Cyprus The Green Line (1985)

A 1985 British documentary on the events which led to the division of Cyprus.

Playlist of all 8 parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Cyprus The Green Line (1985)

Part 1 of 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Part 2 of 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Part 3 of 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Part 4 of 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Part 5 of 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Part 6 of 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Part 7 of 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Part 8 of 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

And now the book

http://www.thegreenline.co.uk/

Guy wrote:

And now the book
http://www.thegreenline.co.uk/

That book has nothing to do with the TV programme 'The Green Line'(1985).

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

The Green line wrote:

A 1985 British documentary on the events which led to the division of Cyprus.
Playlist of all 8 parts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Interesting! I will watch some of it tomorrow.

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Gentlemen,

Your constant bickerings have served only to distract from the very important documentary posted on this thread, and the contents therein.

The importance of the comments made by the former British governor, the former British regimental officer based in Cyprus, TCs and GCs cannot be overstated.
Although the comments were made only ten years after the coup and invasion, recent additional confessions from Turkish generals and have also served to support the documentary.
Why is this not being discussed?

Agamemnon wrote:

Gentlemen,
Your constant bickerings have served only to distract from the very important documentary posted on this thread, and the contents therein.
The importance of the comments made by the former British governor, the former British regimental officer based in Cyprus, TCs and GCs cannot be overstated.
Although the comments were made only ten years after the coup and invasion, recent additional confessions from Turkish generals and have also served to support the documentary.
Why is this not being discussed?

Agamemnon Most of the stuff are hearsay we hear 3 or 4 diffrent versions to an event, It is difficult for most people to distinguish between the truth and a lie, further more it makes it even double difficult for some one to abandon what they known to be truth, and accept some one else version of events, I dont believe any ones interpretation, I am a great believer in logic, what was said and done behind close doors we will never know the whole truth,
politicians are great at manipulating words they very seldom tell the hole truth

go cyprus fack turkey

Dervis Eroglu wrote:

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Agamemnon Most of the stuff are hearsay we hear 3 or 4 diffrent versions to an event, It is difficult for most people to distinguish between the truth and a lie, further more it makes it even double difficult for some one to abandon what they known to be truth, and accept some one else version of events, I dont believe any ones interpretation, I am a great believer in logic, what was said and done behind close doors we will never know the whole truth,
politicians are great at manipulating words they very seldom tell the hole truth

This is from someone who believes everything he reads on extremist Ergenekon websites about Cyprus and GCs, and then comes and repeats the Ergenekon propaganda here.

This is the most accurate and honest documentary I've ever seen on Cyprus, in which BOTH GCs and TCs are represented. It confirms everything the BBC News article "Britain's Murky Role in Cyprus Crisis" says, it confirms everything Martin Packard (who lived and worked in Cyprus in the 60s) says, it confirms everything Dr Ihsan Ali, Dervis Ali Kavazoglu, and many others said, it confirms the British and American government documents and NATO documents we have seen online, it confirms the Turkish General's confession last year, etc.

Sir Hugh Foot (Lord Caradon), as the last British Colonial Governor of Cyprus, is the ONE MAN who would know what the British did in Cyprus to seperate the Cypriots and divide the island to ensure the continued presence of their bases in Cyprus.

You've made it very clear in the past how you love and support Denktash and permanent partition for Cyprus, since you don't want to lose your investments on GC lands in the occupied north.

Dervis Eroglu wrote:

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Agamemnon Most of the stuff are hearsay we hear 3 or 4 diffrent versions to an event, It is difficult for most people to distinguish between the truth and a lie, further more it makes it even double difficult for some one to abandon what they known to be truth, and accept some one else version of events, I dont believe any ones interpretation, I am a great believer in logic, what was said and done behind close doors we will never know the whole truth,
politicians are great at manipulating words they very seldom tell the hole truth

So you are claiming that the Turkish Cypriot man Yashar in the documentary who said he and all the TC men and school boys in the 1950s were trained by TMT to use weapons and that they kept weapons is "a liar" ??? Of course, the Turkish propaganda claims that the TCs were "defenceless"!!

