Cyprus The Green Line (1985)

greek wrote:

<quoted text>Do you deny this happens? Must be something to these newstories
But then again you Turks deny everything,From crimes against the Greeks to crimes against Nations like the Armenians

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Guy wrote:

<quoted text>I am a Gay Brit , I Suck & Fuck Turkish men but given the choice, I'd suck a Turk over your representation of Greek any day of the week, malaka lol

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Dervis Eroglu wrote:

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What are you saying elaborate a little.
whilst eoka and eoka B was being supplied with arms from Greece since the 40s.
are you suggesting Turkish Cypriots should not have been given any arms aid , is this what you are trying to say?

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John wrote:

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First of all EOKA B was not even in existence until the mid 60's. How can we talk with someone who does not understand the fundamentals about Cyprus? Sorry its very difficult to take you seriously when you just spit out the first thing that comes to mind.
Secondly, EOKA's struggle in the 50's was against the British. It was not against any leftists or turkish cypriots. The TCs only got involved because of the british. They wanted to create division so they could remain here. So they encouraged turkey, who gave up all claims on Cyprus in the 1920's, to get more involved here. They then armed the TCs as police men. This meant that the british would achieve what they wanted. The beginning of inter-communal violence.
Enosis did not mean the end of the TCs. Look at eastern thrace in Greece. There is a thriving turkish community there. Not that I think enosis was the right way to go. I do believe the a country should be governed democratically and the majority should be able to decide the fate of their country. Nothing wrong with that.
We all know the story here. We all know why Cyprus is in half. And I can assure the reason is not to save TCs.
Just wake up to the facts of the past so we can move on.

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Dervis Eroglu wrote:

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Killing of Turkish Cypriots by eoka goes back to 50s and not just happened in the 60s.
Enosis it the main factor, it was never going to be acceptable for Turkish Cypriots and Turkey, Like you I too agree enosis should never have been part of the equation.
Yes the British did apply their famous divide and rule policy in the 50s and both sides had fallen for it , but that didnt mean Turkish Cypriots would be a sitting targets for the Greeks,
How can you say Enosis did not mean the end of the TCs
What you dont mention is Makarios and Nikos Samson did in fact say cyprus will only be free when all Turkish cypriots are eliminated from the island, these words was spoken by your leaders,
eastern Thrace in Greece Turkish community suffered untold hostilities until Greece Joined the EU and had to apply human rights policies, another thing comes to mind, Take Create where 35% of the community was Turks where they been persecuted and forced out, we be lucky to find a hand full Turks living on the island,
Turkey did give up all rights to Cyprus , but that doesn't mean Turkish Cypriots did.
British was quit prepared to divide the island if no agreement was reached, we gave up that right and agreed to be partners in RoC
with certain rights to protect Turkish Cypriot community, Cyprus island never was solely a greek island it was a common land to be shared by all ethnic communities,
admittedly Greek community was the majority But never the less it gave you no rights to eliminate Turkish Cypriot rights in representing Turkish Cypriot community.
majority should be able to decide the fate of their country. Nothing wrong///// I totally agree with that but in Cyprus case you cant do that it is in the agreement that greeks signed up for , so it's pointless arguing about that point,
Because I can say , if the intentions of the greeks was this then they should have made it known before an agreement was signed.
This way Turkish Cypriots and Turkey would not have agreed and the British would have divided the island and each go their way.

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John wrote:

You said EOKA B. So please do some research before you talk. You mention Sampson, where is he? What support did he have? Nobody supported that man or any of his policies. The fact of the matter here is that there are 200.000 turks in Greece and 5000 Greeks in Turkey. That goes to show what the mentality is in our countries. TCs are citizens here and enjoy all rights here. Recently the RoC has assisted 2 TCs on death row an an international country. Where is Turkey in all this? Why isnt Turkey helping its 'people'? The 1960 agreement was forced on us. It was unfair. It did not allow the country to be governed democratically. One man one vote is fair. And don't make out like we are like the Turks. Turks eliminated all Greeks from Turkey. ELIMINATED them. The turks in Greece are still there. Your hogwash lies will not change that. The numbers are there to prove it. The fact is that there are 4000 Greeks left in Turkey and 200.000 turks in Greece. TCs enjoy their rights in the RoC and their land is protected. Its not the same in the north. Wake up my friend. Realise that turkey cares NOT about TCs at all. The sooner you realise that, the better. Move on. It's really not the way Turkey and Britain have made you think it is.

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Dervis Eroglu wrote:

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Eoka A eoka B same sh*t diffrent smell, they were both after enosis.
Samson is dead now, but at the time he had a great support during 50s ,60s and 70s from the greek cypriots even in 74 half the greeks supported him he had support from the eoka B , home guard,
and many eoka supporters not to mention Greece, that is why 4000 plus greeks died in clashes between Samson supporters and Makarios supporters during 1974 coup, still today you have eoka and Samson supporters in huge numbers,
Greeks loyal to Makarios this includes you disown Samson "now" because he fcuked up and invited Turkey on the island, had he been successful he would have been every Greeks hero not just eoka scum and their followers.
You cant now say the London agreement was forced on Makarios,
Makarios only said that after unsuccessful attempt to create Greek Cyprus,
listen my friend wake up , agreement was about a country not a car , money lending, property buying, about marriage agreement,
you are talking Turkish Cypriot country,
As for you going on about Turkey and the reasons why they are in Cyprus, that is a matter between turkey and Turkish cypriots.
I answered you of the 2 drug smuggling prisoners on another post ,
they are not TRNC or TC citizens they are the citizens of illigal RoC. you cant even accept that they are your citizens because they are Turkish.

