ========== 4- Jesus was GIVEN power and authority, he did not own it. As we all know, God is all-powerful and is independent, he needs no help from anybody. However so this is not the case with Jesus, unlike God, Jesus needs help from God, unlike God, Jesus does not own any power or any authority, rather it is given to him from God. John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God; ========== 5- Jesus denied being good in the sense that God is good. If Jesus is God one would expect him to admit he is good in the sense that God is good, meaning perfect. However when we read the Bible we see that Jesus denies being good in the sense that God is good which is perfect. Here are the passages: Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
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Grace
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Jesus forgave sins, Jesus ordered the fig tree to wither and die and it did, Jesus ordered the storms to calm. These things can only be done by God. Mohammad was a sinner,he was not even sure of his own salvation let alone those who follow him. Muslims' spiritual eyes are blind to the truth. Many muslims have seen the light and taken Jesus as their Lord. JESUS IS THE LORD. MUSLIMS WHO ASK JESUS TO SHOW THE TRUTH TO THEM GET TO KNOW THE TRUTH.
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Mea
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Jan
Oxnard, CA
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When God called Moses to lead the nation of Israel out of Egypt, He told Moses to tell the nation that "I AM" has sent you (Exodus 3:13-15).
"Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out,'Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, but I know him because I am from him and he sent me'" (John 7:28-29).
"Then they asked him,'Where is your father?''You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied.'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered,'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30)
"'If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.' Philip said,'Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.' Jesus answered:'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time?
Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.'" (John 14:7-11, 20).
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Jan
Oxnard, CA
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After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:'Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began'" (John 17:1-5).
In this wonderful prayer, Jesus says, "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me" (John 17:20-21). Did Jesus say that He was God? Yes! Amen!
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Jan
Oxnard, CA
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Buy the way all these verses about can be found in Bibles dating back to 90AD, proving Muhamamd corruption claim a hoax to Mislead the Muslim people away from God.
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1- Jesus is not all knowing:
2- Jesus never said I am God.
3- Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells us not to trust the son of man:
4- Jesus was GIVEN power and authority, he did not own it.
5- Jesus denied being good in the sense that God is good.
6- Jesus could not save anyone,even himself.
7- Jesus’ believers did NOT believe he was God neither.
8- Will you worship Jesus, or the one Jesus worshiped?
9- God comes out of a woman? God is a helpless baby?
11- Jesus eat food,drinks,sleeps, use toilet,that's why not God,but God messenger.
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Jan
Oxnard, CA
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Your incorrect, again Bibles artifacts that Exist today dating back to 90AD have these verses,m can it be more clear: Then they asked him,'Where is your father?''You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied.'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered,'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30) If the verses exist in the ancient 90AD Bibles, do you simply deny these artifacts, or pretend they do not exist? Why don't you go see for yourself and prove yourself wrong. Hardhead wrote: 1- Jesus is not all knowing: 2- Jesus never said I am God. 3- Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells us not to trust the son of man: 4- Jesus was GIVEN power and authority, he did not own it. 5- Jesus denied being good in the sense that God is good. 6- Jesus could not save anyone,even himself. 7- Jesus’ believers did NOT believe he was God neither. 8- Will you worship Jesus, or the one Jesus worshiped? 9- God comes out of a woman? God is a helpless baby? 11- Jesus eat food,drinks,sleeps, use toilet,that's why not God,but God messenger.
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Hardhead
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1- Jesus is not all knowing: 2- Jesus never said I am God. 3- Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells us not to trust the son of man: 4- Jesus was GIVEN power and authority, he did not own it. 5- Jesus denied being good in the sense that God is good. 6- Jesus could not save anyone,even himself. 7- Jesus’ believers did NOT believe he was God neither. 8- Will you worship Jesus, or the one Jesus worshiped? 9- God comes out of a woman? God is a helpless baby? 11- Jesus eat food,drinks,sleeps, use toilet,that's why not God,but God messenger.
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Jan
Oxnard, CA
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Maybe you need the read the Arabic translations of these verses to understand? Look them up in the Arabic Bible if your allowed to and read, maybe you'll understand? Then they asked him,'Where is your father?''You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied.'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered,'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30) Hardhead wrote: 1- Jesus is not all knowing: 2- Jesus never said I am God. 3- Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells us not to trust the son of man: 4- Jesus was GIVEN power and authority, he did not own it. 5- Jesus denied being good in the sense that God is good. 6- Jesus could not save anyone,even himself. 7- Jesus’ believers did NOT believe he was God neither. 8- Will you worship Jesus, or the one Jesus worshiped? 9- God comes out of a woman? God is a helpless baby? 11- Jesus eat food,drinks,sleeps, use toilet,that's why not God,but God messenger.
