How do we know that UN secretary Ban Ki-Moon is not Pro-Turkish?

He is from South Korea.South Korea and Mongolia are next to each other.They belong to the same family like the Turks.

The Turks had sent Turkish troops to defend South Korea from Communist North Korea.

The president of South Korea is visiting Turkey soon.

How do we know that the UN secretary has a secret agenda,that he is pro Turkish and pushing the Turkish national interests!!!!!!

Aristodimos wrote:

He is from South Korea.South Korea and Mongolia are next to each other.They belong to the same family like the Turks.
The Turks had sent Turkish troops to defend South Korea from Communist North Korea.
The president of South Korea is visiting Turkey soon.
How do we know that the UN secretary has a secret agenda,that he is pro Turkish and pushing the Turkish national interests!!!!!!

of course pro turkish just like the previous cahracter,,,lololol----------b an) ki moon + kofi(annan)= ki moon kofi(banannan)

OF COURSE DIMOS wrote:

<quoted text> of course pro turkish just like the previous cahracter,,,lololol----------b an) ki moon + kofi(annan)= ki moon kofi(banannan)

LMAOOOOO

Awesome.

How would it matter whether he is pro Turkish or not? Even if the UN secretary general were Greek, what would it change?

Greeks demand things in Cyprus Turks will not give them in a million years. There won't be any settlement in Cyprus. There will be two independent states within the current borders. All we are waiting for is the UN and EU getting tired of the mess and eventually telling the truth to Greeks, that they are fighting a lost war, lost in 1974.

man you greeks really make me laugh

you expect everybody to be pro greek so that you get what you want lol

even i 5 year would laugh at your comments

Aristodimos wrote:

He is from South Korea.South Korea and Mongolia are next to each other.They belong to the same family like the Turks.
The Turks had sent Turkish troops to defend South Korea from Communist North Korea.
The president of South Korea is visiting Turkey soon.
How do we know that the UN secretary has a secret agenda,that he is pro Turkish and pushing the Turkish national interests!!!!!!

Right on the spot James Bond. How do we know this guy is not a spy working for Turkey? My initial reaction exactly. Undisputed similarities between the two men and as always only the GCs were able to detect them. both Eroglu and Ki-Moon are men, both are slim and tall compared to Christofias and their demeanor civil.K-Moon looks like a man, talks like one, walks like one and addresses both sides fairly. He must be an opened minded man, well informed on the subject and capable of understanding that the issue is not in black and white as painted by the GC side. There are plenty of grey areas that need comprise and cooperation by both sides. He is also bright enough to figure out that Christofias is not interested in a solution. Throughout the meeting, Chritofias had been using his smart phone to communicate with Elsa to advise her on specific souvenirs he needed for his office.

Let's not assume that K-Moon is the only traitor here. What about Downer and every other two legged man who dares see though the GC fairy tales? Where does a poor Cypriot turn for justice on the days the animal kingdom is closed to visitors?

what the heck wrote:

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Right on the spot James Bond. How do we know this guy is not a spy working for Turkey? My initial reaction exactly. Undisputed similarities between the two men and as always only the GCs were able to detect them. both Eroglu and Ki-Moon are men, both are slim and tall compared to Christofias and their demeanor civil.K-Moon looks like a man, talks like one, walks like one and addresses both sides fairly. He must be an opened minded man, well informed on the subject and capable of understanding that the issue is not in black and white as painted by the GC side. There are plenty of grey areas that need comprise and cooperation by both sides. He is also bright enough to figure out that Christofias is not interested in a solution. Throughout the meeting, Chritofias had been using his smart phone to communicate with Elsa to advise her on specific souvenirs he needed for his office.
Let's not assume that K-Moon is the only traitor here. What about Downer and every other two legged man who dares see though the GC fairy tales? Where does a poor Cypriot turn for justice on the days the animal kingdom is closed to visitors?

You got this right Rosanne Barr!!!!! LOL

Tc In London wrote:

man you greeks really make me laugh
you expect everybody to be pro greek so that you get what you want lol
even i 5 year would laugh at your comments

They should complete the TEST FOR THE DUMMIES...

heheheeh
TEST for the dummies:)))Greeks and Greek Cypriots of the pseudo State on the south....