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John wrote:

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Get one thing staright in your head before you continue to post here:
The 1960 agreement was forced on Cyprus. Makarios had no choice in the matter. It was forced on us with threats of partition.
Learn the facts and then come back and contribute here without looking ridiculous.

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Dervis Eroglu wrote:

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read my post mate I did say that island would have been partitioned if no agreement was signed ,
Makarios knew exactly what he was doing , he had no intentions of sharing Cyprus with Turkish Cypriots , that is why it only took him just 3 years before his deivious plans surfaced,
In other words you people done us out of a country when Makarios agreed,

John wrote:

Yes partition was one of the threats. Who in their right mind would want their country partitioned? Why can there not be one man one vote? The 1960 was partition anyway. It was exploited to get partition. I believe in Democracy for Cyprus. One man one vote, fairly and not along ethnic lines. What is wrong with that?

kat cyprus wrote:

all turks and l speak for us greeks cypiots should get out from our homeland it dose not belong to you turks i dislike you people and your nation of pure pigs get out we dont want you on greek soil

Dervis Eroglu wrote:

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"""" Who in their right mind would want their country partitioned?"""
first of all, Cyprus did not belong to greeks only, Cyprus wasn't a greek island, that's to begin with,
Secondly when Cyprus became independent it was on the bases of a partnership between Turkish and greek Cypriots,
RoC did enjoy democracy and yes it was one man one vote, nothing wrong with that at all, but if the constitution was at stake this is where the Turkish vise president could use his veto powers to safeguard the constitution and the rights of Turkish Cypriots , that was the whole idea of partnership to prevent one side walking away with Cyprus,
You talk about not wanting a parturition and I can understand that, then tell me why in the hell name you were all hell bent on giving the island away to Greece, and doing T/Cs out of their country losing all their rights,
you had no right to want that,, it's in your constitution maybe you should read and understand your own Constitution, of course it is null and void now not worth the price of the paper it is written on. without Turkish Cypriots you have no Constitution.
and please dont come back saying Makarios was forced to accept London agreement, little to late to have a change of mind after depriving T/Cs of their own country,

kat cyprus wrote:

all turks and l speak for us greeks cypiots should get out from our homeland it dose not belong to you turks i dislike you people and your nation of pure pigs get out we dont want you on greek soil

John wrote:

Cyprus is not part of Greece. However Greek Cypriots are a majority here. There are some people here that supported Enosis and some people that were against it. Personally, I believe that if a majority of a country wants something, they should get it. That is the way countries all around the world work. Now having a Turkish Cypriot minority of 18% with a power of veto is not fair at all. That is not democratic. It is not heard of anywhere around the world to have such a system. You can not have 18% of the population deciding the fate of the other 82%. That is ridiculous. This is the right that Makarios wanted to take away. He wanted a smooth running state, where Turkey could not use the TC veto to disrupt the state and cause conflict. Obviously TC rights as citizens would remain. Just the same as every other citizen in Cyprus. TCs would be able to create political parties and run for the presidency. You can say what you want, but that 1960 agreement was forced on Cyprus. The only people who would want such an agreement would be TCs who were 18% and had the power to control a country. That is unfair. Take the government of South Africa when the black majority took over in 1994 after the end of Apartheid. White people do not have a veto power there. They do not elect their own vice president. They do not have separate laws and municipalities to black people. There are however provisions in the constitution that protect minority rights. This is the way it should be in Cyprus. TCs need to accept they are a minority here. They need to accept that they are a minority here just the same as all minorities around the world accept it. They need to allow democracy to work. Turkey and Greece need to forget about Cyprus. Cyprus should be re-united and part of the EU with a fair, democratic society of Cypriots.

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Guy wrote:

<quoted text>I am not a Turk, I am British but given the choice, I'd choose turkish over your representation of Greek any day of the week, malaka

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greek wrote:

<quoted text> you are not a Turk?
More bullshit.Then why do you always defend these savages?

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Dervis Eroglu wrote:

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My point proven,
See you are a racist fcuk.

greek wrote:

<quoted text>Look who's talking
All you ever talk of is Greek killing Turk
Did you ever acknowledge Turk killing Greeks? NO NEVER the TMT? NO NEVER
Denktash? Your hero.THAT SAYS ALOT
The oil discoverded off our shores you don't want to share
YOU TURKS WANT IT ALL
No-0ne in my family including relatives have ever harmed a Turk yet I have loved taken away
in dead of night WHY because all us Greeks are racists F@cks
You equate our nationalism to our country to EOKA
No-one on this forum can reason with you
in your eyes we are all racists F@cks
Did you ever speak of Greek-Turkish cooperation or friends ship? NO
You are not a man of compromise
SO F@CK YOU TOO