Dervis Eroglu wrote:

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Agamemnon Most of the stuff are hearsay we hear 3 or 4 diffrent versions to an event, It is difficult for most people to distinguish between the truth and a lie, further more it makes it even double difficult for some one to abandon what they known to be truth, and accept some one else version of events, I dont believe any ones interpretation, I am a great believer in logic, what was said and done behind close doors we will never know the whole truth,
politicians are great at manipulating words they very seldom tell the hole truth

Dervis,
The comments are not hearsay. These were comments made by people who were actually in charge, and individual TCs and GCs who actually participated.
What has the former governor to gain by saying that the British, his own government no less, were responsible for creating tension between GC and TC by,
a) Arresting trade unionists and leftists who were part of organisations wher both GCs and TCs participated, after EOKA begins its campaign for enosis. In other words, whilst nationalists begin a guerilla war against British rule, the British start arresting those who advocated GC and TC co-existance.
b) Releasing arrested GCs near a Turkish Cypriot village knowing full well thatthey would be attacked and killed.
c) By, in the words of the British officer interviewed, leaning on TCs to join the auxilliary police force again knowing full well that this would put them at risk of being attacked by EOKA and thus increasing hostility between GC and TC.
d) By agitating for Turkey to become involved in the seperation of the two communities.
e) By creating the "Green Line" the Turks finally stopped at after the invasion.
It is clear from the documentary that the functions of both EOKA and TMT were to radicallise and physically seperate the two communities so that Cyprus would be shared by Greece and Turkey respectively within the framework of NATO. Enosis and Taksim were simply the means and not the ends.
This is clear when EOKA explicitly excluded both progressive GCs and all TCs from its armed struggle. Why?
How much more clear does it need to be for you Dervis and all those of us that still advocate that GCs and TCs simply cannot live together.

dgh wrote:

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This is from someone who believes everything he reads on extremist Ergenekon websites about Cyprus and GCs, and then comes and repeats the Ergenekon propaganda here.
This is the most accurate and honest documentary I've ever seen on Cyprus, in which BOTH GCs and TCs are represented. It confirms everything the BBC News article "Britain's Murky Role in Cyprus Crisis" says, it confirms everything Martin Packard (who lived and worked in Cyprus in the 60s) says, it confirms everything Dr Ihsan Ali, Dervis Ali Kavazoglu, and many others said, it confirms the British and American government documents and NATO documents we have seen online, it confirms the Turkish General's confession last year, etc.
Sir Hugh Foot (Lord Caradon), as the last British Colonial Governor of Cyprus, is the ONE MAN who would know what the British did in Cyprus to seperate the Cypriots and divide the island to ensure the continued presence of their bases in Cyprus.
You've made it very clear in the past how you love and support Denktash and permanent partition for Cyprus, since you don't want to lose your investments on GC lands in the occupied north.

Wrong , I was in cyprus in the thick of it and on the receiving end until 1974. I know what I saw and experienced.

Sir Hugh Foot or Lord Carrington, were not the ones who was shooting at me , they did not kidnap and murder Turkish cypriots never to be seen again, I never heard them say Cyprus to unit with Greece (enosis), They did not hatch Akritas plan to murder all Turkish Cypriots in 1hour 45 minutes,
they weren't the ones who slaughtered Innocent Turkish Cypriot man woman and children young as 16 days old,
if any thing Sir Hugh Foot and Lord Carrington would have been against these Greek atrocities.
Greeks are the blame for all these murders and rapes partition of the island and causing 1000s of refugees,

Late Mr Denktas the founder of TRNS, God rest his sole, he read you Greeks intentions very well and made the right decision, partition was the only way to save Turkish Cypriots from extinction. he made sure,Enosis or Greek Cyprus, will never ever again will be mentioned.

Dervis Eroglu wrote:

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Wrong , I was in cyprus in the thick of it and on the receiving end until 1974. I know what I saw and experienced.
Sir Hugh Foot or Lord Carrington, were not the ones who was shooting at me , they did not kidnap and murder Turkish cypriots never to be seen again, I never heard them say Cyprus to unit with Greece (enosis), They did not hatch Akritas plan to murder all Turkish Cypriots in 1hour 45 minutes,
they weren't the ones who slaughtered Innocent Turkish Cypriot man woman and children young as 16 days old,
if any thing Sir Hugh Foot and Lord Carrington would have been against these Greek atrocities.
Greeks are the blame for all these murders and rapes partition of the island and causing 1000s of refugees,
Late Mr Denktas the founder of TRNS, God rest his sole, he read you Greeks intentions very well and made the right decision, partition was the only way to save Turkish Cypriots from extinction. he made sure,Enosis or Greek Cyprus, will never ever again will be mentioned.