1.Who tried to make a coupe d'etat against the legal President Makarios in 1974?

a)Cylons
b)Disney World
c)Greek Junta+Nicos Sampson the ripper

2.Who were the Gaurantor countries of the Cyprus
independent state which was fromed with London/Zurich agreements in 1960?

a)Dart wader,Mickey Mouse,Donald Duck
b)Aborgines,eskimos and Afganistan
c)Turkey,UK,Greece

3.Why Turkish army went to Cyprus to intervent in 1974?

a)Summers are beautiful in Cyprus
b)Turks were very happy to be killed by the Greek cypriots
c)To save Turks as a guarantor country

4.Did Turkey warn Greek junta and UK Government before the intervention?

a)No they have warned Kolonaki bars to stop drinking
b)No Turks warned the girls in Aia Nappa larnaca
c)yes but both countries slept on their ears

OguzTolga wrote:

heheheeh
TEST for the dummies:)))Greeks and Greek Cypriots of the pseudo State on the south....
1.Who tried to make a coupe d'etat against the legal President Makarios in 1974?
a)Cylons
b)Disney World
c)Greek Junta+Nicos Sampson the ripper
2.Who were the Gaurantor countries of the Cyprus
independent state which was fromed with London/Zurich agreements in 1960?
a)Dart wader,Mickey Mouse,Donald Duck
b)Aborgines,eskimos and Afganistan
c)Turkey,UK,Greece
3.Why Turkish army went to Cyprus to intervent in 1974?
a)Summers are beautiful in Cyprus
b)Turks were very happy to be killed by the Greek cypriots
c)To save Turks as a guarantor country
4.Did Turkey warn Greek junta and UK Government before the intervention?
a)No they have warned Kolonaki bars to stop drinking
b)No Turks warned the girls in Aia Nappa larnaca
c)yes but both countries slept on their ears

Hey Topuz,

Who massacred the Armenians?

A.They killed each other
b.They evaporated from the heat.
c.They immigrated to United States.

Why Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974?

A.To protect Cyprus independence
B.To prevent a civil war
C.To keep Makarios in power.

OguzTolga wrote:

heheheeh
TEST for the dummies:)))Greeks and Greek Cypriots of the pseudo State on the south....
1.Who tried to make a coupe d'etat against the legal President Makarios in 1974?
a)Cylons
b)Disney World
c)Greek Junta+Nicos Sampson the ripper
2.Who were the Gaurantor countries of the Cyprus
independent state which was fromed with London/Zurich agreements in 1960?
a)Dart wader,Mickey Mouse,Donald Duck
b)Aborgines,eskimos and Afganistan
c)Turkey,UK,Greece
3.Why Turkish army went to Cyprus to intervent in 1974?
a)Summers are beautiful in Cyprus
b)Turks were very happy to be killed by the Greek cypriots
c)To save Turks as a guarantor country
4.Did Turkey warn Greek junta and UK Government before the intervention?
a)No they have warned Kolonaki bars to stop drinking
b)No Turks warned the girls in Aia Nappa larnaca
c)yes but both countries slept on their ears

not one ....BUT 2 invasions interventions to steal land and cities from cyprus -----proof is in the pudding------50000 turkish cypriots left in cyprus after 1974 from 120000

BasileusConstantineXI wrote:

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LMAOOOOO
Awesome.

lololol,,,, a very reverse expanding algebra equation,,,,,,,

ogiosOGUZfailedTEST wrote:

<quoted text>not one ....BUT 2 invasions interventions to steal land and cities from cyprus -----proof is in the pudding------50000 turkish cypriots left in cyprus after 1974 from 120000

“PAPADOPULOS CONFESSIONS” FROM KLERIDES

3 October 2010, Sunday

Glafkos Klerides, one of the former leaders of Greek Cypriot
Administration of Southern Cyprus, has put off the mask of today’s
leader Tassos Papadopulos.

Klerides has put forth the fact that Tassos
Papadopulos played a big role at the foundation of many problems that have been continuing in Cyprus.

Klerides stated that the Greek Cypriot leader Tassos Papadopulos
accepts Cypriot Turks as the minority, adding that he never was
convinced to recognise no other rights for Cypriot Turks but minority rights.

Klerides also said that the major parts of the Akritas plan – a plan of Greek Cypriots’ to terminate Cypriot Turks – was written by
Papadopulos, and confirmed that he said the infamous sentence of “We will have one hour and 45 minutes to clean up the Turks from Cyprus,"

during a visit to the American Embassy in 1974.

Conclusion:

If you dare to kill 150.000 Turks in 1Hour 45 Minutes you must not not cry after your failure of losing the 38%of the island for the victims.