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Hardhead
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Then they asked him,'Where is your father?''You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied.'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered,
'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). This verse does not tell that Yeshua is God. This tells that in the knowledge of God that all creations are known. I can say,before my grand father was born I'm/anyone is known to all Allah.
"I and the Father are one" (John 10:30) This verse meant that Yeshua and his God are one in purpose not in Godhood. What God order Yeshua excute/implement. This never ever tells Yeshua is coequal to his Lord. Get more education in your own book not only that but you should understand what you read and say to people,otherwise they will laugh at you. Don't repeat these verses that don't support your allegations that Yeshua is God..
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Jan
Oxnard, CA
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Well Harhead it is simple, for one Christianity is the largest religion on the world and has been for thousands of years. Secondly many many scholars and experts have interpreted the Bibles for thousands of years just as Christians believe today. Allah the god of Islam must be weak to allow the religion of Christianity to rule his world for so many years, your Allah also allowed humans to corrupt his words according to allah or Muhammad. Then we go back to the artifact that are also more than a thousand years old and again confirm the Christian books are the same today as back then. Again, you need to read up on the Biblical warning of the false prophet. Hardhead wrote: Then they asked him,'Where is your father?''You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied.'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). This verse does not tell that Yeshua is God. This tells that in the knowledge of God that all creations are known. I can say,before my grand father was born I'm/anyone is known to all Allah. "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30) This verse meant that Yeshua and his God are one in purpose not in Godhood. What God order Yeshua excute/implement. This never ever tells Yeshua is coequal to his Lord. Get more education in your own book not only that but you should understand what you read and say to people,otherwise they will laugh at you. Don't repeat these verses that don't support your allegations that Yeshua is God..
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Hissing Sound
Australia
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This is interesting, check this out, and you'll know what Islam is like. The TRUE FACE of ISLAM http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/127636
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Mea
Auckland, New Zealand
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Hardhead wrote: 1- Jesus is not all knowing: 2- Jesus never said I am God. 3- Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells us not to trust the son of man: 4- Jesus was GIVEN power and authority, he did not own it. 5- Jesus denied being good in the sense that God is good. 6- Jesus could not save anyone,even himself. 7- Jesus’ believers did NOT believe he was God neither. 8- Will you worship Jesus, or the one Jesus worshiped? 9- God comes out of a woman? God is a helpless baby? 11- Jesus eat food,drinks,sleeps, use toilet,that's why not God,but God messenger. 12- There is no scientific evidence that the man existed what so ever 13- If you are thick enough to volunteer to get nailed, you don't deserve any titles (except for one) anyway!
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Hardhead
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I'm not trying to bash Jesus(saw),but truth has to prevail at last. Here is a good link to give more detailed knowledge. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Mea
Auckland, New Zealand
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Hardhead wrote: I'm not trying to bash Jesus(saw),but truth has to prevail at last. Here is a good link to give more detailed knowledge. http://www.youtube.com/watch... One more religio-neerd gaping away on the subject of garden fairies.
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Jan
Oxnard, CA
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Those are weak responses from a biased Muslim, come one can it be any more pathetic? http://www.youtube.com/watch... http://www.youtube.com/watch... Hardhead wrote: I'm not trying to bash Jesus(saw),but truth has to prevail at last. Here is a good link to give more detailed knowledge. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Hardhead
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Jesus(pbuh) can't be but human,regardless of these absured justification you're trying to sell to us. God never ever Die. No one has ever seen God. Trinity is puzzle,confusing and not in the bible. God can't change ever. Jesus(saw)never no the know the Hour but God. I can go on and on but with no avail. Jesus can not be anything but human. He never been alpha, or omega. If you believe in this you may be insane. Every time I try to open your mind you resist!
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Jan
Oxnard, CA
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God engineered us, he choose to have his son live as his creations. God can do whatever he wants, he has not limits. Yes, the Bible does mention the father, son and holy spirit. Allah maybe cannot change, God has no limits. "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28) Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever" and the gospel of John calls Jesus "the only begotten God" (John 1:18). John 14:8 Philip said to him,“Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him,“Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Hardhead wrote: Jesus(pbuh) can't be but human,regardless of these absured justification you're trying to sell to us. God never ever Die. No one has ever seen God. Trinity is puzzle,confusing and not in the bible. God can't change ever. Jesus(saw)never no the know the Hour but God. I can go on and on but with no avail. Jesus can not be anything but human. He never been alpha, or omega. If you believe in this you may be insane. Every time I try to open your mind you resist!
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Hardhead
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Jesus(pbuh) can't be but human,regardless of these absured justification you're trying to sell to us. God never ever Die. No one has ever seen God. Trinity is puzzle,confusing and not in the bible. God can't change ever. Jesus(saw)never no the know the Hour but God. I can go on and on but with no avail. Jesus can not be anything but human. He never been alpha, or omega. If you believe in this you may be insane. Every time I try to open your mind you resist!
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