But the BRITISH documentary states how TCs were killed by GC extremists and how GCs were killed by TC extremists, and it all STARTED when the British paid TCs to be Police to control the Greeks, as the Turkish Cypriot Yashar correctly states in the documentary, and Yashar lived through those times too. But we already knew the British paid the TCs to control and to kill GCs.

Dr Ihsan Ali ALSO lived through the troubles and his version is totally different from yours.

Carry on believing your extremist Ergenekon propaganada about "TCs being extinct by GCs" LOL! Turkish Cypriots are already almost extinct in occupied Cyprus thanks to your Denktash policies of partition and bringing in hundreds of thousands of Turkish and Kurdish settlers.

Carry on believing the propaganda myth that TCs would be exteminated in 1 hour 45 minutes even though there were 650 TURKISH soldiers stationed officially in Cyprus, and thousands of TURKISH soilders stationed in the enclaves unofficially, as well as TCs being trained in the 1950s and 1960s to use weapons!

Sorry my friend, your Ergenekon propaganda myths only fool the weak-minded and those who are ignorant of the history of Cyprus.

Your beloved Denktash was a member of ergenekon. Erdogan is trying to destroy this shadowy group.

Dervis Eroglu wrote:

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Late Mr Denktas the founder of TRNS, God rest his sole,

God Bless the souls of Dervis Ali Kavazoglu, Fazil Onder, Aiyan Hikmet, Ahmet Gurkan, and all the other real Turkish Cypriots whom Denktash had killed, all because they were against Denktash's plans for war and partition in Cyprus.

Just look at the BRITISH documentary and you will see it was the British who FIRST came up with the idea for partition, NOT your beloved Denktash. Denktash was simply folowing Turkey's partition policy, and Turkey was following the British policy for partition.

The British to this day NEVER gave FULL independence to Cyprus, and they said they NEVER will.

dgh wrote:

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God Bless the souls of Dervis Ali Kavazoglu, Fazil Onder, Aiyan Hikmet, Ahmet Gurkan, and all the other real Turkish Cypriots whom Denktash had killed, all because they were against Denktash's plans for war and partition in Cyprus.
Just look at the BRITISH documentary and you will see it was the British who FIRST came up with the idea for partition, NOT your beloved Denktash. Denktash was simply folowing Turkey's partition policy, and Turkey was following the British policy for partition.
The British to this day NEVER gave FULL independence to Cyprus, and they said they NEVER will.

I been saying it all along , if Greeks refused the 1960 London agreement British would have partitioned the Island , Makarios accepting the agreement he deprived Turkish Cypriots of their own country,
and that is the whole point why we Turkish Cypriots wont agree to any thing less then our own state,

Makarios with his devious mind signed and accepted the agreement knowingly he would find ways of taking Turkish Cypriot rights away from them,It took him just 3 years in his reckless attempt to execute his plans.

Dervis Eroglu wrote:

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Wrong , I was in cyprus in the thick of it and on the receiving end until 1974. I know what I saw and experienced.
Sir Hugh Foot or Lord Carrington, were not the ones who was shooting at me , they did not kidnap and murder Turkish cypriots never to be seen again, I never heard them say Cyprus to unit with Greece (enosis), They did not hatch Akritas plan to murder all Turkish Cypriots in 1hour 45 minutes,
they weren't the ones who slaughtered Innocent Turkish Cypriot man woman and children young as 16 days old,
if any thing Sir Hugh Foot and Lord Carrington would have been against these Greek atrocities.
Greeks are the blame for all these murders and rapes partition of the island and causing 1000s of refugees,
Late Mr Denktas the founder of TRNS, God rest his sole, he read you Greeks intentions very well and made the right decision, partition was the only way to save Turkish Cypriots from extinction. he made sure,Enosis or Greek Cyprus, will never ever again will be mentioned.

Look who he puts the blame on the GREEKS,Greek did not sneak attack attack at 4AM Greeks did not break their own ceasefire.Greeks did not uproot other Greeks,Greeks did not take away 2000 other Greeks in dead of night never to be seen again