OguzTolga wrote:

<quoted text>
“PAPADOPULOS CONFESSIONS” FROM KLERIDES
3 October 2010, Sunday
Glafkos Klerides, one of the former leaders of Greek Cypriot
Administration of Southern Cyprus, has put off the mask of today’s
leader Tassos Papadopulos.
Klerides has put forth the fact that Tassos
Papadopulos played a big role at the foundation of many problems that have been continuing in Cyprus.
Klerides stated that the Greek Cypriot leader Tassos Papadopulos
accepts Cypriot Turks as the minority, adding that he never was
convinced to recognise no other rights for Cypriot Turks but minority rights.
Klerides also said that the major parts of the Akritas plan – a plan of Greek Cypriots’ to terminate Cypriot Turks – was written by
Papadopulos, and confirmed that he said the infamous sentence of “We will have one hour and 45 minutes to clean up the Turks from Cyprus,"
during a visit to the American Embassy in 1974.
Conclusion:
If you dare to kill 150.000 Turks in 1Hour 45 Minutes you must not not cry after your failure of losing the 38%of the island for the victims.

,,,,,,lousy comments again ogios oguz you like arobot,,,,,,,,,why say such propaganda or why the need to say such propaganda and not carry it out whats the reason--------again why did turkey and denktash clean out 60000 turkish cypriots from legal cyprus in 1975"..........most of the killings of turkish cypriots was carried out by divisionists(turkey backed by britain) games thats why they refuse to go to the international HAGUE courts as per request of non divisionist CYPRUS,,,,,,,,

ogiosOGUZlousy comments wrote:

<quoted text>,,,,,,lousy comments again ogios oguz you like arobot,,,,,,,,,why say such propaganda or why the need to say such propaganda and not carry it out whats the reason--------again why did turkey and denktash clean out 60000 turkish cypriots from legal cyprus in 1975"..........most of the killings of turkish cypriots was carried out by divisionists(turkey backed by britain) games thats why they refuse to go to the international HAGUE courts as per request of non divisionist CYPRUS,,,,,,,,

,,,so togara u silent with the above again so why they talk tough say such propaganda as u say your above post "1 hour 45 minutes" and not carry it out even if 24 hours turkey cannot stop them yet for 5 days nobody harm turkishcypriots yet turkey invades 5 days late for what reason but to kill greek cypriots again so greek cypriots attack turkish cypriots ,,,,,,,,,,

Coup D'état: July 1974

The trigger to all the trauma of the summer of 1974 was pulled on July 15, when the Grivas circle of militants and Greek officers in Cyprus acted to murder President Makarios and install a regime led by the EOKA veteran Nicos Sampson.

The coup had profound political consequences for the island, of course, but it also reverberated through Cypriot society in manifold ways.

Here, British anthropologist Peter Loizos describes what occurred during the coup in the village he studied for many years, Argaki.

Early on that same morning when people in Argaki, and all over Cyprus, turned on their radios, they heard martial music, followed by an announcement that President Makarios was dead, that a 'revolution' was under way, that the military were in command and that a curfew had been imposed. For some, a small minority of EOKA B activists; this meant that five years of intermittent insurrection were about to be rewarded.

For the men of the coup, the first crucial act was to make sure that the socialist militants, and other core followers of Makarios, were arrested or, at the very least, disarmed.

So, the orders of the day were the curfew, road blocks, and the arrest of potential resisters for interrogation.

If the Argaki pattern was typical, one of the ground-rules seems to have been that arrests and searches in one village were made by EOKA B men from neighbouring villages, of whom, in the case of Argaki, Philia and Masari were the prominent ones. Meanwhile, key Argaki EOKA B supporters were making arrests in other villages.

The communists and socialists had been caught offguard - that, after all, is axiomatic of a coup d'etat.

One of the communist leaders in Argaki received a phone call from Polyviou, a member of an armed group supporting Makarios, who said,'Bring the leftists down to Morphou, so we can demonstrate.' He thought for a bit, but since he had received no order from the party, he refused.

Although individual communists seem to have fought alongside other Makarios supporters, the party did not appear to have mounted any mass resistance.

To start with, they had no guns, whereas the socialist militants had some, apparently as part of a semi-official agreement with Makarios under which many of them had enrolled as special constables.

The Argaki socialist group had some machine-guns but as we shall shortly see they did not manage to use them.

We must infer that those first days were marked by great tension and anxiety, each political activist maintaining a restless surveillance of certain others, to ascertain if enemies were about to make hostile moves, and if it were to be a time of killing.

The villagers soon saw who favoured the coup from the way they behaved.

Some started openly carrying machine-guns 'to support the new government' or publicly expressed their satisfaction with the way things had turned out by what they said in the coffee shops.

EOKA B supporters made themselves available to the army for the task of rounding up possible opponents and disarming them.

Some men, including at least one who had married into the village, went to enroll as policeman, to replace those police whom Sampson's henchmen were dismissing or would dismiss.

But, as we shall see, there were also certain important gestures, acts of communication across party lines, which played their own small part in shaping the reactions of Argaki people, although they were powerless to influence events in the larger arena.

One of the keenest EOKA B supporters in Argaki was a man called Kajis (a pseudonym) who in his youth had been mixed up in a gang war which had arisen when certain men near Limassol had invented a Cypriot variant of the Mafia's protection racket.

In 1968 Kajis had boasted to me that a few years earlier, when Greek and Turkish irregulars had been fighting, he had shot a Turkish shepherd; he spoke as proudly of this as an English schoolboy might have done about scoring a goal in an 'away' match.

In recent years, he had been passionately in favour of the Greek junta and Enosis.

His close friend Gigas had been murdered in 1963 and the suspect acquitted, which had probably pushed Kajis further into his oppositional outlook.

As spring turned to summer in 1974, Kajis knew that the coup was about to happen, and was given orders to stand by.

But he did not know the precise date, until 15 July:

Monday I was sleeping, and a fellow came and said 'Get up - the Revolution is on.= I got up, took the car and went to the cache.

Out came the automatics.

I'd got six machine guns, and I put them in the car and drove off to the coffee shop, leaving the guns in the car outside.

We waited and listened to the radio, different stations.

I heard Makarios was dead, so I went off to Morphou.

That afternoon, when Sampson had been sworn in, I went straight off to Nicosia.

I embraced Sampson, took some weapons, fifteen new ones, put them in the car and went on duty under our senior man at Morphou.

I took a police car and some of our lads to Morphou, and we were given orders to start arresting people.

We were to co-operate with the army, which had taken command in Morphou, to arrest the supporters of Lyssarides [the socialist leader].

Just them, not the communists.

To pick up anyone with weapons, whoever we knew about, and anyone we suspected had guns, and bring them in.

An order came to arrest some people from Argaki, and I said to them,'You must not take any of the Argaki people, OK? OK!' We followers of Grivas, the men who wanted Union, the EOKA B men.

we knew where everyone stood.

This one is left-wing; so-and-so is with Makarios: that one's with Azinas, a nationalist.

We had a file on everyone and the goods on everyone.

We had it all written down, which groupings people were with and whether they had guns or not.

In the week following the coup.

Kajis came into his own, and the way he described the events made this clear.

He was from a family which had once been wealthy, but his father, a figure of ridicule in the village, had squandered a fortune.

Kajis may have never enjoyed as much power and importance as he did for the six days of the coup. There are two themes in his account, just below the surface.

One is the banality of having overthrown the legal government of the republic, revealed in his casual throw-away 'all in a day's work' delivery.

The other is his wish to be seen as a man who was ready to get his fellow-villagers out of any political trouble.

This was further demonstrated by Kajis' account of how. during the first days of the coup, he went drinking with two 'best men' from his wedding.

One of them, my cousin Tomas, was a communist...

The other, Andrikos; had once been in the original EOKA and was a former drinking-companion of Sampson, although in recent years he had taken a government post, and had stopped murmuring against the establishment.

Yet it is only superficially surprising that these two men would sit drinking with Kajis, even so soon after the coup.

Their parties were formally opposed, but it had been long the practice in Argaki for friendships to be maintained across such obstacles, and for drinking together, in public, to be a way of expressing this intention.

The act was a piece of political ceremonial, which communicated the belief that village friendships could override and outlast national antagonisms; this prob- ably helped reduce tension and anxiety on all sides.

At this meeting Andrikos asked Kajis to take him to see Sampson.

Kajis replied that he knew what Andrikos wanted - the release of a man called Pipis, a socialist sympathiser who had been arrested because of a personal quarrel with an EOKA B supporter in his office.

He was not regarded as a man likely to bear arms. Pipis was a first cousin of Tomas, and married to Andrikos' sister.

He was also a godsibling of Kajis=. Kajis assured the other two men that he would get Pipis released.

I was able to confirm that Pipis was arrested, and released after a few hours, but cannot be sure how great a role Kajis played in this.

He had every motive to do his best, given the strength of the relevant relationships; but he also had every reason to tell me a story which put him in a very good light, in the hope that it might get back to the men involved, who might then help him in his hour of need.

Kajis had his own version of 'professional ethics', which emerged in another episode.

He claimed to have intervened on behalf of a pro-government militant called Christos (a pseudonym) who was being held in the Morphou army camp, and who had once protected him from arrest by the special reserves.

This man was thought to be the head of a small armed group, and he himself told me that when he was arrested and marched through the streets of Morphou some of the EOKA B supporters were delighted to have caught a 'big fish'.

Kajis continued:

As I came back to the Morphou camp with a load of guns, Christos called out to me:
'Hey, koumpare, I handed out guns to some people, and I'll give you a piece of paper with all their names on, and you go and get them.

''Right, koumpare, I said to him,'You know we're friends.

I'm not forcing you. You can't say I forced you.

You're giving me this paper off your own bat, right?

Then I'll go and pick the guns up.

' He gave me this little scrap of paper with nine names on it. Anyway, off we went and arrested all nine of them.

Eight of the nine handed over the guns straightaway, and so we didn't take them in.

If you handed over, you didn't have to go inside. Some Czech automatics and two Martinis. One man had nothing.

Said he was in Christos' group but hadn't been given a gun.

'But look, we've got your name down here, written down.

Now you'll be for it. Right, it's inside for you.' He got knocked about a bit, I dunno, there was a bit of blood running, we put him in the car and took him inside.

I'd got this police Landrover, and he was inside when we got back to the camp. Christos called out to me.

'Hey, koumpare', he called, 1 didn't give Andreas a gun, I forgot to tell you.

I wrote it down but I never took him one.'

I said to him,'Lucky you told me, he'd have got hurt when he went inside. There'd have been consequences.

You telling me you'd given him one and him saying he hadn't.

He'd have been hurt.'

The point of his recounting this episode was undoubtedly to show that he felt that innocent men should not be beaten up, even in a military coup; there was even a note of apology for the amount of rough treatment Kajis himself had handed this particular man 'in ignorance'. Kajis continued:

The thing that surprised me was about Gallos [a pseudonym] from our village.

I had no idea he was in a group, getting mixed up in secret organisations.

But the list said that fifteen days before the coup he'd been seen in Platres, at the house of the socialist leader, Lyssarides.

Really strange.

I said to a friend,'We said we wouldn't pick up anyone from Argaki.

so I'd better go and get him by myself.

' I went to the village and found Gallos sitting in the coffee shop.

'Come over here, brother-in-law~ I said to him. Some of his relatives were there.

I said to them,'I'm taking him somewhere and then I'll bring him back again. Don't give it a moment's thought.'

We got in the car and set off.

'Well, brother-in-law, I never thought you'd be the sort of man to join Lyssarides' group.

''You know how it is', he said,'Crystallos Tirkas kept going on at me [to join the socialists], and me, well,

I'm not really with them. Bring me a piece of paper and I'll sign it, sign that I'm with Grivas.'

I said to him,'We don't want you to do that, we simply want you to be a fighter for Greece and Enosis.

Look here, you've got a gun, give it to me. and you won't have to go inside.

I'll take you to your house, and that'll be the end of it.

Nothing will happen to you.

We don't knock people about.

We just want to get in the illegal weapons so that the army can ta~e them over.

Your group leader told me he'd given you a gun.' He started crying.

'Brother-in-law, he didn't give me one.

Crystallos had six guns and he showed us how they work, but he hung on to them.

I never saw a gun again, and never laid a finger on one.'

I took him inside, but of course nothing happened to him. I took him and showed him to the captain.'He didn't have anything'.

I told him.'He's with us'; I said, and I sent him back to the village.

Kajis also told me of another attempt he had .made to get an Argaki man released, his old drinking-companion Patroklos, who had reputedly joined the pro-Makarios forces as an undercover special constable, and was therefore a sworn enemy of EOKA B.

Kajis went to the central prison where Patroklos had been detained, but found it under the charge of a mainland Greek officer whom he didn't know, and who absolutely refused to release the prisoner.

Kajis tried very hard to persuade the officer that he himself had enrolled Patroklos in EOKA B as a double agent, so that he really should be released. But he got nowhere with this argument, which was in any case quite untrue.

Kajis said he ran the risk of being shot for his efforts, and he was anxious for it to be known how hard he had tried, for later Patroklos, who was released through the agency of another EOKA man, complained that Kajis hadn't really bothered himself, and had failed to reciprocate past favours, which was a very serious charge in the moral economy of the village.